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[Curufinwe]

You're right. It isn't, because the same shit has been happening to Sansa since season one. And Ramsey's been doing the same shit since he's been introduced.

That's part of the problem.

Rape is still very much shocking to see, and rape of a character we've practically seen growing up is shocking, too. It's still shock value. It's just bad, because it's the same shit we've been seeing. No one's arc has changed in too long.

Sansa being married and being forced to act like an adult in a hostile environment with a husband that was chosen for her and demands sex the way Dany and Cersei were, is actually a big change.

Reek being tortured by bad things happening to someone else instead of himself is a change. If you accept the premise that him remaining as Reek so long is partly because he thinks he deserves to be punished for all he did wrong, then you can see how Ramsey may have finally pushed him too far.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Let's do it with other characters. Just have people offhandedly talk about Ned getting beheaded, Oberyn Gallagher, or Theon tortured but never actually show any of that.

I don't think you understood my point at all.

If an event is shocking and is a game-changer, it's worth showing.

If it's shocking and redundant, it's not worth showing.

If the point is the that Sansa is a perpetual victim, it would be redundant to show it repeatedly.

FWIW, I could have dealt with a lot less of Theon being tortured, too. I complained about that as well. At some point it went from compelling and unnerving to repetitive and basically torture porn.

 

[ComputerBlue]

If that's her arc, there's no need to push it the audience's face. All you have to do it let us know it's happening.

It sort of does, because watching a character with zero arc get the shit beat out of her time and time again is bad writing. Writing someone who's supposed to be a punching bad get beaten, kidnapped, and rape is not good TV because it's not interesting.

Why even write the character, then?

It might be for Theon's character, it might be for Ramsay, it might even be for Littlefinger's when he finds out about it, might be for Brienne's, we don't know.

Let's do it with other characters. Just have people offhandedly talk about Ned getting beheaded, Oberyn Gallagher, or Theon tortured but never actually show any of that.

There you go. They certainly didn't have to show Oberyn getting his skull caved in, but they did and people though it was disgusting but I don't remember arguments of pointless shock value, because that right there was the epitome of pointless shock value.

 

[Ferrio]

That's... not comparable, at all.

Those character had arcs. It was Ned's honor that got him killed. Oberyn's hubris. Theon's stupidity and daddy issues that lead him to where he is. That's interesting because there are consequences to actions.

Sansa is just a victim.

Well first I'd say you're not giving Sansa enough credit for her past seasons.

 

[Skii]

Isn't Theon's torturing far worse than what happened to Sansa? I don't remember the outrage at someone being tortured to the point where they completely changed personality and alias.

Rape has happened numerous times during the series. No one can really say it is unneccessary for the character's arc yet.We have to wait and see what happens.

 

[Curufinwe]

Well first I'd say you're not giving Sansa enough credit for her past seasons.

Or the fact that she only agreed to this marriage in order to avenge her family.

 

[Bisnic]

Would people have prefered that we didn't see anything and instead just watch Ramsay casually say in the next episode : "Oh yeah Sansa, that last night in the bed was wonderful. Don't you agree, Reek?" *evil smile on Ramsay* *shocked look in the eyes of Theon* *Sansa makes a depressing face*

 

[Netherscourge]

Having Theon reclaim some of his old identity at the wedding, and then having him revert back to Reek mode when Ramsay does his fucking vile thing, felt off as fuck.

Theon had his chance to kill him, right in front of his father nonetheless during the shaving scene, but he was too scared to do it.

Not to mention Theon, in general, was pathetic to begin with.

He spends all his time trying to impress people that hate or despise him. The only guy that ever cared for him was Ned Stark, and he went and killed his whole town on a whim to impress his disowning father.

Someday he'll get a clue? Maybe? Writers?

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

It might be for Theon's character, it might be for Ramsay, it might even be for Littlefinger's when he finds out about it, might be for Brienne's, we don't know.

Oh, I am assuming it is, since it doesn't make sense for Sansa all that much. And I find that rather disgusting.

Are the people arguing doing it out of principle, or because they really liked this episode?

 

[Smiley90]

I don't understand why people are so surprised.

Sansa is agreeing to get married to a known psychopath who loves sex and people are surprised he wants to consummate his wedding night? Really? Just because Tyrion didn't have sex with her doesn't mean nobody will. This is very much arranged marriage and she knew what she had coming, otherwise she's just stupid. I don't get people being "surprised" by this at all. The only surprising thing about the whole scene to me is that he made Theon watch, and that actually makes sense if you think about the potential where Ramsay might be killed by Theon and this being one of the final straws, who knows. Maybe Sansa sees Theon crying afterwards and starts to not believe that he killed her family, who knows.

But surprised that Ramsay would want to have sex with his knew wife, KNOWING that he's got psychopath fetishes and she's a virgin should really not surprise anyone. Be happy they didn't show it in more detail because they sure have done that before.

 

[ASIS]

I don't think you understood my point at all.

If an event is shocking and is a game-changer, it's worth showing.

If it's shocking and redundant, it's not worth showing.

If the point is the that Sansa is a perpetual victim, it would be redundant to show it repeatedly.

FWIW, I could have dealt with a lot less of Theon being tortured, too. I complained about that as well. At some point it went from compelling and unnerving to repetitive and basically torture porn.

Honest question, would it have been alright to have the exact same plot if they did not show Sansa getting raped?

 

[ivysaur12]

It might be for Theon's character, it might be for Ramsay, it might even be for Littlefinger's when he finds out about it, might be for Brienne's, we don't know.

What might be for those characters? Her rape? If Sansa's rape doesn't serve Sansa's character, the show has failed.

Well first I'd say you're not giving Sansa enough credit for her past seasons.

Really? Her conversation with Miranda was one of the first bouts of taking control that she's had in quite some time. Every other action she's had has been at the whims of someone else, usually a man.

 

[Smiley90]

What might be for those characters? Her rape? If Sansa's rape doesn't serve Sansa's character, the show has failed.

Yes and Oberyn's death also didn't serve him so the show clearly failed

Ned's death didn't serve him so the show failed

what kind of logic is that?

 

[ivysaur12]

Yes and Oberon's death also didn't serve him so the show clearly failed

Ned's death didn't serve him so the show failed

what kind of logic is that?

Uh.

 

[RDreamer]

Honest question, would it have been alright to have the exact same plot if they did not show Sansa getting raped?

No, it wouldn't, because her character needs to go somewhere, and this is just backpedaling on any development she might have had.

Yes and Oberyn's death also didn't serve him so the show clearly failed

Ned's death didn't serve him so the show failed

what kind of logic is that?

You clearly don't understand writing.

Ned and Oberyn's deaths absolutely did serve their characters.

Try again.

 

[Ferrio]

Really? Her conversation with Miranda was one of the first bouts of taking control that she's had in quite some time. Every other action she's had has been at the whims of someone else, usually a man.

Look at her season 1+2 character, she's changed a lot. Yes it's slow, but she's started from a way worse background than any other character in this series. Expecting her to have the same growth at the same speed, even those she's been the worst equipped person for the worst situations in the show is ludicrous.

 

[Smiley90]

Uh.

How can one event not be a setup to develop another. I mean, Theon WAS there. Could easily be that the rape scene contributes to his storyline. Again, the most surprising thing out of that scene was Ramsay forcing him to watch, the actual rape really shouldn't surprise anyone.

No, it wouldn't, because her character needs to go somewhere, and this is just backpedaling on any development she might have had.




You clearly don't understand writing.

Ned and Oberyn's deaths absolutely did serve their characters.


Try again.

... that's my point. Those were rhetorical questions.

I'm saying how can Theon watching not further his storyline.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Isn't Theon's torturing far worse than what happened to Sansa? I don't remember the outrage at someone being tortured to the point where they completely changed personality and alias.

Rape has happened numerous times during the series. No one can really say it is unneccessary for the character's arc yet.We have to wait and see what happens.

That was over the top as well and I didn't like it either. That Theon was a bad person who had done really horrible things made it less upsetting at the start at least, but it went too far.

The fact that it was gradual probably resulting in less reaction, too. But I recall plenty of complaints.

I don't think that acts contrary to the complaints about this episode, but rather in support. GoT has had a "going too far" problem for a while, but this was just the most clear and immediate case in a while. I'm sure for some it's the straw that broke the camel's back.

If I'm wrong and there were people who were raving about how great Theon torture was but now are complaining, I'd like to see it. To me, it's all the same issue.

 

[Curufinwe]

For me that scene was important toward Sansa because for to long she was following "orders". She didn't even took the chance that the granny told her to do (light a candle in X tower so you will ger some help). Sansa never dared to ask for help or flee. Maybe that final trial will wake her up.

She didn't ask for help just to get out of the marriage then because she was committed to seeing it thru and using her position to somehow strike back at the Boltons. She knew she would have to consummate the marriage, but she didn't know Reek would be involved. Ramsay doing that may well have convinced her that it's already candle time.

 

[ASIS]

No, it wouldn't, because her character needs to go somewhere, and this is just backpedaling on any development she might have had.




You clearly don't understand writing.

Ned and Oberyn's deaths absolutely did serve their characters.

Try again.

Why are you so certain of this? We don't know what's going to happen next. The next war is going to be a three way between the boltons, stannis, and Kings landing in Winterfell. Why are you so sure that Sansa will continue to play the victim once again?

EDIT: Also, thank you for answering my question.

 

[ivysaur12]

Look at her season 1+2 character, she's changed a lot. Yes it's slow, but she's started from a way worse background than any other character in this series. Expecting her to have the same growth at the same speed, even those she's been the worst equipped person for the worst situations in the show is ludicrous.

Again, this isn't fun to watch! Watching someone who was kind of a brat, but like, she was a teenager, get the shit constantly beat out of her for 5 seasons is not fun. It's not fun to watch someone who's a punching bag. It's not good writing. It's not even like there's a hint of a larger arc for her. If this season ends with her holding a sword through Ramsay's throat, the show will be better off for it. But the poster saying "well, maybe she's supposed to be the victim for the show and that's her arc, it's not bad writing" is silly, because it's the very definition of bad writing.

How can one event not be a setup to develop another. I mean, Theon WAS there. Could easily be that the rape scene contributes to his storyline. Again, the most surprising thing out of that scene was Ramsay forcing him to watch, the actual rape really shouldn't surprise anyone..

Again, on your original point:

That's... not comparable, at all.

Those character had arcs. It was Ned's honor that got him killed. Oberyn's hubris. Theon's stupidity and daddy issues that lead him to where he is. That's interesting because there are consequences to actions.

Sansa is just a victim.

Having Sansa's rape help Theon's character is stupid because it completely ignores the character who should be affected the most.

 

[UrbanRats]

Sansa being married and being forced to act like an adult in a hostile environment with a husband that was chosen for her and demands sex the way Dany and Cersei were, is actually a big change.

Reek being tortured by bad things happening to someone else instead of himself is a change. If you accept the premise that him remaining as Reek so long is partly because he thinks he deserves to be punished for all he did wrong, then you can see how Ramsey may have finally pushed him too far.

I think you make a good point for Reek, but i don't think this is particularly different for Sansa than anything that happened before to her.
She was pushed in this situation by Littlefinger, like she was pushed in past situations by her parents and so on..
However i also disagree with the notion that a character or narrative arc, has to either start down and go up, or viceversa.
Surely things can be more nuanced than that, and there are various shades of misery and success, that are on equal ground only superficially.
Just because Sansa started as a victim of circumstance, doesn't mean her arc has to resolve with her acquiring agency, nor does it mean that her remaining a victim of sorts, means she has had no arc.
Sometimes not having a resolution, is the resolution.

Granted GoT it's not the most nuanced of shows, but the point still stands i think.

 

[Smiley90]

Say Ramsay would've been suddenly a super sweet guy and totally respecting her and not wanted to have sex with her.

Would THAT have been good writing, given all we know about him?

Given that Sansa wants to take Winterfell back and make it hers, if Ramsay had been an amazing husband and then Sansa killed him to take Winterfell back, would THAT have been good writing?

Nothing so far has made her grow up so I hope this will.

 

[Ferrio]

Again, this isn't fun to watch! Watching someone who was kind of a brat, but like, she was a teenager, get the shit constantly beat out of her for 5 seasons is not fun. It's not fun to watch someone who's a punching bag. It's not good writing. It's not even like there's a hint of a larger arc for her. If this season ends with her holding a sword through Ramsay's throat, the show will be better off for it. But the poster saying "well, maybe she's supposed to be the victim for the show and that's her arc, it's not bad writing" is silly, because it's the very definition of bad writing.

I disagree. I don't believe there's some magical quota of bad shit that stops happening once you reach a certain threshold. She's been the least equipped person to handle all this shit in the show, she's gone through arguably the worst shit in the show... but she's still alive. Something that her daddy and brother didn't manage to do. She'll get her break eventually, but the ability to do so in that exact situation is laughable.

 

[ComputerBlue]

Ned and Oberyn's deaths absolutely did serve their characters.

You aren't arguing that Sansa getting raped didn't serve her character though, you are arguing that they showed it and it doesn't serve any purpose to show the audience.

What about Oberyn's death, the way he died, the way they showed it served no purpose, at all, nothing, zero.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Honest question, would it have been alright to have the exact same plot if they did not show Sansa getting raped?

It would have been far less worse.


Sansa is a fictional character. Nobody got raped (or murdered or tortured) on this show. The issue is how much is presented to the audience, and how.

There are a ton of gratuitous things on this show. But there's also value in some shock. There's cheap thrills, and there's also the benefit of really sinking a point home. Jamie losing his hand was brutal, and seeing the cut stump very graphically was worth it because it made the fact of what happened very real and immediate. Oberyn getting his head squished wasn't necessary, because the surprise of him losing and the implication for Tyrion was plenty.

There's no clear line, and of course people will have different threshholds. This was so far over mine that it made me enjoy the show far, far less than I usually do. And such moments stand out even more when the rest of the show isn't delivering on its other strengths.

 

[ivysaur12]

I disagree. I don't believe there's some magical quota of bad shit that stops happening once you reach a certain threshold. She's been the least equipped person to handle all this shit in the show, she's gone through arguably the worst shit in the show... but she's still alive. Something that her daddy and brother didn't manage to do.

Right, and at least Robb and Ned had actual arcs. Sansa has nothing.

 

[Curufinwe]

Theon had his chance to kill him, right in front of his father nonetheless during the shaving scene, but he was too scared to do it.

So you think it's bad writing because a victim of prolonged and horrific mental and physical abuse didn't murder his abuser as soon as he he had the chance, bearing in mind he would have been flayed living as punishment?

 

[Bisnic]

No, it wouldn't, because her character needs to go somewhere, and this is just backpedaling on any development she might have had.

Come on, what were people really expecting to happen when Littlefinger told Sansa and the viewers his plan to marry her to Ramsay? What were people expecting to happen on her wedding night? That Ramsay would be all "Oh, you can go to bed alone darling, sleep well while I party here with my crazy ex-girlfriend".

This rape, or consumed marriage, was going to happen no matter what people say. The question was only if they were going to show it or not, or if Ramsay would somehow die before it happened.

 

[Ferrio]

Right, and at least Robb and Ned had actual arcs. Sansa has nothing.

Well here's the question I pop. We can agree she's had a raw deal, but has any of it that has happened felt unbelievable or untrue to the characters or world?

 

[ivysaur12]

Say Ramsay would've been suddenly a super sweet guy and totally respecting her and not wanted to have sex with her.

Would THAT have been good writing, given all we know about him?

Given that Sansa wants to take Winterfell back and make it hers, if Ramsay had been an amazing husband and then Sansa killed him to take Winterfell back, would THAT have been good writing?

Nothing so far has made her grow up so I hope this will.

I think there are many ways to write a scene that don't involve the proverbial punching bag getting raped. I wouldn't have put the wedding there, for one, and had Sansa play more of a cat and mouse game within Winterfell, slowly trying to assert herself in any way.

Also:

Nothing so far has made her grow up so I hope this will.

Gross.

Well here's the question I pop. We can agree she's had a raw deal, but has any of it that has happened felt unbelievable or untrue to the characters or world?

Again, that's not the question: What is her arc? What is her story? From a narrative sense, how much can you kick a character down to the point where it becomes uninteresting and sad? And we've passed that threshold for Sansa. She doesn't have an arc. She's not a character. She's a victim, except there's nothing about her being a victim that ever feels like it's being processed.

 

[Ferrio]

I think there are many ways to write a scene that don't involve the proverbial punching bag getting raped. I wouldn't have put the wedding there, for one, and had Sansa play more of a cat and mouse game within Winterfell, slowly trying to assert herself in any way.

Which would be completely contrived.

She's alone, no allies, with some of the most sadistic people in westeros. What possibly could she do? There's going to be no reasoning with the Boltons, she's not going to charm them, there's not going to be any Kings Landing intrigue and battle of wits. She has no fighting experience, she has never held a sword even. At this point with the Boltons she has no sway what so ever.

Again, that's not the question: What is her arc? What is her story? From a narrative sense, how much can you kick a character down to the point where it becomes uninteresting and sad? And we've passed that threshold for Sansa. She doesn't have an arc. She's not a character. She's a victim, except there's nothing about her being a victim that ever feels like it's being processed.

When the time is right, when it makes sense with the story and not a contrived reason that goes against not only her character, but everyone around her.

 

[Smiley90]

I think there are many ways to write a scene that don't involve the proverbial punching bag getting raped. I wouldn't have put the wedding there, for one, and had Sansa play more of a cat and mouse game within Winterfell, slowly trying to assert herself in any way.

Also:



Gross.

Okay, let's hope she continues to be the victim and doesn't change. Less gross? C'mon man I don't write this show, do you think I didn't say "I hope she gets raped so she grows up", the rape's already happened and now I hope it was "worth it" from a viewer's perspective, because of nothing comes out of it THEN I'll be frustrated with the scene happening. But given that it just happened I'm not gonna go "OMG THAT WAS SO USELESS" when we have no idea where it leads.

Which would be completely contrived.

She's alone, no allies, with some of the most sadistic people in westeros? What possibly could she do? There's going to be no reasoning with the Boltons, she's not going to charm them, there's not going to be any Kings Landing intrigue and battle fo wits.

.

Again, anything else happening really would've been totally contrary to what the Bolton's/Ramsay were like and would've been even worse writing.

 

[Curufinwe]

Say Ramsay would've been suddenly a super sweet guy and totally respecting her and not wanted to have sex with her.

Would THAT have been good writing, given all we know about him?

Given that Sansa wants to take Winterfell back and make it hers, if Ramsay had been an amazing husband and then Sansa killed him to take Winterfell back, would THAT have been good writing?

Nothing so far has made her grow up so I hope this will.

There are three plausible ways to have avoided this happening in my view once the marriage was agreed to. Before the wedding:

1. Sansa dies
2. Sansa escapes
3. Ramsey dies

 

[RDreamer]

You aren't arguing that Sansa getting raped didn't serve her character though, you are arguing that they showed it and it doesn't serve any purpose to show the audience.

What about Oberyn's death, the way he died, the way they showed it served no purpose, at all, nothing, zero.

Um... You apparently have no idea what I'm arguing. You should re-read my posts.

Well here's the question I pop. We can agree she's had a raw deal, but has any of it that has happened felt unbelievable or untrue to the characters or world?

Believable and not untrue to the world don't necessarily mean good writing. Yes what's happening to her character is believable, but as someone else stated: I don't want to watch a show about a punching bag. It's not good television.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Come on, what were people really expecting to happen when Littlefinger told Sansa and the viewers his plan to marry her to Ramsay? What were people expecting to happen on her wedding night? That Ramsay would be all "Oh, you can go to bed alone darling, sleep well while I party here with my crazy ex-girlfriend".

This rape, or consumed marriage, was going to happen no matter what people say. The question was only if they were going to show it or not, or if Ramsay would somehow die before it happened.

I didn't expect her to go through with it. I was almost as shocked when she said "I do" (or whatever) as the rape itself, because I could see what was coming. THEN they had to show that as well, and add the Theon factor.

Not like the show has ever shown much restraint, but they blew it here.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Well here's the question I pop. We can agree she's had a raw deal, but has any of it that has happened felt unbelievable or untrue to the characters or world?

Nope, I'll give you that.

I'm not sure Littlefinger's action make much sense, but that's really a separate thing.

 

[Smiley90]

There are three plausible ways to have avoided this happening in my view once the marriage was agreed to. Before the wedding:

1. Sansa dies
2. Sansa escapes
3. Ramsey dies

1. Is arguably way worse, that'd mean she never had any arc
2. Possibly, but how? and why? She WANTED to get married to take back Winterfell. Escaping wasn't really a thing, unless they somehow got Brienne in there.
3. Unlikely, Theon's still way too weak and Sansa has no reason to kill him.

 

[ivysaur12]

Which would be completely contrived.

She's alone, no allies, with some of the most sadistic people in westeros? What possibly could she do? There's going to be no reasoning with the Boltons, she's not going to charm them, there's not going to be any Kings Landing intrigue and battle of wits. She has no fighting experience, she has never held a sword even. At this point with the Boltons she has no sway what so ever.



When the time is right, when it makes sense with the story and not a contrived reason that goes against not only her character, but everyone around her.

She has ALL OF THE ALLIES because she has ALL OF THE NORTH and a CANDLE.

 

[UrbanRats]

That was over the top as well and I didn't like it either. That Theon was a bad person who had done really horrible things made it less upsetting at the start at least, but it went too far.

The fact that it was gradual probably resulting in less reaction, too. But I recall plenty of complaints.

Those scenes being relentless and prolonged were part of the point i think, which is why i never agreed with those complaints very much.
"Getting the point" it's not necessarily enough, when it comes to storytelling, and i think having those scenes being so prolonged and excruciating, really drove home Theon's character change on a more emotional level than a simple "and then he gets tortured a bunch".

In a way, it's the same principle by which some shots in movies need to take their time and burn slowly, it's one thing to get a point across, it's another to really drive it on a raw and emotional level.

 

[Curufinwe]

1. Is arguably way worse, that'd mean she never had any arc
2. Possibly, but how? and why? She WANTED to get married to take back Winterfell. Escaping wasn't really a thing, unless they somehow got Brienne in there.
3. Unlikely, Theon's still way too weak and Sansa has no reason to kill him.

That's the point. None of them would be good storytelling.

 

[Ferrio]

She has ALL OF THE ALLIES because she has ALL OF THE NORTH and a CANDLE.

None that are currently there, except maybe a handful of peasents that work the castle.

 

[Netherscourge]

So you think it's bad writing because a victim of prolonged and horrific mental and physical abuse didn't murder his abuser as soon as he he had the chance, bearing in mind he would have been flayed living as punishment?

He was already 'flayed' before that scene.

Theon has nothing left. Literally. lol

All Theon has left is revenge on Ramsay and the longer he waits, the more torture Ramsay puts him through

It's insane that Theon hasn't A.) killed Ramsay or B.) killed himself already.

But, it just enforces my belief that this show is nothing but torture porn now.

 

[jond76]

Not having read the books, I was expecting Sansa to pull a knife from her sleeve or something, given her desire for revenge. Her getting restored kinda highlighted that she was not ready and in over her head.

Sansa's arc isn't over, so these cries of foul are a little premature. Has they killed her at the end of the scene, then I would maybe see the problem.

Rape is not a new device for the starting point for revenge. I Spit on Your Grave is entirely hinged on it.

I'll ride this ride expecting for Sansa to get her revenge. Otherwise it's like complaining that Van Damme gets beat up in the first fight of his movie, know full well he'll come back.

 

[Curufinwe]

She wants revenge on Roose most of all. If she was somehow able to kill Ramsey on her wedding night she'd never live to see his dad get his comeuppance.

I didn't expect her to go through with it. I was almost as shocked when she said "I do" (or whatever) as the rape itself, because I could see what was coming. THEN they had to show that as well, and add the Theon factor.

Not like the show has ever shown much restraint, but they blew it here.

You keep saying the scene was gratuitous and they lacked restraint, even though it happened off screen. So how did you feel about Drogo raping Dany on screen by comparison?

 

[wiibomb]

She has ALL OF THE ALLIES because she has ALL OF THE NORTH and a CANDLE.

that damn candle... I really hope she manages to light that damn candle someday...

because, I mean, Bran was thrown from there... it's like the place is now cursed

 

[ivysaur12]

None that are currently there, except maybe a handful of peasents that work the castle.

How is contrived not to have the wedding? What about NOW had to be where the wedding was?

What about Sansa as a character wouldn't allow to at least show some agency as a Stark over the people loyal to the North within the castle?

This is my fault for continuing to argue about this. But I'm honestly a little disturbed at the jumping through hoops to defend the necessity to rape Sansa..

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

He was already 'flayed' before that scene.

Theon has nothing left. Literally. lol

All Theon has left is revenge on Ramsay and the longer he waits, the more torture Ramsay puts him through

It's insane that Theon hasn't A.) killed Ramsay or B.) killed himself already.

But, it just enforces the my belief that this show is nothing but torture porn now.

I general agree with you, but that last sentence is quite the hyperbole.

We only get a few of these questionable scenes per season. Their increasing frequency and pointlessness worries me, but there's still a whole show here.

My issue is that the use of them weakens the story, and it's been pretty weak all season already.

 

[Ferrio]

How is contrived not to have the wedding?

Plenty? You think the Boltons are just going to postpone trying to secure the north?

 

[UrbanRats]

He was already 'flayed' before that scene.

Theon has nothing left. Literally. lol

All Theon has left is revenge on Ramsay and the longer he waits, the more torture Ramsay puts him through

It's insane that Theon hasn't A.) killed Ramsay or B.) killed himself already.

But, it just enforces the my belief that this show is nothing but torture porn now.

It's not insane at all.
Victims rationalizing what is happening to them as deserved and just, is very common.
Infact, the first thing the torture took away from Theon was exactly all that made him a person, someone with power and agency.
They took away his name and his manhood (which was of course crucial to him, on a depp mental level).
Desconstruction and reconstruction of character is at the very basis of prolonged torture.