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[WinFonda]

I'm not defending shit aside from the asinine idea that super scary black furniture assault weapons which are the the minority of gun deaths by comparison to handguns need to be banned.

They don't.

Alright dude, well you keep on defending that scary black furniture... that can store 30, 50, or even 100 rounds of life ending ammunition.

Jesus it's almost like you don't even understand that guns at their most base are designed to kill, and comparing it to an inert object that one sits on is completely irresponsible.

And sir, let me be the first to warn you... don't go sitting on your AR.

I slightly misread, but the point is still valid. It's not just "decor". It's physically capable of being more lethal than a handgun.

 

[Rudelord]

Alright dude, well you keep on defending that scary black furniture... that can store 30, 50, or even 100 rounds of life ending ammunition.

Jesus it's almost like you don't even understand that guns at their most base are designed to kill, and comparing it to an inert object that one sits on is completely irresponsible.

And sir, let me be the first to warn you... don't go sitting on your AR.

I don't own an AR. I own a semi-auto rifle that just so happens to be able to take a 30 round magazine if I had the desire to load one in. I use it to kill coyotes, raccoons, and other unsavory vermin that make their way onto my property. I'm well aware that the sole intent is killing with a gun - and I treat it with the utmost respect when I use it.

Where the hell did you get the idea I'm comparing a gun to a chair? 'Furniture' is just another name for the stock, butt of the gun, etc.

As for the '30, 50, 100 rounds' quip, https://www.classicfirearms.com/gl9mm50dr

As I said before, 'high capacity life ending ammunition' is not limited to a rifle.

 

[WinFonda]

I don't own an AR. I own a semi-auto rifle that just so happens to be able to take a 30 round magazine if I had the desire to load one in. I use it to kill coyotes, raccoons, and other unsavory vermin that make their way onto my property. I'm well aware that the sole intent is killing with a gun - and I treat it with the utmost respect when I use it.

Where the hell did you get the idea I'm comparing a gun to a chair? 'Furniture' is just another name for the stock, butt of the gun, etc.

As for the '30, 50, 100 rounds' quip, https://www.classicfirearms.com/gl9mm50dr

As I said before, 'high capacity life ending ammunition' is not limited to a rifle.

Yeah, apparently you're either purposely obtuse or unable to understand that the AR-15 is capable of holding more ammunition than a handgun. Since you're eager to tell me that high capacity mags aren't exclusive, but also refuse to acknowledge they're more effective on a rifle; I'm going with the former. The AR-15 is capable of housing more ammo, it's that simple. And I'm against all high capacity attachments period. But you will just continue dancing around it as though it's not a problem or an issue, so I'm done here.

Good luck with them unsavory varmins eatin your garden vegetables.

 

[HyperionX]

We should ban all semi-auto weapons and all weapons that can use a magazine, in both rifle and handgun form. That will solve most of the problem.

 

[Joel Was Right]

https://twitter.com/GretchenCarlson

 

[Escalation]

Oh, the one Jon Stewart mocked as a dog following the latest distraction. Interesting.

 

[Rudelord]

snark

Considering coyotes have taken a neighborhood cat (the only thing they found was her chewed up paws), I'm not doing it out of love for vegetables.

The only one being obtuse here is you unless you think 50 bullets is not equivalent to 50 bullets. Either one will seriously maim or kill a human.

 

[Link]

Probably because the ban would do absolutely nothing to stop violence, as shown by state department reports on the previous ban. But by all means, let's waste our time with feel-good legislation while ignoring proposals that would actually make a difference, such as mandatory gun licensing or safety course requirements.

You know it doesn't have to be either-or, right? In fact, I'd bet the proposals you mentioned would absolutely be included with any bill they draft.

 

[davepoobond]

im really amazed bill oreilly and this lady came around on supporting a ban on assault weapons.

handguns and shotguns just need better safety features, but i dont think there'll ever be support to ban those

 

[gabbo]

This has to have some kind of spin to it. Like "how can we blame Obama for not doing something about it quicker" style spin. I just can't see her or O'Reilly being in support of this, even after Orlando

 

[cpp_is_king]

A guy on my Facebook who is a hardcore gun nut, like his blood is probably made out of gunpowder and almost everything he posts has to do with the second amendment and guns in some way or another, recently posted a link to this video and said "Man, hate to say it because I love my guns, but this is truth". (PS: watch the video, it's both true and pretty fucking funny)

It's about time more and more people are owning up to the fact that the protection argument is bullshit.

 

[Aaron Strife]

im really amazed bill oreilly and this lady came around on supporting a ban on assault weapons.

handguns and shotguns just need better safety features, but i dont think there'll ever be support to ban those

Now it'd be nice if some actual fucking congresspeople would get behind it.

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

Now it'd be nice if some actual fucking congresspeople would get behind it.

Election year, nothing will change

 

[Roarak]

Yeah, apparently you're either purposely obtuse or unable to understand that the AR-15 is capable of holding more ammunition than a handgun. Since you're eager to tell me that high capacity mags aren't exclusive, but also refuse to acknowledge they're more effective on a rifle; I'm going with the former. The AR-15 is capable of housing more ammo, it's that simple. And I'm against all high capacity attachments period. But you will just continue dancing around it as though it's not a problem or an issue, so I'm done here.

Good luck with them unsavory varmins eatin your garden vegetables.

He is absolutely correct. You can buy a Glock mag that holds just as many rounds as the highest capacity AR mags available.

Reasons like this are why gun owners really don't like proposed legislation attempting to ban certain types of firearms. Fully automatic weapons are already highly illegal. Everything else results in attempts to ban what are essentially cosmetic differences. Many states have 10 round magazine limits already. What is the difference between 3 10 round mags and 1 30 round mag? About a second and a half of reloading time.

Ppl that understand firearms understand that bans like that are really not going to have much impact.

Better background checks, training and safety and waiting periods are types of gun control that could actually make a difference in stopping gun crimes without negatively impacting and stripping rights from responsible gun owners.

 

[Kaiterra]

A guy on my Facebook who is a hardcore gun nut, like his blood is probably made out of gunpowder and almost everything he posts has to do with the second amendment and guns in some way or another, recently posted a link to this video and said "Man, hate to say it because I love my guns, but this is truth". (PS: watch the video, it's both true and pretty fucking funny)

It's about time more and more people are owning up to the fact that the protection argument is bullshit.

Ah I fuckin' love Jim Jeffries.

And how come this big revelation from some Conservative talking heads just happens to be in favor of a bullshit piece of junk legislation that does nothing but make a nice hood ornament? Why not muster that support behind gun safety and control measures that'd actually make a difference?

 

[rokkerkory]

Wow nice of her. Agreed

 

[antonz]

Ah I fuckin' love Jim Jeffries.

And how come this big revelation from some Conservative talking heads just happens to be in favor of a bullshit piece of junk legislation that does nothing but make a nice hood ornament? Why not muster that support behind gun safety and control measures that'd actually make a difference?

That is going to be the NRA's new method of attack. They will "compromise" on a new Assault Weapons Ban which will accomplish nothing. backs will be patted and Tens of thousands will continue to die yearly.

Became very apparent when Bill right at the end of his spiel immediately said not hand guns of course.

 

[bonesmccoy]

I think as a potential meeting point for Americans this could end up being a useful 'wedge issue' to legislate for. Normalize the idea that gun laws can be re-examined.

 

[Toparaman]

Good on O'Reilly. Maybe there's hope for change.

 

[Burai]

Considering coyotes have taken a neighborhood cat (the only thing they found was her chewed up paws), I'm not doing it out of love for vegetables.

The only one being obtuse here is you unless you think 50 bullets is not equivalent to 50 bullets. Either one will seriously maim or kill a human.

I'm sure the families of the victims of last weekend's shooting can find some solace in the safety of your neighbourhood's pets.

 

[ApharmdX]

https://twitter.com/GretchenCarlson

Wow she's warring with people in her party, hard.

 

[Loxley]

Bill O'Reilly said on Colbert that he thinks banning assault weapons along the lines of what Australia did is something to look into as well.

*edit - Woops, beaten horribly

 

[EatinOlives]

There need to be stricter gun laws across the board, not just AR-15s. As other people have said any kind of gun, not just the "scary looking ones", can be used as a deadly weapon and often are the ones involved in more accidents since they're more compact and easy to carry (and accidentally discharge).

I can only hope that Bill and Carlson have their hearts in the right place instead of disingenuously trying to steer the conversation toward incredibly specific gun types, because going on a huge "restrict AR-15s" crusade isn't going to change things in the long run.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

I'm not defending shit aside from the asinine idea that super scary black furniture assault weapons which are the the minority of gun deaths by comparison to handguns need to be banned.

Just curious, what percentage of massacres involve them?

 

[Vicetrailia]

Assaults are worth banning for potential threat alone.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Jim Jefferies only has to speak some common sense and people think he's fucking hilarious. This is what scares me the most.

Holy shit even Bill O'Reilly (sort of) gets it.

 

[The Beard]

What is it that makes these AR's so much more dangerous than a handgun? They're both semi-auto's. They both shoot a similar caliber round, if not bigger for the handgun. Is it magazine size? Can't you get an equal size magazine for a handgun?

 

[| Praxis |]

Considering coyotes have taken a neighborhood cat (the only thing they found was her chewed up paws), I'm not doing it out of love for vegetables.

The only one being obtuse here is you unless you think 50 bullets is not equivalent to 50 bullets. Either one will seriously maim or kill a human.

Shit, I better start shooting cars. They killed my cat!

 

[Rudelord]

Shit, I better start shooting cars. They killed my cat!

One of these things is not like the other, but you knew this already while typing it out.

Just curious, what percentage of massacres involve them?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/mass-shootings-in-america/

What is it that makes these AR's so much more dangerous than a handgun? They're both semi-auto's. They both shoot a similar caliber round, if not bigger for the handgun. Is it magazine size? Can't you get an equal size magazine for a handgun?

An AR is more effective at longer ranges than a pistol can ever claim to be. Wounding and killing ability depends on the loaded ammo type, however.

 

[BLACKLAC]

I don't trust it. They will change their opinions in due time if they were serious in the first place.

 

[Stinkles]

What is it that makes these AR's so much more dangerous than a handgun? They're both semi-auto's. They both shoot a similar caliber round, if not bigger for the handgun. Is it magazine size? Can't you get an equal size magazine for a handgun?

Rifling for one. A spiral pattern in an extended barrel that spins the round making it fly straighter and with more energy. Barrel length for another and despite your statement, ammunition type, material and caliber. But most importantly of all, ammunition capacity.

 

[heyf00L]

Rifling for one. A spiral pattern in an extended barrel that spins the round making it fly straighter and with more energy. Barrel length for another and despite your statement, ammunition type, material and caliber. But most importantly of all, ammunition capacity.

Also, handguns are hard to aim and rifles are easy.

 

[Tecnniqe]

You know, it's harder to legally drive a car in America than own a gun of any kind.

There have been numerous attempts at getting laws passed to make it harder to purchase AR style guns but wild NRA money appears.

Also a AR-15 even full auto is easier to handle than a handgun like the glock imo.

 

[| Praxis |]

One of these things is not like the other, but you knew this already while typing it out.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/mass-shootings-in-america/



An AR is more effective at longer ranges than a pistol can ever claim to be. Wounding and killing ability depends on the loaded ammo type, however.

I just find your mentality dumb, you're literally taking revenge on nature. Unless you kill every coyote in your area, which is doubtful, you aren't achieving anything but your own need to take revenge.

My dog was bitten and nearly killed by a snake, I'm not going to go out bashing every one I see from now on, that just comes with the territory.

 

[Rudelord]

I just find your mentality dumb, you're literally taking revenge on nature. Unless you kill every coyote in your area, which is doubtful, you aren't achieving anything but your own need to take revenge.

My dog was bitten and nearly killed by a snake, I'm not going to go out bashing every one I see from now on, that just comes with the territory.

...I'm not doing it out of revenge, it's called culling the population and letting them know it's dangerous to be around humans.

I have lot of little kids in my neighborhood. I'd rather not have a ballsy coyote try to run off with one of them instead of a cat. They're a serious problem because they don't really have natural predator, and right now they don't have any fear of humans because they've lived so close.

 

[Future]

There need to be stricter gun laws across the board, not just AR-15s. As other people have said any kind of gun, not just the "scary looking ones", can be used as a deadly weapon and often are the ones involved in more accidents since they're more compact and easy to carry (and accidentally discharge).

I can only hope that Bill and Carlson have their hearts in the right place instead of disingenuously trying to steer the conversation toward incredibly specific gun types, because going on a huge "restrict AR-15s" crusade isn't going to change things in the long run.

You gotta smart somewhere though. Even if the ban isn't a perfect one, its a start. People have to get off the "but its not going to 100% fix the problem so we shouldn't bother" mantra

People need to get used to the idea that some guns will start getting restricted heavily. Eventually the ban will expand to others and ammo types as necessary (which I will admit is the slippery slope the NRA and gun advocates are rightfully afraid of, and usually the real reason they are against any type of restrictions whatsoever)

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Rifling for one. A spiral pattern in an extended barrel that spins the round making it fly straighter and with more energy. Barrel length for another and despite your statement, ammunition type, material and caliber. But most importantly of all, ammunition capacity.

Pistols have rifling. The reason rifles are more potent shot for shot is because they have a shitload more gunpowder + heavier bullets. Longer barrel is mainly about accuracy, although it also allows more complete powder burns and thus higher muzzle velocity. Extremely short barreled rifle variants are still rolling with far higher muzzle velocities than pistols off.

The advantage of concealability starts overtaking the advantage accuracy and penetration for many crimes though.

 

[televator]

Damn. Hell froze over. Glad she's on the right side for once.

 

[Odrion]

"Well shit, this is getting bad. Let's throw this feelgood bone at em."

 

[Javaman]

Around $1,000. The one I'm looking at is around $1,700. Not sure if I'll pull the trigger yet, unless prices start rising again.

You get massive dimishing returns on the performance once you get over 1k. Most of that higher end stuff is just marketing and barbie dress up for men. You can build an amazing one for just under a grand and put the money where it matters. (Barrell, bolt, and to a lesser extent upper).

 

[Javaman]

Again, we're going to need a lot more data to do anything about handguns. Also, we're going to need better solutions too, to be honest. There are over 115 million handguns owned in the US (according to ATF in 2009, so it's going to be a bit higher now). You aren't going to get even half of those back, even with a buyback program (that would require a ton of money as well).

Assault weapons are responsible for mass shootings more often, and those are easier to target with legislation. We have the data for this now, and it's more widely accepted. Never let perfect be the enemy of good.

IIRC there are over 300 million guns total of all types, more than the entire population of the usa.

 

[Lightning Count]

Guess she will be looking for a new job quite soon.

 

[PillarEN]

Well snap. When Bill O'reilly is asking for some gun law changes that's quite a moment.

 

[Einchy]

I'm so confused at what is making Fox News change their opinion now.

A bunch of white children are murdered and they give no fucks but a lot of Latino gays die and now they care? You'd figure they would care even less but maybe it's because this time it was a Muslim who was able to legally buy a gun, who knows. The cynic in me al oust thought that a lot of people would care less because of who died but it seems like that's not the case.

I guess at the end of the day it doesn't really matter as long as long as people see that things can't continue the way they're going.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Even Bill?

Maybe the GOP is starting to come around to a compromise for assault weapons in order to preserve rights for handguns? And provided instructions to their media arm to start softening the masses up for this idea

 

[TheBowen]

The fact that bill o truly came out in support of some new legislation is fucking huge.

 

[kirblar]

Even Bill?

Maybe the GOP is starting to come around to a compromise for assault weapons in order to preserve rights for handguns? And provided instructions to their media arm to start softening the masses up for this idea

Rupert Murdoch's Australian.

 

[Codeblue]

Even Bill?

Maybe the GOP is starting to come around to a compromise for assault weapons in order to preserve rights for handguns? And provided instructions to their media arm to start softening the masses up for this idea

The idea that this is a calculated sacrificial lamb and not an earnest response to 50 people being murdered simultaneously is really depressing.

 

[Spuck-uk]

Really don't understand why you don't ban handguns in the US. We did it in the UK 20 years ago after a school shooting, haven't had a mass shooting since.

Do people still think that some miraculous bystander with a handgun has ever stopped an incident like this?

 

[Maledict]

Really don't understand why you don't ban handguns in the US. We did it in the UK 20 years ago after a school shooting, haven't had a mass shooting since.

Do people still think that some miraculous bystander with a handgun has ever stopped an incident like this?

Even worse, there was a armed security in Pulse during the shooting. The idea that the heroic lone gunman can save the day just isn't borne out by reality, and time and time again the notion that the only thing that can stop guns is more guns is shown to be false.