What did Alliser think? I remember him giving a look to Janice
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ComputerBlue
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Theon/Reek grew up with the Stark kids so they are like siblings to him. I assume he's worried about her marrying Ramsay.
liliththepale
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He doesn't deserve to worry. Ramsay treated Reek the way he did because of how shit awful Reek was to the Starks. Ramsay will treat Sansa right.
Napalm_Frank
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Something something haven't been paying attention.
TheLostBigBoss
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Did you forget that time when he fed some poor girl to his dogs because some chick was jelly?
Did you see the stink eyes Sansa was getting from Ramsay's groupies?
Now, I don't think that Ramsay is going to jeopardize the north to torture Sansa and feed her to some dogs, but I highly doubt she's going to be treated "right".
They were buddies at least, right? It doesn't help Jon if he personally kills his rival's friend.
That is not why Ramsey tortured Theon.
ComputerBlue
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Yeah, he was buddies with Alliser but I don't think it'l matter. For one, he moved out of the way when Jon ordered to have him executed, obviously defending him would have gotten himself executed as well, but let's just say for the sake of it that he respects the code of the Nights Watch.
Second, they've been known to hate each other going as far back as Jon joined the Nights Watch, but it definitely seems like they respect each other as men of the Night's Watch. During the siege from the Wildling's you can sense the mutual respect.
Finally, last week when Jon made Alliser head of the Rangers shows that again, they might not like each other but they know that they are there for the greater good. Jon could have easily made Alliser a Janitor, but didn't.
I don't really see them as Rivals. More like a couple of guys who don't get along but do what they swore to do.
liliththepale
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Close enough. How much and in what way is superfluous.
All this shows is we disagree on what the right treatment for Sansa is.
Poor guy. Been in the Night's Watch almost his whole life, makes the trip all the way to Castle Black and loses in a landslide.
Ramsey is way worse than Theon ever was. I think at this point Theon deserves death to end his suffering, and I can easily see it happening this season, probably after some redemptive act.
I'm happy to see his story get picked up again. It was easily the best part of season 2.
I'm happy to see his story get picked up again. It was easily the best part of season 2.
RustyNails
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Lots of guys have been in Night's Watch their whole lives. Snow got a lot of votes because he decided to venture north of the wall all alone to talk to king beyond the wall, in what most likely would have been a suicide mission. He also took the charge of castle black during the siege after Alliser was wounded. Sam also mentions that the youngest lord commander of the night watch was a 10 year old boy.
TheLostBigBoss
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Ramsey tortured Theon basically for fun. Considering his father backstabbed Robb, I don't think his bastard son gave two shits about what Theon did.
And what do you think is the "right" treatment for Sanas is?
ComputerBlue
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Yeah, I was just joking.
That's a story I'd like to hear.
That's a story I'd like to hear as well. It's one thing to earn Lord of Winterfell because of birthright, but to be made Lord Commander of the Night's Watch at that age, kid must have been one hell of a matured bad ass, a fookin legend.
RustyNails
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Also, why was Aemon absent from that meeting with Jon Snow handing out duties 
Hoping all is well with him.
Hoping all is well with him.liliththepale
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Yes, but he would have had a different target for his fun if Theon hadn't betrayed the Starks. He only did that as an extension of the mission Roose sent him on.
Sansa should be treated like a lady as long as she's subservient to Ramsay. The only thing she holds is her family's name; not any cunning, nor bravery, nor mirth, so she is owed very little aside from safety for the time being. The Boltons hold the north now and it's in Sansa's best interest to respect that. She was taught to be a subservient lady by her septas and family, so that's still her place for now.
Also, why was Aemon absent from that meeting with Jon Snow handing out duties
He's probably the oldest person in Westeros. I'm surprised he can still walk.
ComputerBlue
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I know you like Ramsay, but I think you like him too much because you're forgetting that he's crazy. Absolutely crazy, abusive, cruel, heartless, ruthless, evil, scum.
It does not matter how she acts, or how she treats him, if he wants to harm her just for fun, he'll do it.
liliththepale
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There was a time when I cheered for the noble and the brave. Then my soul got battered and beaten. Now I cheer for the exciting, and Ramsay excites me. I recognize how depraved that is but it doesn't change my stance.
ComputerBlue
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That's fine, I like him too, he's an interesting character. But I feel like you're letting it blur the truth and looking for reasons as to why he isn't so bad, when there are none.
liliththepale
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You're probably right. I'll knock it off.
RustyNails
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How can anyone "cheer" for Ramsay...he's a monster. Theon was a little shit, but he didn't need to get tortured and his dick cut. He flayed a lord's wife and kid infront of his eyes because the lord didn't pay the tax. After the lord paid the tax, he flayed him too. As much as I hate Reek, I hope he takes a solid revenge on Ramsay, or Sansa shanks him in sleep. Pure evil bastard.
liliththepale
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From my point of view, the Jedi are evil.
IAmRandom31
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You guys seem to be forgetting that Stannis will be marching on Winterfell very soon. How long does it take to get to the Wall from Winterfell or vice versa. Stannis has an army so the March is slower but not by too much. Id guess a few weeks maybe? Never seemed to take long for anyone like when Jon Snow went up there the first time.
So yeah. Sansa doesn't need to do political games even if she doesn't know that. No doubt she will try to set herself up in the best of positions but whatever happens won't change the fact that Stannis is going to obliterate the Boltons soon enough
I wonder if Littlefinger is already aware of Stannis at the wall? It would be shocking if he wasn't aware of that. The Boltons seem oblivious though unless I missed something.
If Littlefinger does know bringing Sansa to Winterfell could of him setting it up to where she would be in position to hold Winterfell since she is the only Stark around while Stannis moves to kings landing
Also, Alliser knows that Janos was a chickenshit.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
liliththepale
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Absolutely only a Sith?
Absolutely.
soundscream
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Also, why was Aemon absent from that meeting with Jon Snow handing out duties
Sam said he wasn't feeling well. My guess is he isn't long for this world, which seems appropriate, John has had to many wins this season.
Nameless
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Stannis marches on Winterfell in a fortnight. That's roughly the same amount of time between Robb agreeing to the Freys' terms at Riverrun, and the Red Wedding. Not to say Sansa's going to be penning letters of doom like Tywin, or even that her move will be political, but things can happen in 14+ days.
It is pretty hilarious how she's grown, matured, finally found her back home just to end up in the exact same predicament of being engaged to a psycho while also facing an impending siege by the One True King, Stannis Baratheon. Only his time she can't even get shit faced on Dornish Red with Cersei.
lastplayed
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If Mannis doesn't take Winterfell then I'm out. Done. He has one chance left.
Stannis is confident he's going to retake Winterfell and mount Roose's head on a spike.
Therefore Stannis is going to die.
borborygmus
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That makes sense, knowing this show. But doesn't Sansa legitimize Roose Bolton or something to that effect now?
Presumably Roose sees Sansa marrying Ramsay as giving their hold of the North credibility, and an opportunity to get the Northern lords on side.
However, the Boltons are obviously a horribly family and betrayed the Starks. Stannis couldn't trust them to maintain the North if he became King, it would be in his better interests to take out the Boltons, and keep Sansa there as Wardeness of the North.
Ooh yes I could see this happening.
borborygmus
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The entire Stannis situation is getting complicated as hell. We know Brienne is on Sansa's tail as well, so you're probably right that there's going to be something significant going down, like Stannis dying.
Kenzodielocke
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As long there is Melisandre beside Mannis, he will never be the true king I want him to be.
lastplayed
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In any case, it feels like the juicy political fights are happening in the North this season, whereas it was mostly in King's Landing last year.
Fine by me, we deserve some Northern justice.
ErinIsADrunk
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My guess is that Reek/Theon at some point helps/saves Sansa from either Ramsay or one of his lovers showing Ramsay that some of Theon is still in there.
LonelyGreyWolf
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When Theons sister came to rescue him and he refused, he screamed that he was Reek and didn't listen to anything she said. Why would he suddenly have Theon in him now?
ErinIsADrunk
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He's known Sansa a lot longer than his sister?
He'd also been tricked by Ramsay into thinking that Ramsay was helping him escape before.
Kenzodielocke
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Don't forget about the jealous girl of Ramsay. Either she's going to be dangerous to Sansa or Ramsay.
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