Chiggs
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I've been reading the books and have found her portrayal not-so-appealing, especially when compared to the TV show.
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I've been reading the books and have found her portrayal not-so-appealing, especially when compared to the TV show.
Now I'm 100% convinced that some Dany haters have some sort of worm frolicking about in their brains. Only thing that explains this mess. I wouldn't be surprised if the crowd who keep showing dismay at games with female protagonists (that recent thread with the Guerrilla Games RPG rumour) and the crowd that show incredibly weird Dany hate (where they can't even remember details from the show properly) overlap. Would Dany get this same hate if she had a dick and balls and was named David?
Vulcano's assistant
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Man, two months were not enough. I wonder if people who will binge watch the season in a few months would have less time to form a bond with the character, or the fact that they have him for less time will make it worse.
Well we know he got castrated, but we don't know if they took both his rod and his tackle. Maybe they just took the tackle and he can still go fishing. Not that he could catch anything.
Yes.
Nah, I've already read all the books, so I know the plot. It just seemed like that time could have been better spent elsewhere in the story. Same goes for the molestown scene in the beginning.
ComputerBlue
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That's ridiculous. I love Daeny, but be honest with yourself. She's not an angel. She quite evil.
If she had a dick and balls. How about if she wasn't pretty would she get a pass for what she does?
Fair enough. I got something out of it.
It's not necessarily sexist, Dany is easily a polarizing character. In such a harsh world where people die over the smallest things, here you have a teenager who is entitled beyond belief. It's very easy to dislike her.
Forceatowulf
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The Dany hate each week in this thread is so fucking ridiculous and tired at this point it's bound to become a meme. Comparing her to the vilest Lannisters now, I mean really? Really?!
You don't like her story/character/actress whatever, that's fine. More than fine. But try not jumping the shark with the bullshit.
You don't like her story/character/actress whatever, that's fine. More than fine. But try not jumping the shark with the bullshit.
You could say his resolution was eye-opening.
Oh hell yeah. 90% of people in this show are awful, men and women. If anything, Dany gets a pass for being a beautiful woman. I kinda agree that Dany is at least a little evil. Honestly, I can't think of a claimant to the throne that's good. I like Snow, but he's not after the throne.
Yeah, others have said the same, so I'll have to re-watch the episode again.
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Don't we have people that love Stannis?
BadAss2961
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Khal's rape was just "The Dothraki way." She grew to love him, and even softened him a bit as he grew to love her. Unlike her brother, Khal did nothing but treat her right after she came around to him.
This is exactly how I feel. Honestly it was the most visceral reaction I've had to a death scene in a long time, and I just marathoned the first two seasons of Hannibal. The Red Wedding was a more shocking moment, but the sheer gruesomeness of Oberyn's death is going to stay with me much longer.
Tommie Hu$tle
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1. I think Kings Landing gets a pass due to trial by combat and not straight up murder/assassination.
2. It's not clear to me anyone else heard the confession. In reality the screams probably would have drowned out the Mountain's confession.
Now the if the confession was heard Dorn is now a real player.
What a smashing conclusion!!
MisterGrey3000
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Hopefully long enough to get decapitated, flayed, or roasted alive(preferably by The Hound)
The horrible murdering wildling cannibals ain't got nothing on The Mountain right now. I hate him with a passion.
It blew my mind on how awesome he fought to be honest..
OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather
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Come on, with the way things go down in the world, killing slavers has got to be the least evil kill order a person in position of power has done. Maybe I have wrong definition of evil than most. If she's evil for her actions concerning the slavers, than everyone in this show who wields power is evil. Hell even Arya is evil for killing without the authority of the law. It starts getting absurd.
I agree with criticising her mistakes, and no one is saying she's an angel. But come on, she's the one character I find that people conveniently make up things about. How can anyone watching the show make some of the comments that were in that post? Reluctantly freeing slaves? Keeping people she's freed as her own slaves? Killing anyone that says she's spoiled? That's not just criticizing, that's making things that don't happen up.
Right! His brother! All right, badass brother of the red viper out for motherfucking blood! I can't wait for-
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outlawedprod
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Did Lance Oberyn tug on Superman's cape? =p
that was the one redeeming feature of that episode. hnnnnnng
Braag
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I don't think it's that bad.
I've always rooted for Dany and really liked her up until this episode and how she handled Jorah who has stood by her longer than anyone else... How can she not see that they are just trying to divide them just like Jorah said.
Just shut both eyes, like the Mountain did.
Z..
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"better spent elsewhere in the story"
You're cementing his point that all you care about is the plot. I've read the books as well, and scenes like that one are exactly what make adapting things a worthwhile endeavour. Probably one of the best scenes ever since the show started and it went completely above your head because you're "obsessed" about the plot progression.
The allegory was masterfully crafted. And the delivery was spot on.
Also, Arya's burst of laughter was a standout moment of character development.
ComputerBlue
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Next to Tywin I'm pretty sure she has the biggest kill count. Regardless of who she kills, she's still killing (ordering the kills).
That stuff I'll agree with, but she is very entitled and doesn't have much empathy nor compassion for those she conquers. She's all "I'm a Targaryen and I've got dragons so I should rule Westeros," not thinking about what ruling really means or even if the people really want her to invade and take over. Her entire plot arc is driven by her sense of entitlement and naivete. If she takes over without making big changes then it's not going to turn out well for Westeros.
HoodWinked
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man oberyn made the mountain look like a complete joke.
but as oberyn was standing above him i had a feeling gregor was gonna pull some dirty shit. oberyn's death was pretty nuts something out of god of war (actually i think it was lol)
maybe tyrion doesnt die...
but as oberyn was standing above him i had a feeling gregor was gonna pull some dirty shit. oberyn's death was pretty nuts something out of god of war (actually i think it was lol)
maybe tyrion doesnt die...
gregor dies from the wounds and some technically prevents tyrion from being sentenced to death?
Yeah, she's incredibly awful. The Jorah scene would've been perfect with everyone BUT Emilia/Daenerys shitting up the place. It's jarring how much better everyone around her is at that thing called "acting."
I knew the Oberyn death was coming, but I was secretly hoping the outcome would somehow be different. The show has played out quite a bit differently and I was hanging on to that 0.0001% chance he wouldn't die.
Dinklage proved again he's the best actor on this show with his beetles story. People are insisting Tyrion can't die "because plot." This is the show that stunned everyone by killing off its biggest, most recognizable star and lead character in season 1. Never compromise on the fact that anyone may die at any time, and you won't end up as heartbroken by the horror that is this show.
I can't take it anymore ...
BlackBanditSho
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I thought the episode was pretty darn great. That beetle conversation, though...? ugh. Felt like it was killing time. To me, it didn't feel like foreshadowing, nor was it revelatory about character. It just felt like an insert for two great actors to monologue because they needed to fill a gap. For me, it was one of the few times they've taken a liberty on the show (I don't remember this scene in the books, but I could be wrong), and it didn't necessarily pan out. Normally GoT monologues are fantastic little morsels. The Oberon/Tyrion 'underwhelming' monster monologue was beautiful (and directly from the books).
As someone previously said, I'd have rather they filled the time with a scene of Oberon announcing his intentions to Cersei and Tywin.
Regardless, it's nitpicking. Still a fantastic episode.
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Why the long case?
I was entirely confident that Oberyn had this, and in the moment of his death I was super upset. Now though, I am reminded of why I dislike the show boat characters. Sandor is my favorite because I feel like had he been in the same place as the mountain, he would have had the same, "Get it over with and kill me, or I am going to shut your mouth permanently" type outlook.
The mountain might die, but that finishing combo was awesome.
The mountain might die, but that finishing combo was awesome.
Angry Fork
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She shouldn't be in a position to give people an ultimatum in the first place. And free men/women choose their destiny, make their own decisions, which nobody can do under her 'rule'. Everything is muh laydee, kneeling before Zod the imperialist.
For Daenerys to be good to me she would need to
A. Learn to take up a sword and fight with her armies she claims she cares about so much. Remember she's not on some humanitarian journey, this is all about her supposed 'right' to a throne. If she could get her throne back without freeing slaves she'd do it in a heart beat and leave them in the cages to rot.
B. Stop giving orders on things she knows nothing about, and everyone allowed to have control over their own lives.
C. No more aristocratic titles/slave terms forced on those "below" her.
D. Eat, sleep, and shit in the same areas her slaves do (I mean the "free" men that must do everything she says or risk crucifixion). No fancy clothes, pampers and towers that someone else got for her.
Ideally none of this would be needed if she simply stopped acting like she deserved a right to any throne. Then she'd just be a normal person, which of course is much too degrading and unfathomable for those of the lucky classes, so that can't happen.
Arya and Brienne are 2 of my fav characters. Like I said, I'm convinced the love for Daenerys is based on misplaced feminism rather than actually looking at her character as it is.
And Stannis is basically Daenerys with a dick and balls, and I hate him too.
How do people not find this morally repugnant. After she came around to him, not rape rape, just rape.
But I'm a sexist if I don't defend Daenerys right to capitulate to such evil? Does this make any sense? lol
The best feminist heroes on this show are Arya and Brienne, and they deserve every bit of it. Daenerys is as much an entitled brat as Joffrey.
Unrelated but I'm happy we're getting lots of time in The Eyrie this season. Probably my favorite set on the show.
ComputerBlue
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It was a foreshadowing though, because the fight answered their question as to why their cousin did it.
BigJonsson
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Cloud Strife
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I physically can't even rewatch the final scene. My heart is beating so fucking fast. Shit.
Maybe not. The rule most likely is whoever dies first is the loser.
vinnygambini
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I need therapy. Episode was too much.
Everyone is dying left and right. I can't
Everyone is dying left and right. I can't
Great episode, didn't see that coming at all, wow. Genuinely shocked
I hope we get to follow up with The Mountain next week and see what happens to him. I don't think Tywin will be happy with what he said at the end there since he's always been very keen on keeping those things out of people's minds.
Poor Jorah. He finally says he loves her at the worst possible moment and now he's going away. Maybe Stannis can pick him up along the way back to Westeros.
Also, I really hope I get to see Tywin die this season like I've been half-predicting, half-begging for because as much as I like his badassery, his death would really accelerate a lot of character plots and would hopefully lead to Cersei's downfall as well. The foreshadowing has been there earlier this season and it just makes sense for the story, but I'm really hoping it's not something that will happen next season. We need to balance out the deaths again...
Poor Jorah. He finally says he loves her at the worst possible moment and now he's going away. Maybe Stannis can pick him up along the way back to Westeros.
Also, I really hope I get to see Tywin die this season like I've been half-predicting, half-begging for because as much as I like his badassery, his death would really accelerate a lot of character plots and would hopefully lead to Cersei's downfall as well. The foreshadowing has been there earlier this season and it just makes sense for the story, but I'm really hoping it's not something that will happen next season. We need to balance out the deaths again...
I thought the whole beetle speech between Tyrion and Jaime was a sort of allegory for how the gods seemed to consider mortals. Considering right before they were speaking about how a trial by battle was a way of finding out which side the gods were on. In this case the gods were the simpleton and the beetles men as they seem to stamp out lives with no rhyme or reason.
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