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[HeisenbergFX4]

Series S and Series X specs and visual features via DF.

"We're going back to the Forza Motorsport 3 and 4 era, you know?" Dan Greenawalt told me during an exclusive 30-minute interview. "Like the [Xbox] 360 era of falling in love with that car, upgrading that car... But with a modern design of connecting communities and bringing people together."

"How does Forza Motorsport (2023) feel to play? Well, it feels incredible. This is the most refined, responsive, and consistent handling I have ever experienced in a racing game"

Forza Motorsport (2023) hands-on preview: A new platform to help us fall in love with cars

This is the end of Forza Motorsport as a series, and the beginning of Forza Motorsport as a platform.

www.windowscentral.com

Couple of written previews

Forza Motorsport hands-on preview: a career mode with welcome layers of strategy and risk

We went motor racing

www.techradar.com

Forza Motorsport Is Xbox's Live Service Car RPG, And That's A Great Thing

The Xbox racing sim series is transitioning to a live service model, and after getting hands on with the game, my excitement for Forza Motorsport has been restored.

www.gamespot.com

Forza Motorsport has the potential to be this generation’s best racer | VGC

Full impressions from Microsoft’s latest preview version…

www.videogameschronicle.com

 

[Ozriel]

Haven’t had time to watch the videos, just focused on the written ones. All quite positive indeed.

Turn 10 seems to have spent the time on improvements to the driving, drivatars, progression system and multiplayer. They also seem confident they’ve strengthened the pipeline to push content updates out at a decent clip.

I’ll confess I’m more Horizon than Motorsport, but all of this sounds really good!

 

[adamsapple]

Shaping up pretty nicely.

I just hope the career progression is interesting enough to keep me hooked. Normally I drop track-based sim racing games very quick.

 

[dem]

You could tell me this was the last gen Forza and I'd believe you.

Car games..

 

[LostDonkey]

In reply to those who questioned my disappointment at a 30fps option before the other thread was closed. No I did not expect miracles, or the series X to be able to perform full RT at a locked 4K 60fps. I know what the box is capable of.

My point is somewhere along the development path, 30FPS was made a consideration, which means the team's usual laser focus on 60fps was compromised.

The physics for one will have been compromised to allow that 30fps option, the usual base line of 60fps uncompromising is now not there and all systems now have to be built around this base 30fps option. I believe this will have effected the games feel rather than it have been a non moveable 60fps like previous Forza games recently.

I guess more previews from proper SIM racers like Super GT will be more of a telling story

 

[cormack12]

I was looking forward to this. It looks great but the cars seem a little detached or something when he's nudging left/right - like it's not directly on the road? Is it just me?

 

[Senua]

Physics improvements seem great. Graphics range from awesome to decent depending on time of day it seems but ofc this is just Xbox footage. The whole parts being unlocked as you level up the car shit is so lame though and goes against the freedom aspect they were pushing with "builders cup" single player

 

[Riky]

Looks like they delivered on the advancements in AI and physics as well as real time time of day and weather.
As well as the much doubted in gameplay RT.
Finally seeing what the Series X can do.

 

[Negotiator101]

Last but not least the Forza monthly from today

looking very impressive indeed.

 

[Negotiator101]

I was looking forward to this. It looks great but the cars seem a little detached or something when he's nudging left/right - like it's not directly on the road? Is it just me?

I thought the car reacts realistically with the track to my eyes anyway.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

From what I've heard, it sounds like the visuals is really inconsistent. Some looks great. Some are the old models from previous forza games.
I also heard you need to grind each car to upgrade it, aka you can only upgrade the car you drive. And that each car will take hours and hours to fully upgrade.

 

[Ozriel]

In reply to those who questioned my disappointment at a 30fps option before the other thread was closed. No I did not expect miracles, or the series X to be able to perform full RT at a locked 4K 60fps. I know what the box is capable of.

My point is somewhere along the development path, 30FPS was made a consideration, which means the team's usual laser focus on 60fps was compromised.

The physics for one will have been compromised to allow that 30fps option, the usual base line of 60fps uncompromising is now not there and all systems now have to be built around this base 30fps option. I believe this will have effected the games feel rather than it have been a non moveable 60fps like previous Forza games recently.

I guess more previews from proper SIM racers like Super GT will be more of a telling story

seems very clear that 60fps is the baseline. It’s locked 60fps on even the Series S and Turn 10 take pride in churning out their games with rock solid performance.

Turn 10 has also stated multiple times that the Physics in the game runs at a 360 hz refresh rate.

Having a 30fps visuals mode doesn’t mean they’d compromise on the two performance modes. That’s not really how this works.

 

[Riky]

"We're going back to the Forza Motorsport 3 and 4 era, you know?" Dan Greenawalt told me during an exclusive 30-minute interview. "Like the [Xbox] 360 era of falling in love with that car, upgrading that car... But with a modern design of connecting communities and bringing people together."

"How does Forza Motorsport (2023) feel to play? Well, it feels incredible. This is the most refined, responsive, and consistent handling I have ever experienced in a racing game"

Forza Motorsport (2023) hands-on preview: A new platform to help us fall in love with cars

This is the end of Forza Motorsport as a series, and the beginning of Forza Motorsport as a platform.

www.windowscentral.com

 

[LostDonkey]

seems very clear that 60fps is the baseline. It’s locked 60fps on even the Series S and Turn 10 take pride in churning out their games with rock solid performance.

Turn 10 has also stated multiple times that the Physics in the game runs at a 360 hz refresh rate.

Having a 30fps visuals mode doesn’t mean they’d compromise on the two performance modes. That’s not really how this works.

I'll wait for more thorough SIM racers thoughts. I hope you're right, although all the wheel footage I've watched so far seems like there is definitely a lag between the user and what is happening on screen.

 

[Negotiator101]

From what I've heard, it sounds like the visuals is really inconsistent. Some looks great. Some are the old models from previous forza games.

Trust your eyes my friend, it looks stunning.

 

[Senua]

"We're going back to the Forza Motorsport 3 and 4 era, you know?" Dan Greenawalt told me during an exclusive 30-minute interview. "Like the [Xbox] 360 era of falling in love with that car, upgrading that car... [/URL]

Yea, but this time it's worse! You can't just install a diff right away if you want some adjustment, you have to race the car a bunch with wank handling to unlock it, just very weird. They always add these limitations, first homologation now this shite. Maybe I won't hate it but it sounds shite to me

 

[twilo99]

We got another 4/10 incoming

 

[DeepEnigma]

I also heard you need to grind each car to upgrade it, aka you can only upgrade the car you drive. And that each car will take hours and hours to fully upgrade.

Yea, but this time it's worse! You can't just install a diff right away if you want some adjustment, you have to race the car a bunch with wank handling to unlock it, just very weird. They always add these limitations, first homologation now this shite. Maybe I won't hate it but it sounds shite to me

 

[Riky]

The three modes, looks like 60fps with Ray Tracing for me.

 

[Turk1993]

Some gifs from RT performance mode with RT reflections and SSGI.

Can't wait to see the pc version maxed, this gonna look amazing.

 

[Riky]

FOV settings on console.

 

[feynoob]

I wonder how the gameplay looks like.
Hopefully it can attract my attention.
FH5 was dull for me.

 

[Negotiator101]

The three modes, looks like 60fps with Ray Tracing for me.

Interesting they went with 30fps on the visuals mode, given they have 2 60fps modes it's nice to have a maxed out 30fps mode.

 

[Three]

In reply to those who questioned my disappointment at a 30fps option before the other thread was closed. No I did not expect miracles, or the series X to be able to perform full RT at a locked 4K 60fps. I know what the box is capable of.

My point is somewhere along the development path, 30FPS was made a consideration, which means the team's usual laser focus on 60fps was compromised.

The physics for one will have been compromised to allow that 30fps option, the usual base line of 60fps uncompromising is now not there and all systems now have to be built around this base 30fps option. I believe this will have effected the games feel rather than it have been a non moveable 60fps like previous Forza games recently.

I guess more previews from proper SIM racers like Super GT will be more of a telling story

I'm more wondering how they can justify a 30fps mode when they apparently limit PC framerate to 60fps in the name of fairness. Would that mean 30fps mode doesn't work online? Wasn't it also because their Forza engine is bugged and higher framerate players post faster times. Who would use the 30fps mode in that case?

 

[Negotiator101]

Some gifs from RT performance mode with RT reflections and SSGI.

Can't wait to see the pc version maxed, this gonna look amazing.

That's looks very impressive, PC is going to be insane.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm more wondering how they can justify a 30fps mode when they apparently limit PC framerate to 60fps in the name of fairness. Would that mean 30fps mode doesn't work online? Wasn't it also because their Forza engine is bugged and higher framerate players post faster times. Who would use the 30fps mode in that case?

Screenshot mode

 

[calistan]

So many philistines playing a racing sim in third person view...

If only they'd give the PC version some VR support, I'd be all over that.

 

[Turk1993]

I'm more wondering how they can justify a 30fps mode when they apparently limit PC framerate to 60fps in the name of fairness. Would that mean 30fps mode doesn't work online? Wasn't it also because their Forza engine is bugged and higher framerate players post faster times. Who would use the 30fps mode in that case?

graphics whores who can't afford a high end pc and people that like to see some nice graphics. Still doesn't justify there multiplayer fps lock tho.

 

[Negotiator101]

I'm more wondering how they can justify a 30fps mode when they apparently limit PC framerate to 60fps in the name of fairness. Would that mean 30fps mode doesn't work online? Wasn't it also because their Forza engine is bugged and higher framerate players post faster times. Who would use the 30fps mode in that case?

I imagine it's only campaign.

 

[LostDonkey]

I'm more wondering how they can justify a 30fps mode when they apparently limit PC framerate to 60fps in the name of fairness. Would that mean 30fps mode doesn't work online? Wasn't it also because their Forza engine is bugged and higher framerate players post faster times. Who would use the 30fps mode in that case?

Thanking, someone at least knows what I mean

I was going to mention the online factor. Are they going to separate lobbies for thos who wish to play at 30fps Vs 60FPS because we know from years of experience that faster lap times are achieved with faster frame rate.

This has opened a whole can of worms for me now.

 

[adamsapple]

FOV settings on console.

Oh that's pretty nice.

Making FoV very large may impact performance but the option is cool.

The three modes, looks like 60fps with Ray Tracing for me.

Probably Performance RT mode for me as well.

 

[Bloobs]

Looks a bit washed no? Hope you can manually turn lights on/off because certain tracks had tunnels where you couldnt see shit in previous games.

 

[Ozriel]

Thanking, someone at least knows what I mean

I was going to mention the online factor. Are they going to separate lobbies for thos who wish to play at 30fps Vs 60FPS because we know from years of experience that faster lap times are achieved with faster frame rate.

This has opened a whole can of worms for me now.

He’s saying something completely different from what you said, and it’s unlikely you’d be able to take the 30fps mode into multiplayer anyway.

 

[Elysium44]

Do we know if they improved replays yet from previous games? GT7 is the gold standard for having real TV-like replays, Forza's have always been more floaty and switches to the interior / bumper view too much for my liking.

 

[Mr Moose]

I'll wait for release to see how good it looks, but so far it's looking pretty good judging from the Honda video. Hopefully they can sort out the shadow pop-in.
Edit: What is X to rewind?

The three modes, looks like 60fps with Ray Tracing for me.

I think Series consoles are going to be more than happy, 4k 60fps with RT reflections in game, other games couldn't manage that in replay modes.
It's good they let people with powerful PCs use the hardware they invested in fully.
Everybody wins.

12.15 tflops I think is the correct figure. Translates to 4k 60fps with on track RT in Forza Motorsport.

 

[sinnergy]

Om

Some gifs from RT performance mode with RT reflections and SSGI.

Can't wait to see the pc version maxed, this gonna look amazing.

Does series X have SSGI though ?

 

[Turk1993]

Om
Does series X have SSGI though ?

This is Series X running in performance RT mode with SSGI.

 

[adamsapple]

Edit: What is X to rewind?

The Forza games can let you rewind a certain limit like the Prince of Persia games.

This is Series X running in performance RT mode with SSGI.

Oh shit, I thought SSGI was only in Garage mode, or PC ?

They got that on console in-game too ? Nice.

 

[Riky]

 

[Turk1993]

The Forza games can let you rewind a certain limit like the Prince of Persia games.




Oh shit, I thought SSGI was only in Garage mode, or PC ?

They got that on console in-game too ? Nice.

Its not the RTGI that the pc version will get, its screen space global illimunation.

 

[adamsapple]

Its not the RTGI that the pc version will get, its screen space global illimunation.

Ah, RTGI vs SSGI. Gotcha.

 

[sinnergy]

Its not the RTGI that the pc version will get, its screen space global illimunation.

I find it amazing that it has a form of GI at 60 frames .

 

[sinnergy]

But what RT, only reflections ? Or also shadows ?

 

[Riky]

But what RT, only reflections ? Or also shadows ?

Reflections, that's what they always said on console. Which is still a big deal for a console racing game in gameplay at 60fps.

 

[M1chl]

To me this peaked with FM4 and it was downhill from there, not sure if they will be able to capture magic of that game

 

[Insane Metal]

Lighting and environments seem below GT7's but there's RT, so maybe that's why

Sound is excellent as usual

 

[kirby007]

why the fuck are we allways getting the type r , just gimme the normal car so you can build a sleeper

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[NeverYouMind]

From what I've heard, it sounds like the visuals is really inconsistent. Some looks great. Some are the old models from previous forza games.
I also heard you need to grind each car to upgrade it, aka you can only upgrade the car you drive. And that each car will take hours and hours to fully upgrade.

Do they mean that it is expensive or that it is locked by a leveling system on every individual car? If it is the latter... that is insane!

P.S. It is the latter, hype deflated.

 

[sncvsrtoip]