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[franconp]

Would those circumstances be different if you were scum?

The circumstances will be the same until I resign my job or get fired, what happens first.

I mean Burb over Kawl, obviously

Gorlak I see your question will get it in a bit

Because kawl at least has made a few of post that seems he is trying to find scum. The same with fep. The last 2 days of Burb ser the most non commital that I have ever played with (except Blarg in Overwatch).

I really feel like Fran is the good vote here. I feel it.

So, more than 150 post and your only argument is that you feel it?

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

The fact that splinter* isn't telling us who he targeted is interesting. Makes me think that one was Swamped and that's why he's tunneling so hard on her.

 

[Burbeting]

Why fran, twe?

 

[Kawl_USC]

These are good points about CCS. But wasn't that argument about voting three consecutive days for townies put forward by acohrs? You're right that CCS has been passive especially in the past couple of days. That's kind of how I feel about Stan and why he's leaning scum. It doesn't feel like Stan is actively scum-hunting. And why would scum do that especially when they are winning so badly right now? I definitely need to look through CCS again.

Splinter - why do you scum-read CCS?





This doesn't really say anything about your read on him though.



Is this shaking things up? Wasn't he in the running on D4? He had plenty of suspicion on D3 too...



Basically people are making really good arguments to lynch TWE - mostly due to his erratic changes in reads of people. Every time I read those arguments I feel maybe TWE is indeed scum. But then TWE says something...and then I go back to my original thought that he's a townie. I understand why people find him scummy and I get swayed by those arguments, but deep down I personally think he is town. His posts especially today feel like he's just totally lost (as am I) and he's trying to find any thread to latch on to.

On D4, I changed from TWE to Dragonz and eventually landed on Sorian. You know why I switched to Sorian. Dragonz, I've been vacillating on for a while now. I definitely thought it odd that TWE hard-town read Dragonz from 2 posts that see made at the start of D4. Since I was more unsure about Dragonz I decided to vote for her instead. But the votes for here didn't really go anywhere. And I found a more compelling case in Sorian. I can explain in more detail if you have further questions.

Today especially the votes coming in are slow. Scum is going to want to look at who other people are voting for and see where their votes will look the least suspicious. TWE isn't really acting like this.

Actually, Stan opened up with a vote too. Hmm it was for a dead person though. And then Burb, maybe scum wants to bus him? Maybe from scum's POV they think town will want to lycnh Burb the most. I'm not opposed to a Burb lynch, but I do think it's the easiest one for scum to hide in especially if he does flip scum.



This is also a good point. Also, those votes tend to come fairly early in the day too. Is he purposefully avoiding the late trains?

The other point about Fran is that he town-read Sorian up until the very end. None of the role revelations Sorian made at the end of D4 affected his read of Sorian. Surely one would at least wonder...?

Ugh I have to leave at 2.15pm.

Happy to vote for Dragonz, Stan or Burb. I think I could be convinced to vote for Fran to really shake things up though.

VOTE: WhereAreMahDragonz

I really do want to vote for Kawl. I have said this before. He seemed really defensive at even the slightest shade i threw at him.

VOTE: Kawl_USC

Please Splinter. I am town. I don't know what else to say. You've never had the chance to play with a town me for a longer time (werewolf mafia was probably the last time we were both town for more than one day)

Come on swamped you have to at least try to not look so opportunistic with your vote in such a way that contradicts your previous mega post outlining your positions.

Its much less so that I'm overly defensive of any shade thrown my way, but 3+ people just posting that they are getting bad feels off me and promising to reread me and come out with something more meaningful, and then failing to make good on that promise, looks a like like scum positioning for an easy mislynch later on. If you just say "Kawl seems pretty scummy to me" with out any hard evidence enough times it permeates enough in people's mind that it gains the strength of an actual argument. You are good enough scum to know this. I still think TWE is the better lynch for today and heaven forbid wouldn't want to be accused of OMGUS voting, but if TWEs dog won't hunt today you are definitely my second choice and I plan to berevisiting you in future days.

 

[Burbeting]

I'm waiting for Splinter to answer those last questions.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Why fran, twe?

His votes:

D1-Faddy
D2-Faddy
D3-Me
D4-Acohrs

Voted Faddy twice when he knew votes on Faddy weren't going to be looked at. Votes for me knowing that I was an easy vote. Votes for Acohrs because it was an easy train to jump on.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Kawl is scumread for being AWOL. Yes he has excuses but I'm starting to think he is more liable to rest on those excuses as scum. See mini2 or Love Boat, I don't remember any other games with scum Kawl, but compare them to every game he's been town in. What little he has contributed this game has been 90% general Mafia theory, and somehow he hardly gets scumread while people go after every other inactive/coasting player? I will be amazed if he's town.

I find it harder to shine and do focus deep dives in larger games which combined with lack of free time has definitely lead to a lack of hot takes and mega posts. Sorry. Meta arguments feel bad to have thrown your way, but what are you going to do. I promise to try to not sign up for too many softball leagues in the future.

And for some patented self-analysis, from my perspectives taking some notes on mafia theory would have been pretty helpful for town this game as anti town behavior is what has lead to several if not most of our mislynches. Just because y'all think something is obvious and isn't alignment indicative doesn't mean that there isn't merit in saying it. I strongly feel like gafia town needs to step up, gonna use my soapbox to do so whenever possible. I also try to have at least made a case for why I'm scum reading someone the most out of everyone ever phase. That's the bare minimum that I think town can contribute and not be a huge liability. I make how I'll vote known and put it down. Which is more than most of the other inactive/coasters can claim.

And I guess we are including any one sub 130 posts as a coaster? That seems a bit of an overreach. That's over half the remaining players. There's exactly one person I'd consider borderline inactive and 2 more id put into the arena of coasters.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Absolutely keeping my vote on fran today. No matter if it means my death.

And this here is why I find TWE to be problematic if we keep him alive going into endgame.

Two situations (either TWE is scum or town): as town, Stunts like this essentially remove a town vote from a game quickly approaching end game unless Fran becomes a viable lynch target.

As scum, it falls in line with his previous "sloppy town" persona so it can't even really be criticized once you've decided he's just sloppy and not scummy.

I implore you to vote TWE if he is among your top scum reads. The deeper we go the more I think people will just convince themselves that hes clearly sloppy town and refuse to lynch him for anti town behavior.

 

[franconp]

His votes:

D1-Faddy
D2-Faddy
D3-Me
D4-Acohrs

Voted Faddy twice when he knew votes on Faddy weren't going to be looked at. Votes for me knowing that I was an easy vote. Votes for Acohrs because it was an easy train to jump on.

Except you are omiting that I justified all those votes.

 

[Kawl_USC]

I'm waiting for Splinter to answer those last questions.

Legit question, what will it change? We are coming in on 3 hours left in the day. Several people have stated they won't be here for end day.

You are soft claiming to have info unless I'm mistaken.

You should share it asap so everyone has a chance to see it and move votes accordingly.

We need to hit scum today.

 

[Swamped]

Come on swamped you have to at least try to not look so opportunistic with your vote in such a way that contradicts your previous mega post outlining your positions.

Its much less so that I'm overly defensive of any shade thrown my way, but 3+ people just posting that they are getting bad feels off me and promising to reread me and come out with something more meaningful, and then failing to make good on that promise, looks a like like scum positioning for an easy mislynch later on. If you just say "Kawl seems pretty scummy to me" with out any hard evidence enough times it permeates enough in people's mind that it gains the strength of an actual argument. You are good enough scum to know this. I still think TWE is the better lynch for today and heaven forbid wouldn't want to be accused of OMGUS voting, but if TWEs dog won't hunt today you are definitely my second choice and I plan to berevisiting you in future days.

How is this opportunistic? You have no votes on you. You have hardly had any votes on you all game. All the arguments you are using against me can be thrown back at you. You have been vaguely saying "Swamped is scummy" for many day phases, saying you will read me. All i have found in your posts are mechanics and poisoner arguments.

But i will admit that you being busy IRL is a pretty good excuse and might explain why you seem so distant from the game. That's what I'm finding scummy in the end.

I have a feeling Burb is not a good vote for today. His recent posts with Splinter feel that way to me.

Nobody seems to be going for Stan.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

And this here is why I find TWE to be problematic if we keep him alive going into endgame.

Two situations (either TWE is scum or town): as town, Stunts like this essentially remove a town vote from a game quickly approaching end game unless Fran becomes a viable lynch target.

As scum, it falls in line with his previous "sloppy town" persona so it can't even really be criticized once you've decided he's just sloppy and not scummy.

I implore you to vote TWE if he is among your top scum reads. The deeper we go the more I think people will just convince themselves that hes clearly sloppy town and refuse to lynch him for anti town behavior.

Okay, in case I play Mafia again on here and get town again, can you explain what Anti Town Behavior is?

 

[*Splinter]

I'm waiting for Splinter to answer those last questions.

Which questions? I thought I answered already

 

[Burbeting]

Legit question, what will it change? We are coming in on 3 hours left in the day. Several people have stated they won't be here for end day.

You are soft claiming to have info unless I'm mistaken.

You should share it asap so everyone has a chance to see it and move votes accordingly.

We need to hit scum today.

I'm trying to deduce if he is trust-worthy. That will decide my next move.

 

[*Splinter]

Oh you mean this one?

Are you going to give us this info because really anything would be useful at this point.

No I'm not

 

[Burbeting]

Which questions? I thought I answered already

'I see. But if you get night killed, won't that potentially hide all of that information?' (Aka. Your day 3 and 4 targets)

 

[*Splinter]

'I see. But if you get night killed, won't that potentially hide all of that information?' (Aka. Your day 3 and 4 targets)

No I'm confident that all the info would be found if I die

 

[Burbeting]

No I'm confident that all the info would be found if I die

I see.

 

[Swamped]

The fact that splinter* isn't telling us who he targeted is interesting. Makes me think that one was Swamped and that's why he's tunneling so hard on her.

I've been thinking this, but if anything that should make him trust me MORE lol

 

[Kawl_USC]

How is this opportunistic? You have no votes on you. You have hardly had any votes on you all game. All the arguments you are using against me can be thrown back at you. You have been vaguely saying "Swamped is scummy" for many day phases, saying you will read me. All i have found in your posts are mechanics and poisoner arguments.

But i will admit that you being busy IRL is a pretty good excuse and might explain why you seem so distant from the game. That's what I'm finding scummy in the end.

I have a feeling Burb is not a good vote for today. His recent posts with Splinter feel that way to me.

Nobody seems to be going for Stan.

The first post I quoted above from you goes in excess detail about this and that and ends with a group of people you would fee comfortable voting for. Notably missing is my name.

Splinter then responds to gorlaks query on why he scum reads me. You take the opportunity to use this to pivot from your previous stance and throw a vote on me, testing the waters to see if can be a mislynch target for the day.

And actually, I said I was scum reading you because you were among the cluster of people who seemed to be either pushing suspicion towards me at roughly the same time which seemed odd to me. Whether coordinated or just a scum taking advantage of a town or twos suspicion idk but lean towards the later. Fair play on the read later and no payout though.

And disagree with you assertion that all that are in my posts are poisoner and mechanics discussion. May make up more than they should, but again I find the puzzle solving aspect of the game most rewarding. Im aware that makes me a weaker town player than I would be otherwise, but alas we all have flaws.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Okay, in case I play Mafia again on here and get town again, can you explain what Anti Town Behavior is?

Voting outside viable lynch targets, suiciding, being defensive to the detriment of scum hunting, having poor logic, blindly trusting others.

Any behavior that hurts towns chances of winning regardless of the players alignment.

 

[Swamped]

Come on people get your votes in. I have to leave in 15 minutes and of course this game revolves around my personal schedule lol.

I think Burb, TWE, Splinter and Faddy are not the right vote for today (not that anybody is voting for the late two). I could be convinced to vote for almost anybody else tbh!

 

[Burbeting]

Come on people get your votes in. I have to leave in 15 minutes and of course this game revolves around my personal schedule lol.

I think Burb, TWE, Splinter and Faddy are not the right vote for today (not that anybody is voting for the late two). I could be convinced to vote for almost anybody else tbh!

Didn't you just say you are happy to vote for me?

 

[Kawl_USC]

Didn't you just say you are happy to vote for me?

It's like that big post of hers didn't actual contain real positions...

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Didn't you just say you are happy to vote for me?

She did.

 

[Swamped]

The first post I quoted above from you goes in excess detail about this and that and ends with a group of people you would fee comfortable voting for. Notably missing is my name.

Splinter then responds to gorlaks query on why he scum reads me. You take the opportunity to use this to pivot from your previous stance and throw a vote on me, testing the waters to see if can be a mislynch target for the day.

And actually, I said I was scum reading you because you were among the cluster of people who seemed to be either pushing suspicion towards me at roughly the same time which seemed odd to me. Whether coordinated or just a scum taking advantage of a town or twos suspicion idk but lean towards the later. Fair play on the read later and no payout though.

And disagree with you assertion that all that are in my posts are poisoner and mechanics discussion. May make up more than they should, but again I find the puzzle solving aspect of the game most rewarding. Im aware that makes me a weaker town player than I would be otherwise, but alas we all have flaws.

Why would i need to 'test the waters' with a vote on you when i could vote for people the majority are finding scummy?

I'm deciding between you or Dragonz. Think I'll stick with you though! Unless someone can present a compelling argument that you are town.

 

[Kyanrute]

Come on people get your votes in. I have to leave in 15 minutes and of course this game revolves around my personal schedule lol.

I think Burb, TWE, Splinter and Faddy are not the right vote for today (not that anybody is voting for the late two). I could be convinced to vote for almost anybody else tbh!

Didn't you do this last day or the day before? "SOMEONE HALP GIVE ME A VOTE TARGET HAAAAAALP." It looks strange at best.

 

[Burbeting]

Fuck it. I was going to do this tomorrow, but today could be MYLO in worst case scenario.

WHO AM I?

 

[Swamped]

I have a feeling Burb is not a good vote for today. His recent posts with Splinter feel that way to me.

Didn't you just say you are happy to vote for me?

I mean, I'm assuming you're a PR of some sort.

 

[Ourobolus]

PLEASE STAND BY

 

[Kawl_USC]

Why would i need to 'test the waters' with a vote on you when i could vote for people the majority are finding scummy?

I'm deciding between you or Dragonz. Think I'll stick with you though! Unless someone can present a compelling argument that you are town.

Swamped, are you okay?

Are you deciding between me and dragonz, or are you open to voting anyone, I mean really anyone except these four guys? I'm getting a bit of whiplash here.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

 

[Swamped]

Swamped, are you okay?

Are you deciding between me and dragonz, or are you open to voting anyone, I mean really anyone except these four guys? I'm getting a bit of whiplash here.

I can be convinced to vote for anyone given good arguments. Everyone here is scummy in some way (although I'm less inclined to boot for Gorlak and Kyan as I've said multiple times before). But Kawl and Dragonz and Stan are my top targets. Why is this so difficult to understand?

 

[Ourobolus]

Fuck it. I was going to do this tomorrow, but today could be MYLO in worst case scenario.

WHO AM I?

WHO ARE YOU? WELL, YOU ARE...STARSKETCH, OF COURSE! FOR LIKE THE MILLIONTH TIME!

Good morning to another wonderful day at Lynchwood Acres!

It appears you are...StarSketch, and you are an Alzheimer's Patient, or to put it another way, a Celebrity. STARSKETCH, YOUR NAME IS STARSKETCH. STARRRRR SKEEEEEEETCH. Remember, you had a long life as a microphone repair technician? Yes, yes, your high school boyfriend Zack Morris will be along shortly. sigh

At one point during any day phase, you may post the command WHO AM I? in the game thread, and the moderator will reveal your role to everyone in the game.

You can also vote! Hooray!

You are aligned with The Retirees (TOWN).

You win when all threats to The Retirees have been eliminated.

Good luck!

 

[CCS]

PLEASE STAND BY

Right as I finish catching up on the thread :lol

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Now that. Is something.

 

[Kawl_USC]

I can be convinced to vote for anyone given good arguments. Everyone here is scummy in some way (although I'm less inclined to boot for Gorlak and Kyan as I've said multiple times before). But Kawl and Dragonz and Stan are my top targets. Why is this so difficult to understand?

It's hard to understand because you keep shuffling names around and saying things in ways that don't all quite agree post to post.

 

[Swamped]

Well it's too late now. I have to leave, and thus my vote stays.

And great news about Burb.

 

[Kawl_USC]

I'm trying to deduce if he is trust-worthy. That will decide my next move.

Can I get an explanation for what trusting Splinter made a difference for?

And have you given your read of the game today? Would be useful to have another perspective I can 100% trust.

 

[CCS]

That's pretty neat.

Hit us with your reads before day end please Burb.

 

[Faddy]

It's hard to understand because you keep shuffling names around and saying things in ways that don't all quite agree post to post.

I find it stranger if people have managed to keep all their reads in a logical progression with the way the game has gone.

 

[franconp]

Ok. Change of votes:

Vote: theworthyedge

 

[Burbeting]

Can I get an explanation for what trusting Splinter made a difference for?

And have you given your read of the game today? Would be useful to have another perspective I can 100% trust.

If he is town cop, then he is obviously a high list candidate for an NK. But seeing as the scum seems to have gone for Bronx yesterday (why would they have gone for Sorian?), it seems they are fine with letting Splinter live if they can block him. So with my limited power as a good town player in this game, I was trying to figure out if I wanted to be a meat shield for him. Since it's possible scum will now NK me instead of him.

But if he is scum, I might as well could have tried to hold out until tomorrow, hoping today wouldn't be MYLO.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

WHO AM I?

Spoiler

.......Ouro. pls.

Hm. So with Burb not scum, then that just strengthens my vote on Fran even more because now I don't have someone to vote for as a backup if I needed it.

This mostly seals the deal with my death today. So...that's not very good.

Good to have a 100% town in the mix now.

 

[Burbeting]

On Day 1 & 2 I tried to veer on the edge of being scum read enough for scum to ignore me on NK's, and not too much so I wouldn't be lynched. But from D3 onwards life and other stuff took too much hold on me, I'm genuinely sorry about it.

So if we can trust Splinter, then him, Faddy and me should be left from the conversation about scum for now. That leaves 10 people.

 

[Kawl_USC]

I find it stranger if people have managed to keep all their reads in a logical progression with the way the game has gone.

If this isn't sarcasm, I mean these are posts within a few hours of each other at most. I don't think consistency is some Herculean feat to be achieved here unless they are scum created bs in the first place.

 

[Faddy]

If this isn't sarcasm, I mean these are posts within a few hours of each other at most. I don't think consistency is some Herculean feat to be achieved here unless they are scum created bs in the first place.

With no strong scum read I find myself being inconsistent.

 

[Kawl_USC]

On Day 1 & 2 I tried to veer on the edge of being scum read enough for scum to ignore me on NK's, and not too much so I wouldn't be lynched. But from D3 onwards life and other stuff took too much hold on me, I'm genuinely sorry about it.

So if we can trust Splinter, then him, Faddy and me should be left from the conversation about scum for now. That leaves 10 people.

So you're obviously clear. I'd put faddy as like 90% cleared or so. If he's scum it has to be a scum/scum gambit by splinter that doesn't make hardly any sense in the game state yesterday. So splinter is either telling the truth or scum splinter is taking a guess at town not having any cop role to counter claim and pockets faddy with this move. The double blocks and withholding info makes this idea more likely than it would be otherwise. But I still put splinter at something like 75% clear. So I agree the three of you should be discounted today, but faddy and especially splinter shouldn't be completely written off in an end game scenario, say final 3 or such.

 

[Kawl_USC]

With no strong scum read I find myself being inconsistent.

You should see a doctor about that. Though adult depends are supposed to be great quality.

 

[Burbeting]

And great news about Burb.

Now that. Is something.

These reactions are concerning. It's very common for scum to quickly try to asskiss confirmed/claimed power roles, I know I've done it multiple times as scum. in the past.