Nah. Varys was on Suits for a whole season and he is still alive. They just shoot several roles per year.
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Nah. Varys was on Suits for a whole season and he is still alive. They just shoot several roles per year.
At the same time the Bolton's seem determined to kill the Stark boys.
But do the Lannisters know that Bran and Rickon are alive?
I thought just the Boltons and Theon knew. The Boltons seem like the types to withhold that information just for themselves, I wouldn't doubt them to doublecross anybody to save their own skin.
VindicatorZ
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I watched the episode with about 15 people and not one person thought it was rape. First of all, Cersei is a cunt. Secondly, they both started kissing each other in their grieving moment. Jamie escalated it because the guy hasn't got laid in forever, and it seemed to all of us that Cersei was more worried about getting caught than anything. They have had incest sex countless of times, have children together, and were in love. I think it's a stretch to call it rape.
Funky Papa
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Doubt it. Most city states Danny has visited seem to venerate a Sphynx/Siren kind of creature. You can see it at Mereen's walls and on top of Essos' pyramids.
Highly reminiscent of the Mesopotamian Burney Relief.
I don't know, I just assumed because the Bolton's have been conspiring with the Lannisters, and they'd presumably get something for killing the kids at their request, but they could just keep them, but to know they'd be valuable, realistically they'd need to Sansa's escaped too.
Portugeezer
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It was some good ol' fashioned angry sex... to which she objected to (the reason doesn't really matter) so it's rape.
I expect rape in GoT.
Nameless
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Once a shitty person who you had sex with before kisses you, they've officially forgone their right not to be
This post is more disturbing than anything I've seen in Game of Thrones.
VindicatorZ
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I expected a response like this. I'm just saying, she seemed to be worried about getting caught, not anything else. That's what everyone else around me seemed to think too.
Maybe I'll have to rewatch the scene, but it seemed like she stopped fighting it after awhile.
Don't speak too soon. After all, last season Arya was just about to meet her mother and brother before they got killed.
VindicatorZ
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And I highly doubt The Vale will be safe with Little Finger. Arya will know better.
Expected negative reactions to your claim that being a cunt is a good reason to rape someone? How prescient of you.
SolidusDave
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It's kinda funny how everyone who doesn't think it looked like a rape scene is quoted in the same demeaning way as the real victim blamers etc. in those rape news threads.
Implying this person is horrible for not agreeing on that it was rape (despite the fact that it wasn't). Probably because they are all rapists themselves!
Implying this person is horrible for not agreeing on that it was rape (despite the fact that it wasn't). Probably because they are all rapists themselves!
It's not rape if...
The woman is a "cunt"...
There's kissing happening...
Men have needs...
They've had sex before...
They have children together...
They were once in love...
Interesting perspective! Please tell me this is some kind of backwards medieval interpretation and you're deliberately trying to get the inner perspective of the show, lol.
How is that a fact? The showrunner said it's rape, the director said it's rape, what possible reason is there to believe it wasn't on any 'factual' level?
SolidusDave
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I thought the director said it was consensual?
VindicatorZ
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I didn't mean she should get raped for being a cunt. Although Cersei is such a vile person that she deserves to be tortured for awhile and beheaded or something. But that's not the point. Point is, she seemed to be into it. Kissing each other going at it, and then she was worried about getting caught, Jamie said "I don't care" and she seemed to stop fighting it. Seemed liked some good ol fashioned angry sex. Next to their dead son's corpse.
VindicatorZ
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Yeah that's what I meant when I said I expected those type of responses. I'm a horrible disturbing individual if the scene didn't look like rape to me!
Nameless
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Funky Papa
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I love Natalie Dormer dearly, but she was specially sublime in that scene. Impeccable timing.
SolidusDave
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Yeah, sorry. People interpreted the scene differently so there's not point in trying to get the higher morale ground on others. Just my 2 cents.
Cersei is a woman who once said she would meet with the conqueror of her city for a private audience and seduce him to save her own life. She also makes light of rape in the same episode. Yes, Cersei Lannister thinks people getting raped is just a thing that women have to endure. I'll post the scene if you don't believe me.
Imagine if the scene involved Jaime Lannister and Margaery Tyrell. I think perceptions of it would be different.
People don't know how to read the intentions of a woman who uses sex to get what she wants, while engaging in incest and making light of the pain and suffering of other women.
You want an unreliable narrator? Cersei is one. Her ideas about sex are as multi-dimensional as it gets.
Imagine if the scene involved Jaime Lannister and Margaery Tyrell. I think perceptions of it would be different.
People don't know how to read the intentions of a woman who uses sex to get what she wants, while engaging in incest and making light of the pain and suffering of other women.
You want an unreliable narrator? Cersei is one. Her ideas about sex are as multi-dimensional as it gets.
Yeah, that one. Also the same woman whose first words to Sansa Stark included the question "Have you bled yet?" Catelyn immediately looks at her like "Answer the crazy queen before she kills us all."
She's unique among GoT characters.
You said it, lol.
Seriously though, has anyone said this?
For those claiming she only had a problem with the location, so that makes it okay, think of it this way: if your boyfriend/girlfriend wanted to have sex with you, but it was somewhere you were really uncomfortable with (but otherwise wouldn't have minded having sex) and you said no but they said they didn't care and ripped your clothes and got on top of you and starting having sex with you anyway, how would you feel?
I think the scene was really badly shot if it was meant to be consensual, but it's kinda cool that it's provided us with such a good discussion, heh.
We are talking about a show which involves lots of murder and yet people are losing their shit over some lame "rape" scene. Fuck me dead, at least get your priorities straight. Have to wonder where some of you were during Khal Drogo saga, think this forum would have a meltdown in its current state.
Was that intentional? Lol.
I wasn't here for any of the other threads because I only started watching this recently, but I find it hard to believe nobody said anything about Khal Drogo. Perhaps everyone agreed it was rape so there wasnt much discussion to be had? Is the thread still archived somewhere?
You're not really reading the situation correctly at all. No one is offended by the existence of a rape scene in this show, at least from what I've seen in this thread. This is Game of Thrones, it's pretty much par of the course.
It's just been a topic of conversation because a. it quickly undid Jamie's positive character development, and b. more importantly, the confusion over whether or not it was intended to be consensual between Jamie and Cersai. It's not some PC thing that you need to come in and stand up against, that's not needed at all.
I believe it has more to do with the creators saying it wasn't rape and people disagreeing with that, rather than the scene itself.
Nameless
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You're the second or third person to make this point and I'm not sure where it's coming from. Asserting the scene was an example of rape is not the same as complaining about the show depicting rape. Where are all these posts you're talking about?
Fool me twice...
BigJonsson
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Sing a song of sixpence,
A pocket full of rye.
Four and twenty blackbirds,
Baked in a pie.
When the pie was opened,
The birds began to sing;
Wasn't that a dainty dish,
To set before the king?
still wasn't a pie.
SoraanTribal
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lol, that was how I felt as well. For a split second, I thought they were gonna push Joffrey's dead body on the floor to use that table. :|
Nameless
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Hey, Cat was successfully reunited with Ned's severed head. Hope exists!
I'm tired of folks slobbering over Jamie, so I hope this knocks him down a peg or two. Dude tried to push a kid to his death because he got caught fucking his sister, murdered his biggest fan and cousin, and has now raped a grieving woman over their dead son's body. I almost hope he follows Cerci's request to kill Tyrion just for the rage. I don't find anything about his character interesting. Tywin is the only evil bastard worth fawning over.
bengraven
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(imho, if it's a villain you fawn over, i'd consider them an 'anti-hero' on this show...the true villains you hate can suck a cock)
I'm just thinking if the director shot it intending the scene to play out one way, and the showrunner edited it using on the actors most "rapey" takes/before the intended end?
The director confirmed he had final cut.
LOL, he's such a doucher then, there's no way anyone watched that scene and thought it turned consensual toward the end.
Morrigan Stark
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Apparently some people in this very thread did. It boggles my mind really. A woman says "no" and "stop" repeatedly, struggles physically to break free, never once asserts (verbally or non-verbally) anything resembling consent... but it's still not rape? I'm starting to think these people wouldn't consider anything to be truly rape. If you can handwave all of that, you can handwave anything.
That was more of a for-show pie right? I've seen this on those Baking shows where they make an awesome cake but serve something different. I don't think anyone would want bird blood/shit/feathers in their food.
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