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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 5 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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UnObtainium17
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Knowing this show If they are going to kill Sansa they would do that in such a way that is most torturing to the audiences.. it wont be as light-hearted as jumping off acastle wall.
But she's clearly not. Yes, no character has "plot armor" or whatever, but there's no way Jon Snow stays dead. It would be the same as Danny dying; bad storytelling. There is no character on the wall to follow besides Jon, and no one to stop the white walkers that is in Westeroes.. He's way too important. There's also no other reason the scene of the Red Woman returning to the wall would be put in there unless it was very significant.
FrenchMovieTheme
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man fuck that. my boy Jsnow better not be dead or i'll nerd rage hardcore
Stevetopsy
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Maybe Melisandre will revive Jon and instead of being crazy and pushy like she was with Stannis, she'll be more humble since she's realized that she may not have the direct connection to the Lord of Light that she thought. I'm interested to see her character now that it will be more than the one emotion of "supremely confident religious fanatic."
FantasticMrFoxdie
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I DONT KNOW WHAT I EXPECTED
ComputerBlue
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To save Jon, the one true king....!
I hope everyone here is right but man...when do we get what we want? Never.
Even today with Arya she get's some revenge and everyone is like yayyy....then the show is like naw fuck you, she's blind now.
BigJonsson
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DangerMouse
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Right. Thank you.
Doesn't really change that it'll still be interesting if he finds out she did it again.
I just looked it up too for a refresher. Not sure why I jumped to that other than there's a ton of character relationships to remember.
Stevetopsy
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For real. Even the lame Dorne thread had a nice conclusion at least with Marcella saying she knows and Jamie finally getting a chance to be loved as a father from one of his kids. The show let us enjoy that for about 2-3 seconds before she died horribly from poison.
soundscream
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If john snow comes back, he emphasized the wildlings wouldn't follow stannis to Davos. But you know who they might follow........I say john takes back the wall, next season.
Infernostew
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Who Jon's mother was or is is completely irrelevant. After Ned Stark's death the possibility of knowing her name or whatever was thrown out the window. What other character besides that brotherhood without banners guy and faceless men/women can escape death? The wall and everything in the North is fucked. Walkers are going to become a huge threat soon and that's going to shift the focus, especially when Danny makes her way to Westeros.
Man, poor Jon Snow, but I had A feeling he was going to be betrayed. Why do I get thr feeking that Melisandre came to Castle Black because the Lord of Light has chosen Jon Snow. He'll be revived, betting that as the Lord of Lights champion and will have vengeance on his enemies.
philipnash19
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The stark kids are all becoming disabled, bran can't walk, arya can't see, Sansa probably broke something badly, jon can't breathe lol
UnObtainium17
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Why did missandrei hauled her ass back to the wwall?
maybe the blood sacrifice has to be his own blood...
ComputerBlue
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You're totally mixing up both Melisandre and Missandei lol.
Melisandre bailed because she knew Stan was done for.
joseph1594
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I have to say I was never on board the Season 5 hate train that a lot of people were in this thread. I would agree that the season has been easily the weakest season, but I felt (and still do feel) that many of the criticisms were misguided or without merit.
However, I do feel like this was an episode of Game of Thrones that I legitimately dislike. Maybe I am just salty over Jon's fate, but I felt this episode was just not good and felt like it was on fast forward. This season has generally been pretty slow and it seems almost like they skipped an episode or two between episode nine and the end of this episode.
Stannis: They build up this fight all season only for it to essentially happen off screen? What the hell? It was obvious that he was screwed, but they could have at least shown it. There is a difference between misleading viewers to turn their expectations upside down and misleading viewers with a bait and switch with no pay off. The only good thing I can say about Stannis' part is at least karma bit him hard. It was nice to see him completely broken in the end. I always liked Stannis' reliance of Melisandre's magic being analogous to a drug addiction. The more he uses it, the more he drives people away and loses a part of himself. At the same time, this causes him to grow increasingly reliant on it. In the end, it destroyed his life and he has lost everything. t is fitting to see him end up like that in this episode. Though Stannis probably is not even dead given the way they shot his "execution".
Sansa/Theon: I guess it was nice to see Theon finally snap and take charge finally. But I am not entirely sure what them jumping off of the wall means. Are they trying to escape or were they essentially dying on their own terms? I don't think both of them dead, though they could pull the whole body cushioned the fall down type of thing. The fact that they left it off of them mid air is really jarring as there is really no way for them to survive it, especially given they are probably not going to actually kill both of them off that way much like Stannis.
Dorne: Surprisingly, I actually liked this part, given that this storyline has been the weakest link this season. We finally got some resolution to what they have been building up. Plus I really liked the Jaime and Myrcella scene, I found it very touching.... til they revealed she was poisoned. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out in the future.
Cersei: The whole arc feels entirely pointless if the whole point of it was just to set her up for a revenge arc. There is of course going to be more to it as the prophecy is going strong with Myrcella seemingly dying and it is not like they were really going to kill Cersei off, but we got zero payoff this season in all. It was nice to see Cersei go through that humiliation, but it went way too long as in the grand scheme of things, Jon's supposed death and other events took precedence in importance for the finale. Seeing Cersei doing evil things is getting boring at this point as her character has not really undergone any development or major changes.
Arya: It going directly to her killing Trant was just odd to me the way it was shot. I know this season has had a lot of padding, but some things just need more set up and build up. Considering Trant finally arriving in Braavos last episode, it did not feel right to have the climax of her arc this season be this moment. And as with probably everyone else, I am completely confused of what happened at the end. I best guess is she is going to finally become "no one" as Arya Stark is "dead".
Jon: I honestly did not see that coming. I thought everyone saying Ollie and co were going to kill Jon were being silly as Jon clearly has a lot of importance in the storyline and there are still a lot of unanswered questions about him. I cannot say the Jon fanboy in me was happy about what happened to him. The Night's Watch are absolute morons as they killed the only person that was a good leader and understood the threat they were facing. If the Night's Watch stays the way it is right now, they will probably just desert the wall when the White Walkers come and leave everyone to fend for themselves.
Still, I am in the camp that he will be resurrected. I do not think they would really hint of Melisandre finding something special about him and make his parentage a big mystery if he really is to die so unceremoniously. And I doubt it is one big coincidence that Melisandre decides to show up the same time Jon dies. Not to mention I do not think they showed off Berric's ability to resurrect in the past just as something interesting. It clearly had meaning and foreshadowing. I understand that this is Game of Thrones and a big part of it is to subvert what the watcher actually wants and to make character's fates realistic, but they clearly also have a story to tell about Jon. I cannot see them throwing that out the window just for a shock death. No other character that has died in the past has the baggage that Jon has. Jon permanently dying at this point is just not good writing, and I say this as a person that did not feel this way when other favorite characters of mine died like Ned and Oberyn. I think people are misreading the storyline if they think it is just GRRM shitting on the good guys and being "realistic".
Daenerys: This is another part I liked. As someone that actually likes Daenerys' character, the prospect of her seemingly gaining a massive Dothraki army excites me. Oh yeah, and Varys' has reunited with Tyrion! My only complaint though is Dany "abandoning" her followers. The way they shot the end of last episode made it seem like there was still some Harpies wandering around. But it is clear from this episode that Dany and Drogon routed them as Tyrion, Daario, Missandei, and Jorah are not mad at Dany.
Overall, the reason I did not like this episode besides the stuff I mentioned like how abrupt it was, is I cannot actually gauge its quality until the next season. Which I am not a fan of. I can finally see why people are so frustrated with the end of the last two books as it leaves much to be desired. This season felt like a beginning and a middle with no end. I am not jumping ship from this show or anything and am anticipating season 6 more than I did season 5. I am just bummed out that the finale ends abrupt cliffhangers. Especially since the consequences are probably a lot of bait and switches with making characters looking like they died but not really. Maybe my opinion of this episode will change the more I think about it.
However, I do feel like this was an episode of Game of Thrones that I legitimately dislike. Maybe I am just salty over Jon's fate, but I felt this episode was just not good and felt like it was on fast forward. This season has generally been pretty slow and it seems almost like they skipped an episode or two between episode nine and the end of this episode.
Stannis: They build up this fight all season only for it to essentially happen off screen? What the hell? It was obvious that he was screwed, but they could have at least shown it. There is a difference between misleading viewers to turn their expectations upside down and misleading viewers with a bait and switch with no pay off. The only good thing I can say about Stannis' part is at least karma bit him hard. It was nice to see him completely broken in the end. I always liked Stannis' reliance of Melisandre's magic being analogous to a drug addiction. The more he uses it, the more he drives people away and loses a part of himself. At the same time, this causes him to grow increasingly reliant on it. In the end, it destroyed his life and he has lost everything. t is fitting to see him end up like that in this episode. Though Stannis probably is not even dead given the way they shot his "execution".
Sansa/Theon: I guess it was nice to see Theon finally snap and take charge finally. But I am not entirely sure what them jumping off of the wall means. Are they trying to escape or were they essentially dying on their own terms? I don't think both of them dead, though they could pull the whole body cushioned the fall down type of thing. The fact that they left it off of them mid air is really jarring as there is really no way for them to survive it, especially given they are probably not going to actually kill both of them off that way much like Stannis.
Dorne: Surprisingly, I actually liked this part, given that this storyline has been the weakest link this season. We finally got some resolution to what they have been building up. Plus I really liked the Jaime and Myrcella scene, I found it very touching.... til they revealed she was poisoned. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out in the future.
Cersei: The whole arc feels entirely pointless if the whole point of it was just to set her up for a revenge arc. There is of course going to be more to it as the prophecy is going strong with Myrcella seemingly dying and it is not like they were really going to kill Cersei off, but we got zero payoff this season in all. It was nice to see Cersei go through that humiliation, but it went way too long as in the grand scheme of things, Jon's supposed death and other events took precedence in importance for the finale. Seeing Cersei doing evil things is getting boring at this point as her character has not really undergone any development or major changes.
Arya: It going directly to her killing Trant was just odd to me the way it was shot. I know this season has had a lot of padding, but some things just need more set up and build up. Considering Trant finally arriving in Braavos last episode, it did not feel right to have the climax of her arc this season be this moment. And as with probably everyone else, I am completely confused of what happened at the end. I best guess is she is going to finally become "no one" as Arya Stark is "dead".
Jon: I honestly did not see that coming. I thought everyone saying Ollie and co were going to kill Jon were being silly as Jon clearly has a lot of importance in the storyline and there are still a lot of unanswered questions about him. I cannot say the Jon fanboy in me was happy about what happened to him. The Night's Watch are absolute morons as they killed the only person that was a good leader and understood the threat they were facing. If the Night's Watch stays the way it is right now, they will probably just desert the wall when the White Walkers come and leave everyone to fend for themselves.
Still, I am in the camp that he will be resurrected. I do not think they would really hint of Melisandre finding something special about him and make his parentage a big mystery if he really is to die so unceremoniously. And I doubt it is one big coincidence that Melisandre decides to show up the same time Jon dies. Not to mention I do not think they showed off Berric's ability to resurrect in the past just as something interesting. It clearly had meaning and foreshadowing. I understand that this is Game of Thrones and a big part of it is to subvert what the watcher actually wants and to make character's fates realistic, but they clearly also have a story to tell about Jon. I cannot see them throwing that out the window just for a shock death. No other character that has died in the past has the baggage that Jon has. Jon permanently dying at this point is just not good writing, and I say this as a person that did not feel this way when other favorite characters of mine died like Ned and Oberyn. I think people are misreading the storyline if they think it is just GRRM shitting on the good guys and being "realistic".
Daenerys: This is another part I liked. As someone that actually likes Daenerys' character, the prospect of her seemingly gaining a massive Dothraki army excites me. Oh yeah, and Varys' has reunited with Tyrion! My only complaint though is Dany "abandoning" her followers. The way they shot the end of last episode made it seem like there was still some Harpies wandering around. But it is clear from this episode that Dany and Drogon routed them as Tyrion, Daario, Missandei, and Jorah are not mad at Dany.
Overall, the reason I did not like this episode besides the stuff I mentioned like how abrupt it was, is I cannot actually gauge its quality until the next season. Which I am not a fan of. I can finally see why people are so frustrated with the end of the last two books as it leaves much to be desired. This season felt like a beginning and a middle with no end. I am not jumping ship from this show or anything and am anticipating season 6 more than I did season 5. I am just bummed out that the finale ends abrupt cliffhangers. Especially since the consequences are probably a lot of bait and switches with making characters looking like they died but not really. Maybe my opinion of this episode will change the more I think about it.
DangerMouse
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His timing is impeccable man.
He was probably like "Shit's calmed down for the moment and Tyrion's in charge, time to come out."
Yeah, though it was impressive they had half his men leave after what he pulled. That rebound karma.
I don't think the sell swords were disgusted by a man willing to burn his own daughter alive, I think more that they realized a man who could do that to his own daughter, would have no qualms doing the same to the them.
Only traitors and non-believers were sacrificed and burned alive for the Lord of Light. These men thought they were safe from that as long as they were loyal. Shireen's sacrifice made them realize otherwise so they bailed the first opportunity they got.
Stevetopsy
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Has anyone mentioned how the show left Dany? I just kind of remembered it after being jarred by Jon's ending. I just sighed and threw my arms up at her 1) Leaving the safety of her dragon. (Spend some time for him for christs sake) and 2) Wandering a strange countryside all by herself where she has no idea what is out there. It's like 1 step forward (take Mereen) 4 steps back (stay and rule Mereen)... 2 steps forward (Finally ride a dragon) theeeeen 10 steps back (get captured while wandering around like a fool), which will surely lead to 5-7 episodes of rescuing her. We might get to see her back to the position she was in at the start of this season by the end of next season if we're lucky. She is literally her own worst enemy.
Brienne has been shown to be a top tier fighter in the world and very clearly wants to get some vengeance for Renly. Stannis was bleeding like a stuck pig. If Stannis pulled a fast one on her I'm going to be pretty disappointed. Well.. I mean, more disappointed.
Fuck them and fuck Olly.
Jon should've killed the boy.
I had feeling the name of that episode had a meaning.
#TeamWhiteWalkers
MetalFearSolid
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Welp just watched the episode. Fuck this show they really killed off Jon Snow.
Did they really "capture" her though? Who knows whats going to happen there.
DangerMouse
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Yup, don't know how it will go but knew something would happen the moment she walked off.
Lan Dong Mik
And why would I want them?
Son of a bitch. I refuse to believe Jon Snow is dead.
Stannis is dead and not coming back. Jon's dead and not coming back. I'm certain. No I haven't read the books. That's just how Game of Thrones rolls.
shanafan
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Yep, it was the Dothraki. Confirmed from HBO's Inside the Episode.
Well.. they said that "it didn't work out well for Jon Snow." That leaves the door still wide open imo
Hours Left
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That was something...
I expect her remarrying will bite her in the ass.
IAmRandom31
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More them obvious that Sansa and Theon will now be hunted by Ramsay. He will catch up to them. Probably kill Theon and right before grabbing Sansa to take her back Brienne walks out and they fight. Brienne will win and her and Sansa will make for the wall. Which according to this show is like 2 days walk from Winterfell lol.
All that buildup of Stannis for ... That? So sad.
Arya is beginning to see what it is to be a faceless man. Next season should be most interesting for her . Her arc is the only one I like so far this entire show
Dany Is now surrounded by Dothraki with a hurt Drogon. So shocked. They will kill off Drogon next since that dragon has personality and we like it a little bit. Can't have that in this story now can we
I dunno. I guess the death of Jon was supposed to be surprising but that shit was choreographed weeks ago. " for the watch ". Fuck the watch.
Guess this story is about nothing more then making you want Westeros to burn. They hav done well at it.
Thank god this season is over. So bad. Just hope there is a good story somewhere in this giant clusterfuck that this show has turned into
All that buildup of Stannis for ... That? So sad.
Arya is beginning to see what it is to be a faceless man. Next season should be most interesting for her . Her arc is the only one I like so far this entire show
Dany Is now surrounded by Dothraki with a hurt Drogon. So shocked. They will kill off Drogon next since that dragon has personality and we like it a little bit. Can't have that in this story now can we
I dunno. I guess the death of Jon was supposed to be surprising but that shit was choreographed weeks ago. " for the watch ". Fuck the watch.
Guess this story is about nothing more then making you want Westeros to burn. They hav done well at it.
Thank god this season is over. So bad. Just hope there is a good story somewhere in this giant clusterfuck that this show has turned into
I think they committed suicide. At that height, even landing in a pool of water can be dangerous depending on how shallow it is. Falling on snow and ice will definitely kill them.
It'd be very disappointing if they cleared that height unscathed.
Nameless
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-'Kill the boy so the man can be born'
-'Jon always comes back'
-'There's power in you'
-Meli's perfect timing in showing up at The Wall
-Visions of her at Winterfell surrounded by burning Bolton banners.
Kit will have to sign on as a series regular on Walking Dead or something before I believe Jon is gone for good. The Snow will Rise
They also didn't make it a point to have Beric and Thoros discuss resurrection with Melisandre for no reason.
I am intrigued by the Dani's encounter with the Dothraki.
At first it seemed hostile, but then it seemed a little...celebratory?
Is it possible that they remember her as Khal Drogo's wife, and that still holds some sway with them?
My only question is, if Jon does come back (which I agree is likely), and he does ultimately march on Winterfell (also likely), who will be his army?
The few wildlings that survived seemed to be mostly women and children...and Wun Wun.
At first it seemed hostile, but then it seemed a little...celebratory?
Is it possible that they remember her as Khal Drogo's wife, and that still holds some sway with them?
My only question is, if Jon does come back (which I agree is likely), and he does ultimately march on Winterfell (also likely), who will be his army?
The few wildlings that survived seemed to be mostly women and children...and Wun Wun.
Yes, it was a "bread crumb" so that anyone looking for her can see that she's still alive.
I wouldn't say "definitely," but I'm not expecting them to avoid injury from that. Wouldn't surprise me if one (or both?) of them is severely injured or disabled.
Agreed. I don't think she was necessarily captured as a prisoner. Certainly possible, but I think there's more to it than that.
Someone grabbed Brianne, but it abruptly got edited into another scene. I think Stannis blood sacrifice worked.
UnObtainium17
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Jon is dead. Olly, that piece of filth fuck. All those crows. Fuck em. What about Jon's pal that escaped with him from Hardhome (the other crow with kinda long hair)?
This episode has me cheering for the White Walkers now. Fuck Westeros. That place is a disease.
The Red Queen's timing back to the wall is interesting. That one dude with one eye that got brought back to life like 30 times because of the fire god has me thinking... but then I realize; this is Game of Thrones. He's gone.
This episode has me cheering for the White Walkers now. Fuck Westeros. That place is a disease.
The Red Queen's timing back to the wall is interesting. That one dude with one eye that got brought back to life like 30 times because of the fire god has me thinking... but then I realize; this is Game of Thrones. He's gone.
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