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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 4 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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I listened to the first 15 minutes of the latest one, and the woman (who read the books) made at least 2 remarks of something to come out of certain scenes. Already too spoilery for me.
Because Catelyn is a Tully, and she was holding Tyrion as a prisoner.
I might be wrong, but iirc, Tyrion actually named Jamie Lannister as his champion. The court said "lol, it'll take him 2 months to get here, you're just delaying" (I might be paraphrasing), and demanded he be defended by someone on the premises. That's when Bronn stepped up.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Oberyn has to play a part in Tywin's ending. His hype at the moment needs to raise so he can become one of my favorites, he's already very close. Even though that'll likely happen regardless if he saves Tyrion's life if he gets chosen as the champion. On one hand, that would be awesome. On the other hand.. what the fuck HBO marketing team? Season 4 premiere show that Oberyn gets ready to fight someone and episode listing
episode 8 title, The Viper vs The Moutain
It would be very interesting if Oberyn and the Mountain fight, and another fight happens with Brom/Jaime vs whoever is chosen by Tywin/Cersei.
He named him because he knew he would accept to fight for him. It wasn't a demand, more like a polite request. A messenger would have to be dispatched to tell Jamie that his brother was having a trial by combat and if he wanted to volunteer as Champion he would be most welcome.
This had me giggling like a maniac.
Hot Coldman
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That went to places I wasn't expecting. :lol :lol
Zomba13
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I lost my shit when it got to "JAX".
Quick Mustard
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Holy shit, lolol
Intheflorsh
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That's pretty extreme of you if you really think that's too much. Usually she just says she's excited for a future event without ever getting into anything resembling specifics. The other host of the show is borderline neurotic about not getting spoiled.
This is fantastic.
Nemesis121
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I lost it on Sheeva.. hahahahahaha
LegendofDragoonLives
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LMAO!! DEAD
Nameless
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Haha, Jaime as Jax is too fucked up
Hot Coldman
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Sub-Zero is my favourite :lol
Holy shit at "cyrax"
Goddamn, Tyrion is such a fucking badass. I'm gonna be down in the dumps if/when he dies at some point.
Deified Data
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So what's the general consensus on who has the most plot armor at the moment?
The cripple to the north, probably.
My vote is for Samwell Tarley. There's no way in hell that chump should be alive.
DrFaustPhD
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Nor should he be fat anymore. How long was he running around on the other side of the wall? How much food did he have with him? The Gods are surely watching over Sam.
Eric the Red
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Yeah. Conversely, I saw it as one of those, "Wait, was that....NAHHH what am i stupid. What were we talking about again, oh ya..." I just don't see Littlefinger noticing another Stark heir here and doing nothing about it because his plan revolves around controlling the last Stark if Rob falls. Sure maybe he wouldn't tell Tywin but he would at least ask about her, have a spy keep tabs on her, something.
Yeah Arya's not in a safe position but Littlefinger isn't the type of person to leave something like this up to chance.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Dany, Bran & Jon Snow
Deified Data
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I'd answer the same.
I gotta go with Peagles on this one. Sam has no right to be alive right now, he should have gotten wrecked by the White Walker. Only reason he lived was he got lucky and found weapons that worked on the buried in the snow.
ladyluthien
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Guys! guys! Guys! I just got caught up on all of season 4 so far. I can't stop crying!!! :-(
Oh dear god, this cheered me up completely. Now I can't stop laughing.
Oh dear god, this cheered me up completely. Now I can't stop laughing.
ladyluthien
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The whole scene with Tyrion at trial and just seeing the look on his face while every stood up against him.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Holy Shit
Nameless
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I don't agree with the other suggestions at all, but you might have a point here. White Walkers should have iced dude no less than three times, and he probably should have gotten stabbed fleeing Craster's during the mutiny.
It is absolutely Dany. She's the only important character in her area of the world, and if she dies that would be 4+ seasons of material made utterly pointless. She would've had no impact on anything in Westeros.
People I think have plot armour:
Dany
Jon
Bran
Sansa
Arya
I added Arya and Sansa, because Sansa's just been a victim the entire time and hasn't really "reacted" to any of that yet, so it would make her arc pointless if she died before then.
Arya has her list of "doomed men" and has just been flitting between "captors" since Season 2, plus she hasn't done a huge amount yet. Again her arc would be immensely unsatisfying if she died before getting to take out some more people on her list.
Dany
Jon
Bran
Sansa
Arya
I added Arya and Sansa, because Sansa's just been a victim the entire time and hasn't really "reacted" to any of that yet, so it would make her arc pointless if she died before then.
Arya has her list of "doomed men" and has just been flitting between "captors" since Season 2, plus she hasn't done a huge amount yet. Again her arc would be immensely unsatisfying if she died before getting to take out some more people on her list.
The Silver
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I need to see this with the full MK song
Sansa's resolution is going to be so weird to me.
What I want to happen is*, at her lowest point in the story (yes, even lower than now), she is going to take a fucking knife and stab Littlefinger in the eye saving the kingdom or something.
What is really going to happen knowing this show is she's gonna die in a ditch somewhere after she has been the bride to every would be king in Westeros never having taken control of her life again =(
* Well, what I really, really want to happen is:
Dany saves her and they unite forces and have hot, steamy sex in the back of a giant ass dragon
Psychoward
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I definitely think Jon could die, ever since he came back to Castle Black I feel like any plot armor he had was stripped away. Dany, Bran and Arya definitely though.
fredrancour
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It does feel like Dany has some beastly plot armor. There's no way she dies until some more plotlines converge and put a suitable replacement protagonist somewhere close to her.
If Ricken is going to become a real character I could imagine Bran dying and passing on the warg mantle. Bran's probably safe til he makes enough warg-progress to have something meaningful to pass on, though.
I could imagine Jon winding up dead with a replacement nightwatch brother providing our wall-viewpoint eventually. I don't feel like Jon has plot armor so much as "characters horribly dying nonstop is as much of a contrivance as characters surviving indefinitely." It doesn't seem like blatant bullshit to me that he's still alive.The protagonists aren't miracle-workers but neither are their enemies- the story depends on both sides getting screwed over, not just one.
I put sansa in the same shoes- it seems natural to me that she has not died yet, given her circumstances. It would make less sense for her to be dead than it does for her to be alive.
I could imagine Arya's story crossing into "ok seriously how are you still alive" territory eventually but I don't think it's quite there yet so it doesn't feel like plot armor to me either. If the story reaches a point where death would make sense but her death still seems impossible, then I'll call plot armor. For now, there have been enough strong people with interest in keeping her alive for me to not get pissed. I mean, it it really bullshit that a kingsguard member makes a good bodyguard? Or that the faceless man was good at killing?
Death for death's sake screws up a story just as much as making death impossible. I don't consider having situations where death is unlikely to be plot armor. If you kill everybody all the time with no regard for logic you descend into self-parody
Barrage
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Regarding the Trial-By-Combat: Does the accused pick first or the Judge? If Tywin picks first it seems like it'll be
. But, I would love if it got really convoluted if Tyrion picks his champion first, say something like
Oberyn VS The Mountain
Tyrion picks Jaime so that Tywin would have to have either both Lannisters die or none. Tywin somehow forces Bronn, so that way it's Jaime VS Bronn and either way Tyrion loses someone close to him.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Sansa and Arya storylines need to start moving forward and with some direction soon. At this point, Sansa's torture needs to stop happening so much because only Hodor would stay at a standstill. I'm going to guess that Littlefinger or her is going to kill Lysa at like episode 9, then The Hound and Arya find out and leave for Bravos at episode 10? Mostly because the Starks can't seem to fucking have any sort of happy moments. If she goes to Bravos, I really hope it doesn't take half a season or an entire season of her pissing about walking around until she finds Jaaqen. Really though, I do wish that she meets Sansa before that happens if she does go to Bravos... I just don't want to have any hope when it comes to Kings/Queens of the North...Sansa's resolution is going to be so weird to me.
What I want to happen is*, at her lowest point in the story (yes, even lower than now), she is going to take a fucking knife and stab Littlefinger in the eye saving the kingdom or something.
What is really going to happen knowing this show is she's gonna die in a ditch somewhere after she has been the bride to every would be king in Westeros never having taken control of her life again =(
* Well, what I really, really want to happen is:Dany saves her and they unite forces and have hot, steamy sex in the back of a giant ass dragon
Sansa has been learning from the best manipulators in the game other than Varys who she doesn't talk to. Now she's getting 1 on 1 lessons of Littlefinger. I really hope she doesn't stay at Vale and moves back to King's Landing if Tyrion doesn't die. Her interaction with Tyrion would be pretty interesting and maybe she can start becoming more calculated.
sidenote: Can we see Rickon? It would be nice to see him in episode 9 and 10 to get some clarification. Shame he's being ignored entirely, he's a Stark ffs.
Doubt it. Who is Jon Snow's mother? I'm assuming this is going to be some mind bending shit that's going to be revealed book 7 at the end of the series and I'd imagine he won't be killed before the revelation. I don't see him dieing before that revelation happens.
Kit really needs to do a better job acting though, he out of the 25 main characters is the only that puts me off the series. I think season 4 has been good to him though, really the only season. Maybe it's a combination of writing about him as well.
This is way cooler than it has a right to be.
Chie Satonaka
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I'm not sure if I agree with Dany having plot armor, if only because she hasn't been put in any situations yet where she reasonably should have died. They weren't going to kill her in Qarth, and she didn't have to worry about the other Khals coming after her or that other Bloodrider coming after her because Drogo was still alive. Plus he picked a fight with Jorah, and we saw how that ending up. I guess an argument could be made about the dragon bonfire? I dunno. Once she starts dodging arrows in bullet time, I'll be there with you guys.
Sam, however, has themost plot armor ever luck of the gods.
Sam, however, has the
darkazcura
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I really don't understand the hate for Kit around GAF.
Always liked the dude. I like Jon Snow a lot..he's probably my favorite character. Today was the first time I met someone who agreed with me actually. haha- Status