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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 5 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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ComputerBlue
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Right, Ramsay is only Lord.
Still holds true to the fact that in their opinion she's no longer needed as the last presumed surviving Stark.
I don't think that's how it works. The Boltons already had Winterfell and ruled the North thru conquest. But they wanted Sansa as a wife to give them some legitimacy in the eyes of the local people. I think that if they kill her or obviously mistreat her, that goes out the window.
ComputerBlue
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Yeah, makes sense. Thanks.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Right, it's an example of how they both survive, but also how they resonate with one another. For Reek, Sansa is the closest root to original Theon there is, and is now a constant in his day to day life. Seeing her subjected to extreme cruelty is a new stimulation and how he reacts to that (or lack of) is obviously now part of his arc. It's not like last episode where Ramsay taunted Sansa with the fact Theon took Winterfell, and now he's nothing; now it's just purely sadistic torture of the both of them, mentally and physically. If there's any salvation left in Theon, this path could be the catalyst to ignite it, as the familiar human element gives him reason.
I disagree with reading this scene as Sansa being a little shit. I think her attitude was warranted in that scene, and I remember thinking Sansa was being rightfully curt against a woman who, while maybe trying to be nice, was actually being really presumptuous.
Maybe not you, but I know the quickest way to get on my bad side is to try to infer to me what my mother may or may not have approved of.
wat
Ramsey isn't lord of anything. He is the heir to winterfell. They need her as a stark because none of the vassal houses support their rule. Those houses will only support a Stark. That hasn't changed
vas_a_morir
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Lol... a flesh wound by Oberyn's protege! RIP, enjoy your poisoning.
Nameless
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When Sansa marries Tyrion, Joffrey threatens to come to their chambers after Tyrion passes out and rape her while Ser Meryn holds her down. He doesn't obviously; as bad as Joffrrey was he did blow a lot of smoke & hot air. This is nothing like her time with Joffrey. It's 100x worse and that's what we saw tonight. Sometimes things go from bad to fucking horrible.
ginger ninja
Banned
Got is fan fiction at this point, the difference being it's grr approved this time.
ComputerBlue
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Man, I'm confused here.
Wouldn't marrying her make him Lord of Winterfell? Since his father is the warden of the north? or was he already Lord of Winterfell and would have been without the marriage. I get why he married her, but speaking of title alone. Is he not Lord of Winterfell?
There's still the question of how much Littlefinger knows about Ramsey's sadism. He knew, and so did Sansa, that she was going to have to have sex with him. And I think they both assume she will be kept physically safe apart from that because a dead Sansa Stark is of no use to the Boltons. But I don't think he guessed that Ramsey would have Theon in the room on their wedding night as a way to humiliate them both, or whatever other bizarre plans he might have.
Evil_Silver
Banned
I love how people always complain about the sex and rape in this show but never the violence, the child killing, people being beheaded, or the RED FUCKING WEDDING!
toastyToast
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Come on man, that's bs and you know it. People just stopped complaining about that recently.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Oh shit.
Next week is Memorial Day, don't most shows skip airing that weekend?
Are we waiting 2 weeks for the next episode?
Next week is Memorial Day, don't most shows skip airing that weekend?
Are we waiting 2 weeks for the next episode?
Nameless
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True. But despite all the pep talks he knew he was sending them to a traitorous house with as violent a past as there is.
RoninChaos
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Right. No one complained about the red wedding. Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
No the idea is that their son, when he comes of age, would be the legitimate lord of winterfell. In the meantime, Roose bolton remains the illegitimate lord of winterfell.That was Tywin's plan with Tyrion (he spells this out when complaining that Tyrion doesn't want to rape Sansa)
Tainted
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No .. Episode 7 is scheduled to air the same time next week
Was just about to post the same thing after John Oliver mentioned he is off. I remember when they gave us the memorial day episode on hbogo a week later. I can't deal with a 2 week wait, ffs
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Red Wedding was the best thing to happen to this show/series.
Absolutely destroyed and settled a whole story arc in brutal efficiency and out of nowhere.
Why would anyone bitch about Red Wedding?
Absolutely destroyed and settled a whole story arc in brutal efficiency and out of nowhere.
Why would anyone bitch about Red Wedding?
ComputerBlue
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TheContact
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Theon is going to snap one day and kill Ramsay and save Sansa. At least that's what I hope to see happen.
Evil_Silver
Banned
How is it BS when it is the main complaint I hear about this show? Who cares if it stopped recently. Plus, it probably only stopped recently because there has not been as much erotic sex scenes as previous seasons. It is almost always the major complaint I hear from people. "Aaah it's like a porno." "Why do they have to show that uughh?" Game of Thrones takes place in a absolutely brutal world and horrible things like this can happen.
He also knew that Roose is a smart man though. Both Littlefinger and Roose know how important Sansa alive and well is to the Bolton's.
Littlefinger probably figured Roose would have Ramsey tamed.
Evil_Silver
Banned
Yeah sure people complained. However, you can't honestly tell me that people complain more about things like the red wedding than the sex.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Littlefinger set Sansa up to be a pawn in the assassination of the king, where she could have easily been decapitated if the fat drunk was thirty seconds late.
He's playing her like everyone else, he gives no shits for her.
I think, but I am not sure, it is due to Sansa being a woman and not being able to inherit winterfell herself
Well no one complained that it was done for no reason.
Vire
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Rape is violence...
Second, people went nuts over the pregnant stabbing in the red wedding.
Third, there are a million different ways they could have taken Sansa's storyline, instead we are told the same tired abuse story for her time and again for nothing other than pure shock value. Except at this point it isn't shocking anymore, it's just angering and tiresome.
Every significant stride the character makes is met with two steps backwards. I feel like the show is running in circles and I'm sick of it.
Evil_Silver
Banned
Do you think Littlefinger genuinely cared for Catelyn? I always wondered if he really did.
Nameless
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Sorta the same thing here. They spent all that time setting up Robb's hero journey and Arya reuniting with her family and it all came crashing down abruptly. People were threatening to quit the show just like they are now.
As hard as it is to watch sometimes, I appreciate the way the Thrones continually subverts expectations.
Valkyr Junkie
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Littlefinger must be getting ready to turn his plan up to 11 now that he knows the Tyrells are about to be enemies with the Crown and Lannisters.
Still waiting for that sweet, sweet Reekdemption.
Still waiting for that sweet, sweet Reekdemption.
well they did probably kill bronn, one of the best characters on the show :-/
but yes, they're awful. bad acting, bad action, bad accents, bad motives. just terrible. From Oberyn, who was wonderful, to this trash
vas_a_morir
Banned
They are cuties, though!
toastyToast
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Abhorrent stuff gets that kind of reaction. Look at the last thread with Oberyn's death. I'm sure that'll reverberate way longer than this. It was almost exactly the same "this is sick"/"torture porn" stuff applied in a different context. People don't live in violence and filth (most gaffers I'd assume), we live in relative peace and civilisation. There's nothing normal about this stuff and some will have more extreme reactions than others.
They got a hit in on Bronn who the show usually makes look invincible.
TheContact
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Just realized that littlefinger played the hell out of Sansa. This is one long con
Stevetopsy
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I have to agree with the fatigue of watching Sansa. After her going dark at the end of season 4 I thought there would be a noticeable change in her demeanor or in how she handled situations. She's literally the same timid and tortured girl being married to Ramsey as she was when being married to Tyrion. Something, anything... pleaaaase happen in her story that isn't total shit for her.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Speaking of which, I randomly remembered Roberts bastard has been AWOL for like two seasons now.
I like to think he's still out there someone in the sea, rowing to this very day.
Short hair one is cutest
I like to think he's still out there someone in the sea, rowing to this very day.
Short hair one is cutest
Evil_Silver
Banned
Is the story done? Who knows where this is all going. Plus I like it this way. No one is safe and really bad things can happen to anyone. I'm assuming all of these events are leading up to a certain climax, but George Martin likes his little twists, turns, and shock moments.
You have to understand that in the universe of this show, that's kind of what goes down during arranged marriages. It's actually more awkward in other shows like The Tudors. Since they have to "consummate the marriage", their entire families would stand around the bed to watch the newlyweds fuck for the first time. Most of the time it was a younger woman with a horny old man, but she had to suck it up (no pun intended).
how did you get her being tame or timid from this episode? Did you miss the scene where she put Miranda in her place? yeah, she was nervous about losing her virginity -- as she was after marrying Tyrion. I feel like putting up with this bullshit is a display of her strength. seducing ramsey was always part of the plan, as discussed with littlefinger
It's got lost in all the controversy, but I thought Tyrion telling Jorah about his dad was really sad.
Yeah, but they didn't kill Bronn and Jaime and 50 of the palace guards so they can't be any good.
Yeah, but they didn't kill Bronn and Jaime and 50 of the palace guards so they can't be any good.
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