Lambda Pie
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a large chunk is ignorance, yes.
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FRIDAYTON MK II: 5.5 million bears and salmon create unholy allliance to sack SONY HQ
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a large chunk is ignorance, yes.
Wishmaster92
Member
Cool, Wii u version incoming then?
everyday math
Banned
We should all just switch to OYUA!
This thread :/
Raphael
Member
New and improved one for this thread. (courtesy of Xbudz)
Haha, gold.
SwiftDeath
Member
They do not look equal
GPU is still significantly more powerful in PS4
Ram: 4.5gb at least of GDDR5 in PS4 vs 5gb DDR3 in X1 + 32mb esram
Ram is far closer now but I still believe PS4 is more powerful there
GPU is still significant difference
DragonSworne
Banned
You should catch up, PS3 is still atleast 50% more powerful than Xbox One if not more.
CadetMahoney
Member
PS4 is still vastly superior, the games and digital foundry comparisons will do the talking.
That's about as close to confirming the rumor as you're going to get without outright saying it.
I really really want to hear how you came to that conclusion
DDR3 does not imply a choppy OS. DDR3 is just the better choice for an OS. Cheaper, works well with multi-tasking applications, etc. It's not just about bandwidth. An OS does not need high bandwidth to operate smoothly.
A small, separate CPU with exclusive access to 3.5GB DDR3 that focuses on the OS, coupled with 4.5GB GDDR5 for 8 Jaguar cores and the GPU would have been a better idea, in my opinion.
What?
I mean in terms of RAM allocation. Gotta cover all the bases in this thread to be understood.
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
In truth. Both machines, Xbox One and PS4 will produce amazing games.
5 gigs of ram will be more then enough for a the time being before the platform holders optimise the respective OS's to allow more free ram for future expansion and even more amazing games.
5 gigs of ram will be more then enough for a the time being before the platform holders optimise the respective OS's to allow more free ram for future expansion and even more amazing games.
Chobel
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ChronotriggerJM
Member
Ugh, still wrong. The PS4 had better specs when it was assumed to be 4 gigs.
Sooooooooooo, why is everybody losing their shit, then?
Color me skeptical. Sony isn't gonna be doing any of the extra shit Microsoft is doing with the Xbox ONE, and multitasking features aren't hard to do for Sony, if the Vita is anything to go by. Also, the PS4 has a dedicated video decoder/encoder chip for both the Share feature AND Remote Play, so no RAM resources on that.
Is it just Sony fans panicking and Xbox fans taking the piss?
So making the most powerful, cheaper , less restrictive, most dev friendly console = absolute fail.
Guys this doesn't change a goddamn thing in comparing the two systems theoretical performances.
And I will give him credit, OS size will likely be reduced by both companies as time move on.
A vain effort, really. Realize that the "discussions" over the topic are more from the perspective of folks who lock in on "4.5 < 5" more than any real discussion over what each system is capable of, or how memory is actually utilized in these systems. It's a bullet point on a numbers list, and one that MS fans can put on their side - something that they've been hungry for quite some time. (Just see the last FRIDAYTON thread)
Still, it does boggle my mind that the console OSes are getting so big nowadays. I just don't see these multitasking things taking off - when I play or watch TV, that screen space is precious real estate that I don't want being taken up by some other app. I'd figure most everyone interested in that kinda thing would have a phone or tablet for that kinda stuff, and would merrily ignore these "features" on the console itself.
(EDIT - and the idea that either OS would need to keep recorded gameplay in memory is dumb when DVRs have had similar features with larger recorded segments for years despite putting things straight on the HDD)
Still, I realize that it's not of any real significance to game devs (not at the moment, anyway), but it still irritates me that the whole point of reserving these sections of system memory feel like misguided efforts.
LukasTaves
Member
Wow, really? Things like AI I could see the extra CUs making a difference, but bandwidth was like the least candidate I expected to affect it XD
And that's for final devkits? And relatively mature tools?
Thanks for the info!
Edit: On a second though, AI subroutines like visibility tests could very well be bandwidth limited...
Not when DF is skewed towards MS. They will make up shit reasons to say that MS wins. /s
TheLegendary
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But the PS4 was the console for gamers. Now it's in a similar boat as the Xbone. That's why everyone is freaking out.
Aka, reality has hit that all consoles need to be able to compete on a semi-even playing field across all features. Sony not being able to match the OS level services of the Xbox would be a lot worse than the benefits they'd gain by giving devs a few more gigs of RAM.
Which again, brings more focus to the main issue which is that the specs of the console are almost completely irrelevant for all intents and purposes. Sony going this route proves that. If there was a tangible benefit to widening the gulf in game performance between the PS4 and the Xbone, then they wouldn't be allocating this much RAM for non gaming functions
KoopaTheCasual
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Ah, nevermind.
Metalmurphy
Member
Did I miss anything major in the past 3 hours?
2 cores out of 8 are used for the OS.
2 GB out of 8 should be used for the OS.
Ratios should be the same, I say. The same! It's just more elegant that way
Adrian Monk, is that you?
qa_engineer
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This isn't news... THIS. IS. NEOGAF (SPARTA)
Yeah, but has nothing to do with any real or perceived loss of gaming capability. They are mad because they've lost one of their bragging points for their console of choice, or they have to eat a little crow from their MS fan friends. It's just a pissing content.
So I don't think a lot of that ram is used for the 15 min share. It must be constantly writing to the harddrive. For 1080p video I found this little bit of info
so basically it would be recording 356MB every second. Way to big to store in ram. This information could be wrong though.
so basically it would be recording 356MB every second. Way to big to store in ram. This information could be wrong though.
@Durante
Any guesses as to how the 1GB of RAM that may be used if called upon works?
There has been lots of speculation, including guesses that this is shared by the OS. Wouldn't you need to lock down that chunk of memory, and 100% of it in a "worst case" scenario in order to guarantee a set amount of performance?
(Some types of world data perhaps? But that seems like a headache to manage.)
Any guesses as to how the 1GB of RAM that may be used if called upon works?
There has been lots of speculation, including guesses that this is shared by the OS. Wouldn't you need to lock down that chunk of memory, and 100% of it in a "worst case" scenario in order to guarantee a set amount of performance?
(Some types of world data perhaps? But that seems like a headache to manage.)
shinobi602
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NoirVisage
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quite the hypocrite there!
Austriacus
Member
I didnt understand the title until i googled it, but i still fell of my chair laughing. So thanks for that.
Audible Phonetics
Member
Man this thread is too funny.
It went from outrage.
To people cancelling PS4 orders (on a rumor and ignorance)
to people now saying Xbox is more powerful
It went from outrage.
To people cancelling PS4 orders (on a rumor and ignorance)
to people now saying Xbox is more powerful
Wishmaster92
Member
Pretty much confirmed. Lol at the dev saying 5gb is enough, really? Maybe for indie games yeah.
Oh jeez dude...jeez.
lol nvm, don't worry about catching up. You have your mind set.
8GB GDDR5 divided by Green = this fucking thread
lol let's not rewrite history. It was the more powerful GPU, way faster RAM and more RAM available for games, which is still true. Not to mentioned the lower price, more consumer friendly policies.
CadetMahoney
Member
Only when there are subjective miniscule effects and lighting. . . PS4 will be vastly more powerful so they can't go either way on much better performing games.
DragonSworne
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Dude, 0.3GB for 1 second is way too much storage space 0_0
PS4 = Mr. Satan, Xbone = Broly
Sony just shot themselves in the foot. Next-gen is OVAAA, BABY!!!!!
Hasn't confirmed nor denied. Probably can't at this stage. Let's be real though. Sony doesn't want another situation like the PS3 where they just didn't have enough RAM. According to insiders here. 1.5 gigs is reserved for OS and OS functions. While another 1 gig is reserved for "future proof".
As much as we like to say we know what, and how much is needed a few years down the line we just don't know what will be available as far as features go.
That leaves 4.5 gigs At the ready for devs to use plus 1gig there if they need it bringing it to 5.5gigs. Which is more than enough considering what they are working with in the PS3.
Also as stated earlier. that OS footprint over time may be reduced.
That's unfortunately what I expected would happen.
It would need to buffer some amount of frames in RAM. Probably 1 second or so gets written to RAM and gets flushed to disk in a queue.