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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 4 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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Whatever is wrong with Joffery didn't carry over to Myrcella and Tommen. You could tell in the first episode that they genuinely liked their uncle Tyrion as much as he liked them.
On a related side note, Tyrion having Myrcella marry into the Martells clearly hasn't smoothed things over with them.
On another related note, Mycella(Aimee Richardson) has grown up too. =O
https://vine.co/u/983123573034393600
On a related side note, Tyrion having Myrcella marry into the Martells clearly hasn't smoothed things over with them.
On another related note, Mycella(Aimee Richardson) has grown up too. =O
her vine account to see some of her hijinks:
https://vine.co/u/983123573034393600
IIRC it was something along the lines of "it's like flipping a coin with a 50/50 chance the child will be crazy".
Does anyone remember if this song was used in season 3?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni2uJxmk_LY
PS: Never read YouTube comments during Game of Thrones season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni2uJxmk_LY
PS: Never read YouTube comments during Game of Thrones season.
Episode 2 when Cat learns about Winterfell
Steelyuhas
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Yeah it's pretty common for child and teenage actors to be a few years older than their character.
For you guys wondering about why Joffrey turned out so cruel and twisted, in S2E09 The Blackwater, Cersei says to Sansa that fear and intimidation are the greatest weapons a ruler has on their people. Since Joffrey is a pretty big mummys boy, it's fairly safe to say he took this season in at a very early age and uses it often.
Nope, "Dark Wings, Dark Worlds" doesn't play in Season 3 (or 1 & 2) at all.
Perhaps a variant does, but that track is completely absent.
Liquidsnake
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Thanks man.
Nameless
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*Googles*
Just as I have a reason to like her Tywin will probably have her hanged.
Thanks for the input on Joffrey everyone, I guess it's just a personal thing for me to need a better explanation. The pregnant cat thing certainly goes a way to satisfying my need for better reasoning, so maybe there's more proper psychological evidence in the books (I probably should read them).
Nameless
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It'll be interesting to see how Jaime and Cersei come to grips with their unleashing a monster on Westeros. We've seen Cersei struggle with this a little in past seasons, and while part of her apprehensiveness towards Jaime is in part due to shame after Stannis revealed their secret to the Kingdoms, she mostly fears bringing another Joffrey into the world.
Similarly, Jaime didn't reject lordship of Casterly Rock only to be near Cersei, he also feels an obligation to stay close to Joffrey and hopefully prevent him from running amuck.
Similarly, Jaime didn't reject lordship of Casterly Rock only to be near Cersei, he also feels an obligation to stay close to Joffrey and hopefully prevent him from running amuck.
I found that scene with Jaime, Joffrey and Ser Meryn really great.
Joffrey insulting his father without even knowing it. I wonder how he would react if he knew, he'd probably have Cersei and Jaime executed.
The actor who plays Ser Meryn is actually really good too.
Well Joffrey has heard the rumors, and he looks in the mirror, so in that sense he does know.
alex chilton
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So it seems like almost everybody on the show knows that Cersei and Jaimie boned. I can't remember but has Tywin or Joffrey ever mentioned it and what did they say about it?
Joffrey asked his mother which end up leading him to sent killers after the bastards of Robert. Tywin discussed it with Lady Olenna Tyrell.
And everybody knows it because Stannis sent a letter to every lord.
Matt_
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Tywin mentioned it when telling Cersei to marry Loras, to put an end to all the disgusting rumours.
Joffrey knows as well because he gave out the order to kill all the bastards (I think, either him or cersei) and he said something to Cersei about it, but I forget what
They both know. Joffrey probably thinks it's ridiculous, and even if Tywin did believe in it he's smart enough to realise that it has to be rebutted at every corner else his family looses any claim to the throne and their reputation
Nameless
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I think he knows or atleast suspects the truth. Remember Stannis sent ravens to each kingdom claiming Joffrey had been born of incest. And when he refuses to have Sansa saved from the mob, Tyrion tells him she is the key to getting Jaime back and something to the effect of, "You do owe him a great deal, you know".
But Joffrey could also be in denial about the whole thing. I sure as hell wouldn't bring it up around him.
Tywin knows, but can't admit it. Recall his conversation with Olenna.
Definitely. But the age gap must have grown since it's four years since they first started filming but (I think) less time than that has passed on the show. Bran and Sansa seem to have both gotten a foot taller in that time.
http://www.vulture.com/2012/04/game-of-thrones-kid-actor-problem.html
Definitely. But the age gap must have grown since it's four years since they first started filming but (I think) less time than that has passed on the show. Bran and Sansa seem to have both gotten a foot taller in that time.
http://www.vulture.com/2012/04/game-of-thrones-kid-actor-problem.html
Phoenician_Viking
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I just re-watched season 2 and there´s one thing that is bothering me. Why doesn´t Stannis send his daughter/shadow assassin to kill the Lannisters? It does not make sense that he can kill his brother very easily while he does not try to assassinate the Lannisters.
Those fucking eyes. I despise this character
Is a single-use rare item.
Also for the Lannisters he made the leeches curse (remember when they captured Gendry?)
Creating another shadow would kill him according to the Red Woman. That's why they went and got Gendry. Also, she had to go and give birth pretty close to where Renly was hanging out if I remember correctly. I'm not sure how far those shadows can travel.
Phoenician_Viking
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Matt_
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Pretty much what other people have said.
He needed Renly out of the way because he needed Renly's troops. With him it would only be the one kill then he would have the army he needed to overthrow the Lannisters.
To get the iron throne he would have needed to kill not only Joffrey, but Tommen and Mycella too and neither of them were in Kings Landing at the time. Getting Joffrey off the throne only to have Tommen (who would be far easier to control) take it would probably make things harder for Stannis in the long run
Nameless
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God damn right
I've always served thieves according to their deserts, as you well know, Ser Davos. Joffrey, Renly, Robb Stark, they're all thieves. They'll bend the knee or I'll destroy them.
God damn right
I've always served thieves according to their deserts, as you well know, Ser Davos. Joffrey, Renly, Robb Stark, they're all thieves. They'll bend the knee or I'll destroy them.
Love his "nope" to Shireen when she asks if he won the Blackwater battle. I'm sure there's a gif hovering around but I can't find it.
Morrigan Stark
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Two significant differences that come to mind is that they are younger, and most of all, they weren't groomed to become the king so they probably weren't as spoiled and entitled.
Fixed for accuracy.
Stevie Gerrard
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I think it's more interesting that Joffrey was simply born with psychopathic tendencies (probably attributable to incest, the coinflip of normal or fucked up as talked about in the show). These were enabled by his doting mother letting him do what he wanted, Cersei loved Joffrey as all she had in the world (from the conversation between her and Tyrion in S3E10), and this led to him being spoilt and entitled. More recently by Margery encouraging him in order to gain his trust, leading to the crossbow scene in S3E6. But you couldn't say these are the cause of his psychopathy, it was always there they just allowed it to flourish.
It's a good contrast with Arya's "nurtured" bloodlust, where horrific circumstances in her childhood directly cause her to change from a strong-willed girl who will do whatever it takes to protect herself and her friends into someone who is apparently starting to enjoy killing people.
It's a good contrast with Arya's "nurtured" bloodlust, where horrific circumstances in her childhood directly cause her to change from a strong-willed girl who will do whatever it takes to protect herself and her friends into someone who is apparently starting to enjoy killing people.
Steelyuhas
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Ha, fair enoughFixed for accuracy.
robotzombie
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If a book reader happens to be reading this, can someone please PM me. I got an accidental spoiler from a friend, but I don't think its that big a deal in the grand scheme of things, so I just want to confirm with someone that it's not so bad that I was spoiled on it.
Edit: I'm all good now, thanks to those who responded!
Edit: I'm all good now, thanks to those who responded!
Nameless
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The scene where Sansa is eating dinner with Cersei, Tomen, and Mycella stuck out on rewatch. The subject of the war comes up and Tomen asks if Joffrey will kill Sansa's brother. Cersei asks him if he would like that and carefully studies her son. Tomen considers the question for a moment and solemnly replies no. Cersei just smiles, half proud and mildly relieved.
Then again she also described Joffrey as a "happpy child", so it could be something that's rears its head during the hormonal chaos of adolescence.
Good comparison. It's actually refreshing to see a character find a sense of satisfaction and catharsis in vengeance. In far too many revenge stories the character seeking it tends to find nothing but an ever deepening pit of emptiness or despair. It'll be interesting to see if she's able to keep her thirst for blood focused on those who've wronged her and her love ones. So far I see no reason to doubt she will.
Ultimadrago
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This is true and blue; what a refreshing buildup it is. I recalls Maisie Williams saying on more than one occasion that she is uncertain whether Arya will keep her popular status with show watchers because of her "dark turn". But thus far, as I had guessed, this has worked contrary to her assumption (speaking for myself). Arya is turning into exactly what I wanted since earlier in Season 1 and I hope it continues.
As a sole show watcher, I don't know what's the near future holds for her yet, but I like where she's going so far in terms of having small victories in revenge and finding a comfort zone with feeding the Red God.
Jaime had a dad who cared about him though. Robert couldn't be bothered. I don't think incest is a good enough justification. It's Cersei's absolute shit job at raising him, and Robert's complete disdain towards his mother, that I think makes him into the monster he is.
Not sure what 'justification' you really need. He was raised like shit. Incest didn't do that, being an entitled brat did that. There doesn't have to be some singular dark event in his life, just a kid with no boundaries that was already an asshole. We've seen plenty of monsters in our own history that got away with atrocities because of the priviledge they were born into.
Arkos
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jazz remix of the GoT theme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDvt5q6bt1s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDvt5q6bt1s
So, so bad.
Nameless
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Surely some fans will be taken aback by a little girl killing for pleasure, but as long as her victims continue to be rotten despicable people Arya's popularity should hold steady. My tastes typically skew toward morally gray, even blackish characters anyway, as they're usually the most intresting. So yeah, her arc leading to a dark place is a very welcomed sight from an already beloved character.
As far as the near future, Arya & The Hound in The Vale would be fun. But with this show there's no guarantee they'll make it there. As long as she has the coin a reunion with Jaqen(and assassin training) could be right around any corner.
Well Tywin loathed Tyrion and he didn't turn into a murderous demon imp. Like I said, Joffrey's up bringing and his environment are substantial factors, but nature & nurture are working in tandem. His narcissism fuels his psychopathy and vice versa. Telling him he can't do something atrocious does nothing but feed his desire to do it even more. Margaery's the only person to understand this. When Joffrey mused about making homosexuality punishable by death, she doesn't fight him on it, she strokes his ego, telling him it's his kingly right to do whatever he pleases and he drops it completely.
Daddy issues etc.. compound things, but the show has given enough evidence to reliably peg incest as the root cause of Joffrey's evil nature.
BurnOutBrighter
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Only Game of Thrones can make you feel indignant about a woman refusing to have sex with her brother.
bengraven
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Is it sad that I knew this for over 10 years?
When I first got Limewire, back in like 2002 there was some buzz about a porn star from Germany who was becoming a serious actress. Ten years later I saw Shae and was like "oh crap, I jerked it to Shae for years..." haha
Nameless
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Haha, truth. It's also the only show that makes you encourage child murderers. When The Hound was getting stomped out I was SCREAMING for Arya to pick up a sword and cheered when she listened.
Ultimadrago
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In the middle of a rewatch and Margaery Tyrell (Natalie Dormer) is still a real-life Disney Princess in my eyes. As in actually looks like she is a Disney created princess...I think it's the smile.
Knew of her since the Limewire days? Holy crap. lol
Knew of her since the Limewire days? Holy crap. lol
Nameless
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Watch Tudors. Thank me whenever.
Nameless
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Old?
Lego Varys is amazing!
Psychoward
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[Insert something about thirst here]
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