Ok and? Even if I were to agree that an even younger season 1 Sansa Stark was a little shit (which I don't), what relevance does it have here? What point are you trying to concoct? I hope it's not what I think it is...
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Ok and? Even if I were to agree that an even younger season 1 Sansa Stark was a little shit (which I don't), what relevance does it have here? What point are you trying to concoct? I hope it's not what I think it is...
Naughty_Doge
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I mean, what did you guys expect to happen at the wedding night? Especially after she married a psycho?
Boltons are good PR for the Lannisters.
My point is that because she got raped you're now pretending like she was a different character in season 1.
And no, I'm not saying she deserved to get raped because of that. Nice try.
toastyToast
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This is karma for her being a whiny little kid years after the fact. Good thing we're talking about a fictional character because holy shit.
It's a visual medium. You can tell stories in any number of way, but they wanted to hit a nerve.
*Ramsay tears bodice*
"Theon you stay... and close the door."
*door clicks*
END OF EPISODE
Or whatever. I'm not writing the most expensive show on TV. I don't need to know how to cook a steak to know if I like one or not.
Gets the same thing doen without dwelling on some upsetting shit for the sake of dwelling on it. The show has done this before. It's not without precedent. The subtext of the way this was presented was just really winky and dorky to me. It didn't even have internal consistency. "Take your close off. Don't disobey me--- oh whatever, just bend over. Turns out I'm not that big of a control freak"
I'm not saying other people should agree with me. I'm saying it's not outrageous to think it was BIT much.
Theon's character? It's pretty obvious that this is going to be his breaking point to finally snap out of his pathetic slave shell. Again, you have to wait and see what happens. Characters need screen time to develop just like plot does, and we haven't seen anymore than a strong focus on how appalled Theon looked. It's obvious setup.
I don't agree with any suggestion that Sansa deserved to be raped because she was a little shit -- but I am curious as to why you don't think she was a little shit in Season 1. That was reinforced time and time again. Remember the butcher's boy?
There is barely any difference between what they went with and what you suggest. Instead of showing a closed door they showed Theon's face. I don't see the material difference (at least not in the way you are suggesting -- I do think showing theon's face was important)
Evil_Silver
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I just wish the fight scenes were a little better in this show.
MetalFearSolid
Banned
Can't believe I hate a character more than Joffrey. Ramsay Bolton u must die a painful death.
Shining Sunshine
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God damn that was a good ep.
Much better than that boring last week.
Much better than that boring last week.
BananasWithGuns
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I agree with the bit about showing Theon's face. It was a pretty powerful moment in my opinion. Of course it helps that Alfie Allen's acting on the show is incredible.
It's pretty much guaranteed. As much as everyone points out the horrible treatement of the good guys, most of the sadistic bad guys have met equally impressive deaths
The Dorne scene was really bad.
Evil_Silver
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I completely agree with you. I cringed a little.
CountAntonius
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When Jofferey died how he did so abruptly early in the season I almost felt robbed . Like I felt like they robbed me of a proper death even though he had a brutal slow onscreen death I don't think I was prepared for him to be gone. They filled in that role admirably with Ramsey. He's more sadistic but also a lot more entertaining on screen. Jofferey was just an out of control brat.
In my version of the show it dwelled on her face crying as she was... being raped... You know... to let the audeince know she disliked rape and that rape is super serious. Using the wonderful magic of the cinematic language.
Don't forget the dorky "You watched her grow up" line. JUST IN CASE YOU FORGOT AUDIENCE! THIS RAPE IS FOR YOU, lol. God. It's Walking Dead level cheese.
Again, people can feel free to enjoy it. I'm not calling you monsters, but jeezus was it not artfully handled in my oppinion. The only thing that bugs me is the implication that people who thought it was too much are just completely out of line.
EDIT: People may be confused, I think the execution was tacky and poorly written/acted/shot. I wasn't saying the plot point was off limits. Just that it was really cheesey and pver-the-top. Teary eyed Theon and all.
Agree. This isn't pointless.
And it's totally believable that Tommen would do nothing. King of the Realm by birth at this point, but he's not mentally there at all yet. Why are only two kingsguard in the room with half a dozen or more zealots with weapons?
Succinct Verbosity
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It's been pretty obvious since the end of season 2 that the citizens of kings landing were suffering from a lack of food and prosperity, which was why the Tyrell's agricultural support was just as valuable as their armies of finances. The Tyrells could easily cut off their supplies if the fanatics do anything, and at this point it wouldn't surprise me if they do. Afterall, the high sparrows claim to care about the cities poor, but if they are willing to make them suffer to punish the Tyrells then I can envision a scenario where the masses turn on the ruling parties in the cities and side with the house that's actually supllying them with the things they need.
Because, in my opinion, those sparse sassy moments from Baby Sansa weren't the defining notes of her character. I interpreted Sansa as being a young, naive girl who believed she would be queen and tried to act like it. Sansa, overall, has always been depicted as calm, meek, and helpless.
Those sparse moments of her being bratty aren't enough to permanently cast her as "a little shit" if all that came of it were less than a handful of sassy comments that resulted in no real harm done to anyone.
The silly costumes didn't help
Yeah. I felt like the whole episode was poorly directed. The Dorne fight scene was messy and without tension. I mean shit... we didn't even see Dorne.
Though I thought the Arya stuff was well handled. I liked the shot of the dark hallway with the weird color grading.
Wasn't she in the mindset that either Stannis would take Winterfell and she'd be free or that the Boltons would win and she would have to give birth to Ramsey's child. Living the rest of her life as a captive but raising the future Warden of the North to be a decent person.
Hopefully this motivates her into taking a more active role and tries seeking revenge on the Boltons.
At the turtle rate this season is going, I think Tyrion will meet Daenerys by the season finale. And the Roose/Stannis fight will be the penultimate episode.
I can sometimes taste the stretched material, but it's still an okay season. I like the development of the Tyrion/Jorah broship (probably won't last long unfortunately).
Also, Cersei is still dumb as shit.
I can sometimes taste the stretched material, but it's still an okay season. I like the development of the Tyrion/Jorah broship (probably won't last long unfortunately).
Also, Cersei is still dumb as shit.
MetalFearSolid
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I mean is it possible to think that like Theon, Sansa will develop a Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, the psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with the captors. I mean she survived Joffrey's tortures but Ramsay is even worse.
Fuck this is so sad, fuck you Littlefinger,fuck you Ramsay and fuck you Theon. Theon is officially dead (as of right now the mental side), no way he can be restored mentally to somewhat what he use to be he is a broken man.
I think all the Starks will die, look at the track record. So sad cause I love that family.
Fuck this is so sad, fuck you Littlefinger,fuck you Ramsay and fuck you Theon. Theon is officially dead (as of right now the mental side), no way he can be restored mentally to somewhat what he use to be he is a broken man.
I think all the Starks will die, look at the track record. So sad cause I love that family.
But dude they cut to her face and then Theon's! THAT SHIT IS ART.
sik witted
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well said!
Rape is horrible, no doubt, but I felt that that scene (or something along those lines of Sansa being treated poorly) was necessary for plot. First, we all know the Boltons are asshats, but Ramsey hasn't done much to be a villain to Sansa. We knew something was coming. This seems like it is setting the stage for her to stop being a pawn, become a player and take her revenge, but revenge is going to be much, much sweeter if its really personal.
but then again, for all I know she will die the next episode from a stray arrow.
Second, I feel like GRRM and the showwriters are just keeping it real. I imagine women in feudal times, even ones with seemingly important titles, were treated like absolute shit and endured all sorts of tragedies. It's cruel, its heartless, its sickening, but maybe especially because it reminds us of our not-so-distant history of how societies have treated women. And most of those women probably never got their up and comings. And maybe Sansa won't either. That's what makes the show exciting to me, because its rarely relying on old troupes.
I do agree that Sansa has been a little deft at learning to play "the game"...outside about lying to protect littlefinger about Lysa's trip n' fall - it seems she has just kinda been rolling with the punches. I was really hoping the last episode, when she was in the crypt with littlefinger and he bids her adieu, she would have grabbed him and gave a big loving kiss or something. Not because she loves him, but to show she's learning to leverage what power she has to her advantage, knowing he may be her only way out of this mess, to "play" him (turn the tables on the master playa!) to ensure he will come back. But nah, she just kinda stood there and muttered some things.
And maybe Sansa never gets this "character arc" that everyone so desperately wants. Maybe her part in this story is just to contrast with Arya and show us that in this world, those who aren't bold enough to take power or make their own just constantly get the shaft. Literally in this case.
Too soon?
I agree that this has not been a weak season. There has been a lot of plotting and maneuvering, but for me its been exciting. The dialogue this last episode was phenomenal - I was yelling "OH SNAP" about every two minutes (yeah I know, watching with me is a nightmare). It seems to me some people won't be satisfied unless there is a major battle and a main character getting killed off every episode. I feel like the last season was intense with that stuff, this season is taking a minute to catch its breath, develop some characters and plotlines, before shiz hits the fan again.
This show can seem slow, but its like tantric sex man, gotta get that insane build up for any real payoff. Too many of ya'll are two pump chumps!
And let's hope for Sansa's sake that Ramsey was too 
it seems like we'll enter next season with Tyrion serving Denerys, Stannis consolidating an army in the north, and Kings Landing in further chaos
yep, once that cult finds out about Cersei's incest, it's game over.
Evil_Silver
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All I know is, shit is gonna go down in episode 9.
CountAntonius
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By Killing Stannis after he saves everyone from the Boltons which in turn leaves the north with no one to stand up to little finger and his Knights of the Vale.
Naughty_Doge
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Shouldn't they know already? Half the city "knows" of Cercei holding relations with her brother, hence everyone yelling at Tommen, calling him an abomination.
Angry Fork
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I think there's a chance Theon could become Theon again, but I agree with the other posts that this show never flat out gives you want you want. Maybe Joffrey's death, I can't think of anything else off the top of my head.
Also little finger's constant manipulation is amazing. I'll be disappointed if his story ends as a random death.
Worst character on the show by far. I can't stand her and have hated her since season 1 but I'm assuming she's going to live and be important throughout the rest of the series which is annoying.
Would be very cool if something like this happened.
Also little finger's constant manipulation is amazing. I'll be disappointed if his story ends as a random death.
Worst character on the show by far. I can't stand her and have hated her since season 1 but I'm assuming she's going to live and be important throughout the rest of the series which is annoying.
Would be very cool if something like this happened.
That's why i'm thinking but I wonder after it is all said and done, will Brienne go after Arya again or will she go after Bran?
You still think Stannis is going to survive this season? Even if Brienne doesn't kill him (my theory), Lord Baelish just got 'permission' from Cersei to march the knights of the Eyrie on Winterfell to kill whoever wins that battle
She doesn't know or care that Bran is alive. Her vow was to bring back Arya and Sansa
I think the only people that know Bran and Rickon are still alive are:
- Theon
- Ramsay
- Roose Bolton
- Jon Snow
- Samwell Tarley
- Osha, Hodor, etc.
- The Umbers, if Rickon ever made it there
Roose and Ramsay aren't even sure since they never heard from Locke again
It's bizarre -- they haven't shown him since. Also that bit about the red priestess in Volantis never went anywhere.
I presume they are 'passing time' so he can believably show up in Meereen
Also, I don't think this has been discussed but Volantis is where Robb's wife was from
Going to be like Fullmetal Alchemist. We'll get the GoT remake that follows the books strictly in 10 years.
Considering Theon's character ark, I would bet that he tells Sansa that her brothers are alive by the end of the season.
Brienne rescues Sansa (or tries to), tells them of the last whereabouts of Bran.
Yes....Crow is definitely on the menu tonight....and I'm not talking about The men on the Wall. Several weeks ago, numerous folks here debated me saying, "Peter Balish is a father figure to Sansa." Well tonight's epidsode completely obliterates that theory! People here debated me saying, "King Joffery was worse than Ramsey Bolton." Again, tonight's episode showed how much BIGGER a monster Ramsey Bolton is than King Joffery. Dinner is served.
Mad Season
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Something about the combat scene looked.... Amateurish like something from scyfy channel
That would have the budget of a C-tier syfy show. There was talk of a movie though. Then again, there was talk of a Deadwood movie too
the sand snakes looked really awkward and unnatural trying to fight
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