it's all hearsay until the tribunal makes an official judgement.
which I reckon will happen before this season is over.
poor Cersei...lol not.
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it's all hearsay until the tribunal makes an official judgement.
which I reckon will happen before this season is over.
poor Cersei...lol not.
lol cersei you better pray
making an enemy of the women who murdered your son under your own damn nose, best believe the strike back will be something fierce
i really missed olenna!
exactly! patiently awaiting that fateful day
making an enemy of the women who murdered your son under your own damn nose, best believe the strike back will be something fierce
i really missed olenna!
exactly! patiently awaiting that fateful day
Yes....Crow is definitely on the menu tonight....and I'm not talking about The men on the Wall. Several weeks ago, numerous folks here debated me saying, "Peter Balish is a father figure to Sansa." Well tonight's epidsode completely obliterates that theory! People here debated me saying, "King Joffery was worse than Ramsey Bolton." Again, tonight's episode showed how much BIGGER a monster Ramsey Bolton is than King Joffery. Dinner is served.
I disagree on all points. We have not seen yet that Baelish is not acting in Sansa's interest -- as long as they align with his, and so far they do -- and while Ramsay is worse than Joffery (smarter, more brutal, not a coward, etc), he has not really shown that potential yet. Joffrey wanted to rape Sansa on her last wedding night if you recall. Remember what he did to Ros (and I don't mean killing her). Ramsey's actions tonight put him on the level of Khal Drogo, a beloved character.
Every major scene of the episode featured a "lie" other than the last. I think Baelish is double-dealing.... but I can't sort why... hrmmmm
I cannot wait. It's going to be glorious. Cersei is so fucking outmatched and does not realize it. The only smart thing she has done is take Mace Tyrell prisoner without his knowledge
ErinIsADrunk
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Well that is certainly one way to end an episode.
At least we got, what 6 episodes, where Sansa wasn't a meek, helpless little girl who is being endlessly tortured by psychopaths.
I still don't understand why that scene is there. I just hope (and generally trust) that the people in charge have a plan and that this will at some point have a payoff. My current bet is that this pushes Theon closer to the edge before he snaps and attacks Ramsay. I will be disappointed if this was inserted for the sole purpose of making the viewer hate Ramsay more. I already know he is a walking piece of human garbage. I don't need a scene of him raping Sansa to make me want to see him die anymore than I already do.
Good episode. Can't wait for next week. Maybe by then I'll be able to accept this dumb warriors of Faith of the Seven nonsense.
At least we got, what 6 episodes, where Sansa wasn't a meek, helpless little girl who is being endlessly tortured by psychopaths.
I still don't understand why that scene is there. I just hope (and generally trust) that the people in charge have a plan and that this will at some point have a payoff. My current bet is that this pushes Theon closer to the edge before he snaps and attacks Ramsay. I will be disappointed if this was inserted for the sole purpose of making the viewer hate Ramsay more. I already know he is a walking piece of human garbage. I don't need a scene of him raping Sansa to make me want to see him die anymore than I already do.
Good episode. Can't wait for next week. Maybe by then I'll be able to accept this dumb warriors of Faith of the Seven nonsense.
Tainted
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A pretty major character just forgotten about. I can understand going 1 episode without a mention...possibly 2, but it's been 3 and no mention of him.
I guess he will magically just show up in Meereen with Tyrion and Jorah. Surely he stayed some time in Volantis looking for him though ? I mean, he goes out for a piss one minute and then gone....
It's one think to want to do something, it's entirely another to actually do it..don't ya think? Peter Balish told Cersei (a queeen who wants Sansa dead) exactly where Sansa is, that's what you call a father figure?
I'm half expecting him to be in Meereen and when Tyrion questions why he didn't rescue him he'll just be all "My spies said you were fine *eats grapes*"
Damn. Damn, damn, damn ,damn, damn.
DAMN!
That just happened.
Theon might as well have been the link (and the link) expressing the sadness that I felt watching Sansa get violated by that monster. I loved and hated at the same time that this show has no boundaries. However morbid that was, I do expect some payoff. The biggest one being that the worst thing physically that could have happened to Sansa, has happened. If there was a moment to reflect and apply little finger's adivce, it's now.
Play the game Sansa. Play the game.
A part of me fears that if Sansa gets pregnant with Ramsay's rape baby she would just commit suicide. And it would all fall on Arya to get revenge on all the enemies of the starks.
Very sad turn of events in this episode. I continue to appreciate that there is at least one tv show that can make me feel so strongly about the fate of its characters.
DAMN!
That just happened.
Theon might as well have been the link (and the link) expressing the sadness that I felt watching Sansa get violated by that monster. I loved and hated at the same time that this show has no boundaries. However morbid that was, I do expect some payoff. The biggest one being that the worst thing physically that could have happened to Sansa, has happened. If there was a moment to reflect and apply little finger's adivce, it's now.
Play the game Sansa. Play the game.
A part of me fears that if Sansa gets pregnant with Ramsay's rape baby she would just commit suicide. And it would all fall on Arya to get revenge on all the enemies of the starks.
Very sad turn of events in this episode. I continue to appreciate that there is at least one tv show that can make me feel so strongly about the fate of its characters.
He told her where she is while striking a deal to ensure that Cersei doesn't send her army there to get her. Specifically, a deal that would have his army there instead, unquestioned
lol, Queen Cersei said, she wanted Sansa's head on a spike. There is your deal. lol XD
megamerican
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All the Dorn stuff has seemed really cheap.
This season has been really dragging. I'm more than ready for this Ramsay storyline to get wrapped up. Joffrey was a little shit, but at least he was an entertaining villain. Every scene with Ramsay is just revolting, and not in a fun way. I don't even care how they kill him off, I just want this whole Theon / Ramsay stuff out of the show.
Making rape a plot point in a man's arc is a really tired and gross trope though. As is the assumption that rape is THE THING for a female to learn from and grow stronger. I'm not sure I can see how it was necessary. Especially seeing people say it wasn't her in the books.
Hell, a guy in the AV Club comments wrote a better scene.
Hoo boy. That scene fucking sucked. I liked the Arya stuff finally moving though. Ready for a training monatge next ep!
Yeah and Littlefinger said he lives to serve the crown....
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So any word on the youngest Stark? Where the fuck is he with his magic powers?
Who knows; he is supposed to be at Greatjon Umber's (the guy who challenged Robb and got his fingers bit off) but they never confirmed if he ever got there. I've said before that I think he will show up one day, recast and well-trained but we will see
Maybe Tommen can play him if he dies again
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The flaying and the hunting of women for sport didn't throw you for a loop? We all expected this little shit to creep the fuck out but I thought he might hold back for a bit. Nope.
bender
What time is it?
I don't see how it can. Sansa's arc has been "out of the frying pan, into the fire" on endless loop. I'd given up hope for her a long time ago and that robbed any power that final scene might have had.
Not sure what you're getting at. I said it was a shitty trope. I didn't say Ramsay was above it hypothetically.
Rickon doesn't have powers
The main difference is that you knew Drogo wasn't going to torture Dany. He was a barbarian, and in the end him and Dany shared a true love.
Ok what the fuck? They accidently made another rape scene? Even people who consider the scene well-drected weren't saying this. BOOK INFO ON OTHER SIDE OF LINK. QUOTED RELEVANT PART BELOW FOR NON-BOOK
What a poorly made episode. First bummer of the season for me really.
Didn't come across.
What a poorly made episode. First bummer of the season for me really.
Didn't come across.
Black-Wind
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I really hate the Sparrows ...
I mean, are they supposed to be scary? This cult of skinny malnourished shoeless chumps who walk around in rags and chains?
The only reason they seem to have ANY power is because of Cersei taking advantage of Tommen being a lil bitch baby instead of a king. Seems like he could easily crash them and stop all of this if he would just STOP being a lil bitch baby.
I hope by the end of this he finds that at some point in a man's life the power of boners has to over-ride the security of momma's skirt tails...
I was really pulling for him! He best shape up and not let anything happen to his WIFE or else all my hope for him is out the window ...
I mean, are they supposed to be scary? This cult of skinny malnourished shoeless chumps who walk around in rags and chains?
The only reason they seem to have ANY power is because of Cersei taking advantage of Tommen being a lil bitch baby instead of a king. Seems like he could easily crash them and stop all of this if he would just STOP being a lil bitch baby.
I hope by the end of this he finds that at some point in a man's life the power of boners has to over-ride the security of momma's skirt tails...
I was really pulling for him! He best shape up and not let anything happen to his WIFE or else all my hope for him is out the window ...
Well, the "choice" he's talking about doesn't seem to be "let me get raped by Ramsay", but to marry him, because she sees that as a way to get back her homeland. That tracks. Nothing about that interview makes it seem like there is any implication this wasn't rape.
Oh lord, not again. As I've expressed I do think it came across to some degree but I'd never argue that he did not ultimately rape her, even if it wasn't violent. Why does this keep happening ?
Also that Article us some book stuff I would rather not have read
We didn't know anything of the sort by the end of episode 1. The character development came later which is my point -- we don't know where this is going yet
muntersaur
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Whoever thought the rape scene was explicit is an idiot - it was not directly shown.
Whoever thought that Sansa had agency left alone with the Boltons and was going to magically avoid consummating with Ramsey is an idiot. Sansa herself had accepted this as soon as Littlefinger handed her over.
Whoever thought that Ramsey was not going to be cruel to her and Theon is an idiot.
That is not to say that Sansa will not overcome and triumph at some point (it seems hinted to me that Theon will aid her in the future), but to expect it now at this current situation is wilful ignorance, and would frankly be terrible storytelling.
Whoever thought that Sansa had agency left alone with the Boltons and was going to magically avoid consummating with Ramsey is an idiot. Sansa herself had accepted this as soon as Littlefinger handed her over.
Whoever thought that Ramsey was not going to be cruel to her and Theon is an idiot.
That is not to say that Sansa will not overcome and triumph at some point (it seems hinted to me that Theon will aid her in the future), but to expect it now at this current situation is wilful ignorance, and would frankly be terrible storytelling.
The scene should've been Miranda scaring Sansa into seducing Ramsay, or something insane, like Sansa realizing that Ramsay likes these games, and they come back to Ramsay's room and Miranda is tied down and Ramsay fucks her instead (and it's weirdly consensual in their BDSM ways).
SOMETHING ELSE.
SOMETHING ELSE.
:'(
Anything..
Calm down with the name calling. Jesus. Who cares?
we get it, you are passionate about poorly shot rape scenes, lol.
AH SORRY! I didn't read that part! I'm an idiot. (as established - see above)
I guess, like, I don't understand why they would try to do this again, given this show's weird relationship with rape and the odd defense of the not-rape-but-rape scene last season.
Nizz
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Agree with all these posts here. Something about the fight choreography this season has looked "off". And Staccato brings up a fair point about the direction of the episode. Honestly to me, this season has been a little hit and miss with direction. Seems like this season's directors don't seem to have that "eye" that previous directors have had.
I know people like Alan Taylor have moved to directing feature films like Thor 2 and Terminator Genesis (yeah). He's the most familiar director I know from GoT. But his episodes seemed more like small movies compared to some episodes this season. I don't know, the production value is still high but some scenes (particularly some fight scenes) have looked a bit clumsy.
Also, my god I didn't think I could hate someone as much as I did Joffrey but Ramsay takes the cake. I want to see that son of a bitch die a gruesome death. The stuff with Theon and Sansa has felt so drawn out that I'm hoping there's a big payoff when all is said and done.
For some reason I thought wouldn't it be something if Arya found her father's face among the towers of faces and someday maybe Jaqen would wear it just to see the look of shock on say, the Lannister's faces.
Nizz
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That's another thing that came off so poorly. How can the Sand Snakes even think of pulling something off like that in broad daylight? Wouldn't that have made more sense at night? Oberyn's brother (his name is escaping me right now) could clearly see into the water gardens in full view.
Last Hearth
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But marrying him includes bedding him. So when she choose the former, she knew she'd have to do the latter.
Don't forget the rape scene that almost made me stop watching the show in the wildlings camp. You know... the one that was shot like a porn?
SuperStiltzkin
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I think the Dorne stuff looks cheap because they had strict shooting rules there. Apparently it's very rare to be allowed to shoot there. Also I hope Bronn getting slashed doesn't mean he's gonna get poisoned to death.
When Miranda was trying to scare Sansa by mentioning bodies mauled by dogs, I wanted Sansa to say "Bitch, Joffrey made me look at my dad's head on a spike!" I really wish it didn't take a rape to empower Sansa considering the torture she endured with Joffrey.
When Miranda was trying to scare Sansa by mentioning bodies mauled by dogs, I wanted Sansa to say "Bitch, Joffrey made me look at my dad's head on a spike!" I really wish it didn't take a rape to empower Sansa considering the torture she endured with Joffrey.
Making rape a plot point in a man's arc is a really tired and gross trope though. As is the assumption that rape is THE THING for a female to learn from and grow stronger. I'm not sure I can see how it was necessary. Especially seeing people say it wasn't her in the books.
Hell, a guy in the AV Club comments wrote a better scene.
Hoo boy. That scene fucking sucked. I liked the Arya stuff finally moving though. Ready for a training monatge next ep!
It was Sansa cuz her character is known to the viewer and has greater impact. Technically he raped that other woman in a previous episode, but that moment was nearly as talked about
No one liked that big fight with the unsullied a few weeks ago? I don't remember loving it, but I didn't think it was horrible
Fight tonight was fucking horrible
Pop On Arrival
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I like how you chastise him for name calling and yet proceed to be a passive aggressive douche
anyway, Dorne scenes were embarrassingly bad. The Sandsnake scene was probably the most stand-out terrible thing I've seen in the show. Terrible fighting, awkward acting, awkward scene in general. Hope we're done seeing that shit
I think it will prove to be the turning point in turning Reek back into Theon. I see him setting the story straight with Sansa about her brothers, killing Ramsay, and helping her escape Winterfell.
My question is whether Sansa will ever have a moment of happiness again. She's just been ushered from one shitty situation to another.
SuperStiltzkin
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I think most people are mad because it feels like every Sansa scene in the show so far, but they just dyed Joffrey's hair black. It feels like the writers forgot how much shit Sansa went through with Joffrey and needed to remind the audience of how much of a helpless victim she is before they can start making her an active participant. And they want to remind us of how much of a sadistic asshole Ramsay is even though we had that slog of torturing Theon. Yes, Sansa's fairy tale world of kind princes and happy endings don't exist in Westeros. We're 5 seasons in, do we really need another wake up call?
I wouldn't be mad if this was in the book, but apparently it wasn't, so it comes across as a redundant establishment of who these characters are and why we should root for Sansa and boo the screen when Ramsay shows up. It seems like the writers not trusting the audience's attention span that they need someone to kill a puppy each episode to remind us that they are evil.
brickarts295
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I knew I should've watched this first and then Mad Men after, because damn, shit got real.
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