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[DragoonKain]

It's a shame we really can't talk about predictions anymore with the leaks, because I really wanted people's guesses on what trap Cersei will try and pull next week. Kill Dany? Capture Dany? Kill a dragon?

She and Qyburn are up to something.

 

[ShooterMcGavin]

Hnnnnng, I can't get over the music that played when Dany made her entrance. Such a brilliant little mix of the Dance of Dragons / Winds of Winter theme.

Can't wait to binge on this season's soundtrack.

 

[ComputerBlue]

I still don't know why Jon Snow needs to continue fighting when everyone is ready to get out. Maybe the dragon might have been saved if it weren't for his moronic nature

What I want to know is what was it that Sansa did this episode to make you think she was smart?

 

[Peter Ian Staker]

Westeros' size is so ridiculous that I refuse to believe it.
GRRM never had a handle of measurements, the man was shocked when he first saw the Wall and thought it should be shorter.
But he did say 700 ft.

Should be the size of UK or something.

Pretty much. The trip Robert made from KL to Winterfell at the beginning of the series should have taken months not weeks as we are told.

GRRM had zero grasp on how long it took to get places during the Middle Ages.

 

[televator]

Man, I thought that we were going to lose more than we saw.
I guess a dragon trumps it all though, so it evens out.

Btw, did Jorah and the Hound have Dragonglass daggers? Who gave 'em that?

They aren't big so I would guess that Jon and Davos packed some extras.

 

[SurrenderDorothy]

I still don't know why Jon Snow needs to continue fighting when everyone is ready to get out. Maybe the dragon might have been saved if it weren't for his moronic nature

The dragon was dead whether Jon was on it or not. Viserion was in the air.
Look, from past posts I know you don't think much of Jon and that's fine.
But don't misrepresent what was shown just so you can favour your bias..

Pretty much. The trip Robert made from KL to Winterfell at the beginning of the series should have taken months not weeks as we are told.

GRRM had zero grasp on how long it took to get places during the Middle Ages.

Yep, the series is ridiculous when it comes to size.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

They're going to have to fight the NK much differently, he can't be fought simply because he sees ahead.
Before the Children turned him I believe he was a Greenseer, or atleast had the Sight.

What on earth are you talking about

 

[demolitio]

Told my friend Dany would go save the group and lose a dragon in the process but I didn't expect it to come after receiving a raven. I thought she'd leave shortly after to see for herself, not time travel out of necessity.

I'm definitely assuming Arya is playing LF at this point. Otherwise that storyline isn't really going anywhere this season. LF better get caught next episode by a disguised Arya.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

Also shout out to the best uncle out there. Benjen Stark.

We'll miss you and your half undead face.

 

[riotous]

That doesn't change his plan though. So long as she doesn't catch onto him and keeps on the trajectory she's on it doesn't matter if she wears someone's face while tailing him or not.

I'm saying she could have caught on to him already; and did the Sansa scene because Arya knows Sansa will go to LF about it.

 

[Icedburden]

Brave men do stupid things

Yup, they telegraphed everything. Do nothing = leave Jon in the ice.

 

[TheContact]

Does zombie dragon breathe fire or ice? If former, can melt a hole in wall?

 

[Chase17]

Did someone bring back Gendry "speed demon" (does he have a last name?)'s hammer back for him.

You think Littlefinger isn't lowkey manipulating Sansa too? Brienne doesn't trust Littlefinger more than Arya and he's trying to send her away? That's kinda shady.

Someone should check in with Bran to find out /s

 

[sam12]

What I want to know is what was it that Sansa did this episode to make you think she was smart?

Sending Brienne away. She is playing LF.

 

[Booker.DeWitt]

I still don't know why Jon Snow needs to continue fighting when everyone is ready to get out. Maybe the dragon might have been saved if it weren't for his moronic nature

He had to do that so the others would have time to jump in the dragon

 

[Hannor Mir]

How much time has passed for the raven to hit Dragonstone and Dany arriving like the Eagles in LOTR?

I'm not that bothered, just wondering if there's an explanation.

So I've been trying to do a bit of maths in that regards. So Westeros is supposed to be a fictional version of Great Britain with a bit more land mass. Let's say that the distance between Eastwatch and Dragonstone is roughly the same distance between Edinburgh and London which is 414 miles give or take a few extra miles, so let's say 430 miles between Eastwatch and Dragonstone. I did some googling and apparently ravens can fly at a speed of ~28 miles per hour, so 430/28 gives you ~15 hours. Now this is where the maths gets even more fuzzy, not knowing the flight speed of dragons I'm going to assume that they fly at least twice as fast as a raven, so (430 miles to Eastwatch + 20 miles maybe? to where ever jon snow and the gang walked) / 56 the minimum flight speed of dragons gives us, 8 hours. So 15 hours for the raven + 8 hours for the dragons gives us 23 hours.
Please take this with a massive grain of salt, all my facts and maths could be totally way off.

 

[toastyToast]

I still don't know why Jon Snow needs to continue fighting when everyone is ready to get out. Maybe the dragon might have been saved if it weren't for his moronic nature

There's a theory that Jon has a deathwish since he was resurrected and doesn't really value his life which is why he's been doing a bunch of reckless stuff lately. That being said, that scene was especially dumb.

Night King's army doing the one-on-one karate movie shit with Jon but they swarm Benjen in seconds lol

 

[peteykirch]

Someone pointed out to me, in this thread (maybe a few days ago?), that they were loading up boxes of dragonglass on the boat before they left. I missed it, but apparently they had dragonglass with them.

I thought dragonglass only works on white walkers not wights.

 

[zeemumu]

Does zombie dragon breathe fire or ice? If former, can melt a hole in wall?

They breathe Icy Hot

 

[riotous]

Sending Brienne away. She is playing LF.

Explain this; I don't get how that's playing LF.

 

[SargerusBR]

Also shout out to the best uncle out there. Benjen Stark.

We'll miss you and your half undead face.

He could easily jump in the horse with Jon and get away, but nooooo D&D needed more named characters to die in this episode.

 

[Khansolo1]

I honestly think dani might die next week because Tyrion keeps asking about her heir

 

[DopeyFish]

Stranded on rock- send gendry away- gets rescued- raven is sent- dany gets raven- flies beyond the wall- searches all over and finds them- in 36 hours? Come on now.

the math roughly works

depending on when gendry arrives at the wall and when the dragons arrive, it potentially leaves extra time

another thing to note... we don't know exactly how long the day cycle is in this universe. Remember... this isn't earth.

 

[Darryl M R]

Jon can smash because Dany can't have children. It works out perfectly.

 

[Speevy]

I think the directors asked Maisie Williams to play Arya as more sinister and worldly than usual, but the whole thing comes off as forced.

Sophie Turner's performance is something I'm not sure about. Half the time she seems to have reverted back to a younger state, and the other half she's channeling an older woman.

The actors can't seem to settle on how to make these characters into young women.

 

[SurrenderDorothy]

What on earth are you talking about

When the Children of the Forest changed that man into the Night King, I believe he had powers similar to Bran, that of a Greenseer who could see parts of the future.

Lol, it sounds barmy.

 

[Lights and Waves]

The real gag is the Littlefinger is manipulating Arya and it's SANSA who's going to be the one to save her ungrateful little ass and show her how it's really done.

 

[RDreamer]

Jesus why does this show have to ruin the good with some convoluted unbelievable bullshit nowadays. I was literally stunned the entire time when they send Gendry to run back and send a Raven. I couldn't believe that's what they were doing and that's how they'd be saved. Gendry runs back, sends a raven, it gets to Dany, then she flies up and finds them in the nick of time? Seriously? That's almost more ridiculous than a lot of the stuff they've pulled this season.

 

[B-Dubs]

I'm saying she could have caught on to him already; and did the Sansa scene because Arya knows Sansa will go to LF about it.

Except there's no reason for us to think this. She has no experience with that sort of scheming. It makes more sense for her to be drawn in and played than it does for her to be the chessmaster.

 

[Chase17]

Explain this; I don't get how that's playing LF.

LF was trying to use Brianne as a means to further pit Arya and Sansa against each other. So Sansa just removed her from the equation.

 

[ComputerBlue]

Sending Brienne away. She is playing LF.

Brienne would only benefit Sansa by staying by her side.

 

[Einchy]

I guess the good thing about the leak is that everyone was stockpiling their memes.

 

[Obliterator]

Because I think he wanted to take on the nights king.

I'm 90% sure that's exactly what was happening and how I read it.

 

[scarlet]

What are WW goals?

 

[walnutthewise]

Anyone still wondering about how the white walkers got huge chains to pull out the dragon...read that last word again.

 

[Volimar]

Littlefinger's conversation with Sansa had a line to the effect of "If Arya tries to kill you then Brienne would need to intercede to save you due to her vow." Sending Brienne away makes that whole mess avoidable.

It's also possible that Sansa was afraid that Arya could convince Brienne that Sansa was plotting against her or Jon.

 

[sam12]

The dragon was dead whether Jon was on it or not. Viserion was in the air.
Look, from past posts I know you don't think much of Jon and that's fine.
But don't misrepresent what was shown just so you can favour your bias..

Not biased just irritated by some of his decisions.

 

[FiggyCal]

I guess the good thing about the leak is that everyone was stockpiling their memes.

This may be the worst thing I've ever seen.

 

[B-Dubs]

Brienne would only benefit Sansa by staying by her side.

LF wanted to put Brienne and Arya against each other, he was pretty clearly dropped that idea into his conversation with Sansa.

It's also possible that Sansa was afraid that Arya could convince Brienne that Sansa was plotting against her or Jon.

Brienne's job is to protect the girls from danger, not to help make sure Jon stays on the throne. She has no reason to care so long as the sisters don't try and start shit with each other. It also ignores the subtext from the Sansa/LF convo.

 

[Lights and Waves]

Damn people are good at these.

 

[Mrbob]

I'm starting to believe the Night King set these events in motion because trading a dragon for a wight is an awful trade.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

I'm 90% sure that's exactly what was happening and how I read it.

Yep they set it up with the Beric conversation. Earned well enough, I think, unlike many other things in the episode.

 

[Steejee]

So I've been trying to do a bit of maths in that regards. So Westeros is supposed to be a fictional version of Great Britain with a bit more land mass. Let's say that the distance between Eastwatch and Dragonstone is roughly the same distance between Edinburgh and London which is 414 miles give or take a few extra miles, so let's say 430 miles between Eastwatch and Dragonstone. I did some googling and apparently ravens can fly at a speed of ~28 miles per hour, so 430/28 gives you ~15 hours. Now this is where the maths gets even more fuzzy, not knowing the flight speed of dragons I'm going to assume that they fly at least twice as fast as a raven, so (430 miles to Eastwatch + 20 miles maybe? to where ever jon snow and the gang walked) / 56 the minimum flight speed of dragons gives us, 8 hours. So 15 hours for the raven + 8 hours for the dragons gives us 23 hours.
Please take this with a massive grain of salt, all my facts and maths could be totally way off.

That part worked pretty well for me. Really the only part that was iffy was Gendry's run, but they never really established how far from the wall they had gone (they might have zig zagged a bit) so I was okay with that.

 

[1138]

So I've been trying to do a bit of maths in that regards. So Westeros is supposed to be a fictional version of Great Britain with a bit more land mass. Let's say that the distance between Eastwatch and Dragonstone is roughly the same distance between Edinburgh and London which is 414 miles give or take a few extra miles, so let's say 430 miles between Eastwatch and Dragonstone. I did some googling and apparently ravens can fly at a speed of ~28 miles per hour, so 430/28 gives you ~15 hours. Now this is where the maths gets even more fuzzy, not knowing the flight speed of dragons I'm going to assume that they fly at least twice as fast as a raven, so (430 miles to Eastwatch + 20 miles maybe? to where ever jon snow and the gang walked) / 56 the minimum flight speed of dragons gives us, 8 hours. So 15 hours for the raven + 8 hours for the dragons gives us 23 hours.
Please take this with a massive grain of salt, all my facts and maths could be totally way off.

Westeros is actually the size of South America according to a GRRM interview.

 

[my name is ed]

Game of Thrones (2017)

Jon Snow is gonna need to summon Exodia if Westeros is gonna make it

 

[badboy78660]

That Tomound fakeout was genuinely WAY too stressful. Tears right before the Hound saved him. He was terrified.

You and me both. Dragon death didn't do anything for me, but if Tormund was to croak...

 

[zewone]

If the white walkers can't get into the water how did they tied the chain around the dragon?

They were ordered to their death/abandonment underwater.

 

[arts&crafts]

That was a weird episode.

 

[kswiston]

Westeros' size is so ridiculous that I refuse to believe it.
GRRM never had a handle of measurements, the man was shocked when he first saw the Wall and thought it should be shorter.
But he did say 700 ft.

Should be the size of UK or something.

Being the size of Britain makes no sense given the climatic differences between Dorne and north of the wall. Dorne is clearly Spain. North of the Wall is Scandinavia.

 

[OrionX]

I think the directors asked Maisie Williams to play Arya as more sinister and worldly than usual, but the whole thing comes off as forced.

Sophie Turner's performance is something I'm not sure about. Half the time she seems to have reverted back to a younger state, and the other half she's channeling an older woman.

The actors can't seem to settle on how to make these characters into young women.

I thought Maisie was great even though I hate how Arya's acting. I actually found Arya legitimately terrifying during that last scene. I think I was more shook than Sansa.