IHaveCandy
Banned
It's not. Removing 4 GB would leave at most 3.5 for games. Also, this would certainly change with time, just like the PS3.
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FRIDAYTON MK II: 5.5 million bears and salmon create unholy allliance to sack SONY HQ
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davidbloop
Member
If only you could actually put the Kinect in your back pocket and still play games on the Xbox One.
Wouldn't it be better instead of going into Rage mode and throw chairs and tables around We just wait until this is either confirmed true or another tail from my ass?
I know tensions and emotions run high on threads like these and i do not expect that to change .but some sense of rationality would be welcome .
I know tensions and emotions run high on threads like these and i do not expect that to change .but some sense of rationality would be welcome .
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
If someone from the Sony camp said that then they are foolish. If someone thinks that there using that as a bullet point on a list is good then I scoff at it. Good things 7GB was never official so some are immediately discredited on that front.
SEGAvangelist
Member
I would hope so, if it is bullshit.
SirIgbyCeaser
Banned
If this Is true I'm buying 50 ps4's for gaffers. 
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MeisaMcCaffrey
They have to keep their R&D in check and put them on tech that can actually be beneficial to the company. Just because they use off-the-shelf parts doesn't mean that's the only thing they do. It depends on their business model. Sony lost a lot of money with the PS3 and considering the amount they invested in the Cell technology, do you really think they can do that again with the PS4? It suited their business model then and they thought it would be advantageous for their company, but they clearly don't think that way now and find it unnecessary to invest so much on an unproven tech. You really need to learn how business works before posting things like this.
MMaRsu
Member
Eurogamer and DF have been wrong lately about various tech aspects.
The plot thickens.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
I hope nobody actually believes this. Obviously the OS was only gonna get 1 GB or so, at most, reserved back when the console only had 4 GB of RAM.
la flama blanca
Banned
put me on the list!If this Is true I'm buying 50 ps4's for gaffers.
Bigmac1910
Member
Of course one can, just seems weird that Sony would do this after the developers asked for more RAM, but who knows maybe they only wanted more RAM for the OS and the games are fine.
Playing it safe? Reserving that much space for the OS is far past that point, I think.
Wishmaster92
Member
Yeah i don't get this either, didn't Guerilla say that before the memory boost the game was uning 3.5gb/4gb with 512 reserved for the os?
Always-honest
Banned
Well, i do like a good snappy multitasking capable OS.
Still... 3.5 GB
childplease
Banned
Gafs reaction.
Xbox one requires 3 gigs "ooooo wtf why" "lol get stuck with inferior graphics"
ps4 requires 3 gigs " 5 gigs is more than enough" " 5 gigs should be enough early on"
Xbox one requires 3 gigs "ooooo wtf why" "lol get stuck with inferior graphics"
ps4 requires 3 gigs " 5 gigs is more than enough" " 5 gigs should be enough early on"
Ragnarsson
Member
Guys, I don't even know what is going on, but I'm freaking out already and cancelling my
pre-order! As a gamer, I feel offended by this absolutely
confirmed news!
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SEGAvangelist
Member
Was thinking of these posts from the thread yesterday myself.
Its 4.5GB only for gaming. So 44% for bs... lol just fucking terrible.
FunkyPajamas
Member
Smokey only has a point if the same people going into Xbox One threads to diss Microsoft for the 3GB OS are now saying they don't care about it for PS4/they think it's a good idea.
These types of sweeping statements without actual backup are (as far as I know) frowned upon as poor arguments.
I really think 2.5/3.5 GB is WAY too much for an OS. 1GB should be more than enough. And if the news turns out to be right, I will be a bit (more like 3GBytes amirite?) disappointed.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Nah, 50 guys have to share one PS4.
shinra-bansho
Member
Reserving an equivalent may make sense, reserving more than equivalent to be largely idle is odd, especially considering Microsoft is likely actually using the RAM they're reserving with Windows kernel, Kinect and their live TV snapping stuff blablabla at launch.
There's an extent to which the idea of them being "head to head competition" and therefore needing to emulate each other is true. But the same argument is used when people proposed Microsoft was secretly upclocking and changing memory subsystems to match the PS4's hardware power.
They both set out independently with visions for their systems.
Microsoft set out with a plan in mind for a system needing a lot of RAM, so went with DDR3 and ESRAM, had less space for compute units blablablah. They aren't going to suddenly throw those plans out the window because of the PS4 reveal.
Sony set out designing a system with developer input that they thought would be a good games machine, and could also serve other functionality. But they didn't set out with the idea that they would reserve huge amounts of RAM for OS function. Had GDDR5 densities not increased, we would presumably be seeing a PS4 with 4GB RAM. There hasn't been any indication they've suddenly changed their product vision in a reactionary manner.
Is it plausible that given the now increased total RAM they increased reservations for OS function by some degree? Sure. But one can't help but greet this information, that they've increased it by as much as 7x and to more than the XB1's, with huge amounts of skepticism.
Captain Tuttle
Member
I'm not going to quote it but that reverse Cerny .gif is the greatest thing I've seen all week.
If Digital Foundry is wrong again, that makes three things where they failed their readers in one month. That's pretty shoddy for place that is talking about one of the few things in gaming that are objective: tech analysis.
djplaeskool
Member
Yes.
Welp, the PS4 was doomed from the start and finally there is irrefutable proof of that. 5.5GB GDDR5 is some weaksauce baby shit, and that's down from 8GB which isn't great in the first place. There's absolutely no way they can recover from this bombshell. Stick a fork in it fellas, it's done.
Might I suggest switching your pre-orders to the Xbox One? The sweet, sexy Microsoft exclusive cloud will provide all the magical internet RAM your little heart desires.
Might I suggest switching your pre-orders to the Xbox One? The sweet, sexy Microsoft exclusive cloud will provide all the magical internet RAM your little heart desires.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
That number could be true but not final. It's all speculation right now.
As some have said, if DF/EG miss on this then I will have a hard time believing how they spin in the future.
I'd like them pointed out. Laughing at 3GB for OS use is a joke anyways. I don't think having 3 on Xbone was a bad idea but some around here would probably think so without thought.
statham
Member
maybe, you should dig through post history and see what else he said.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
It makes no sense to throw that kind of ram at something that can't even utilize the bandwidth. I highly doubt the validity of this article.
You're on.If this Is true I'm buying 50 ps4's for gaffers.
Always-honest
Banned
GAF?
DeadlyVirus
Member
Well, Digital Foundry already got a lot of flak for the whole "PS4 only records 7 min of gameplay" this week.
Just like in that case, they really have nothing to back this up. The KZ3 slides were realitive to the Feburary build, which was developed for a 4GB of RAM system in mind. That does not prove anything that the article says.
Also, in the first line of the articles says that one source heard 4.5GB os avaiable RAM, and another source heard 5.5GB. They are just throwing stuff out to see what sticks, or their sources are bad sources.
Since DF already had a bad experience this week, take this news as real as you want
Edit: Also, MS has released no documentation on the avaiable RAM for developers, so what it will really use is anybodys guess. They saying one thing, and could be another
Just like in that case, they really have nothing to back this up. The KZ3 slides were realitive to the Feburary build, which was developed for a 4GB of RAM system in mind. That does not prove anything that the article says.
Also, in the first line of the articles says that one source heard 4.5GB os avaiable RAM, and another source heard 5.5GB. They are just throwing stuff out to see what sticks, or their sources are bad sources.
Since DF already had a bad experience this week, take this news as real as you want
Edit: Also, MS has released no documentation on the avaiable RAM for developers, so what it will really use is anybodys guess. They saying one thing, and could be another
Wow the neogaf kiddies love to throw their toys out of the pram don't they?
To those upset by this, what exactly do you think is happening here? Do you think Sony is planning to steal the RAM to beef up their execs personal PCs via the cloud? Because it is obvious that you do not believe this will make the PS4 better in anyway, so why do you think Sony did it?
There are some simple truths here that people are forgetting:
4.5GB of RAM is still HUGE for a console. Take a look at games like The Last of Us on PS3 to see what can be done with a small fraction of a GB.
Multitasking takes RAM. If you want stuff actually happening in the background then programs need to be running that take RAM. There is no way around it.
And the biggest point that everyone seems to miss is that once you let a single game use X amount of RAM then the OS can never have that RAM back. But like we saw this generation with the PS3, Sony can give it back from the OS. I am sure they will launch with a buffer to keep their options open, see what works, what gamers want (because such a large amount of RAM allows this luxury), then decide what they can axe/add optimise and eventually either reduce the OS footprint or add amazing things.. Games will still look amazing with 5GB, except now they look amazing whilst not limiting future OS options.
It is the smart thing to do. Not that you would know it from the reaction.
To those upset by this, what exactly do you think is happening here? Do you think Sony is planning to steal the RAM to beef up their execs personal PCs via the cloud? Because it is obvious that you do not believe this will make the PS4 better in anyway, so why do you think Sony did it?
There are some simple truths here that people are forgetting:
4.5GB of RAM is still HUGE for a console. Take a look at games like The Last of Us on PS3 to see what can be done with a small fraction of a GB.
Multitasking takes RAM. If you want stuff actually happening in the background then programs need to be running that take RAM. There is no way around it.
And the biggest point that everyone seems to miss is that once you let a single game use X amount of RAM then the OS can never have that RAM back. But like we saw this generation with the PS3, Sony can give it back from the OS. I am sure they will launch with a buffer to keep their options open, see what works, what gamers want (because such a large amount of RAM allows this luxury), then decide what they can axe/add optimise and eventually either reduce the OS footprint or add amazing things.. Games will still look amazing with 5GB, except now they look amazing whilst not limiting future OS options.
It is the smart thing to do. Not that you would know it from the reaction.
Computer
Member
battlefieldfan1
Banned
Yeah... How much did they waste on CELL again? Wasn't it in the range of $3-6 billion? All that for something that only games like GoW 3, Uncharted 2, 3 and The Last of Us took advantage of. In the end, they only looked marginally better than the graphical fidelity of what the 360's best produced.
You just proved my point. CE shouldn't be wasting time inventing new technology. That's not their speciality and not what they're for (Unless you're Samsung).
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
I don't know about fanboystic meltdowns but if 3.5 GBs reserved for OS turn out to be true it will affect the decisions of a number of people (and have them possibly moving to PC gaming). Noone wants an AppStation.
la flama blanca
Banned
Smokey already did this. You're not only full of it, but already lttp.
So GAF is a hivemind now? The balls on some of you people n this thread.