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Well they were for sure pimping Rhaegar on this last episode, the intent is showing if that's the case.
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Well they were for sure pimping Rhaegar on this last episode, the intent is showing if that's the case.
AuthenticM
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Cersei is a cunt and I hope she dies.
lastplayed
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Valar morghulis
ComputerBlue
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What happened here, looks like a bunch of posts got deleted.
I don't want Cersei to die, as scum bag as she is, she's a great character and a great actress.
I don't want Cersei to die, as scum bag as she is, she's a great character and a great actress.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Lena is awesome
BUT
I will never forgive Cersei
for killing Lady
Also she's running thin with me on her psychosis of fratricide obsession. Her new schtick vs Margaery gives her character a fresher breath of air for me.
the_firewithin
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Cersei's demise will be for something extremely stupid that she over looks I'm betting. Couldn't guess what but for as good a schemer she is it would be fitting
ComputerBlue
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If she goes, what female villains are left? None. She can't die.
Also, when the hell are we going to see the what's going on with Frankenmountain.
chicko1983
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what if Margery turns out as bad/evil as cersei?
I mean she has hinted that she could/would kill people if she needed to. I remember something she said to loras hinting something along those lines. Obviously it wouldn't be by her hands, but the Old Woman Tyrell was potentially evil too.
And there is also the Martell woman who is very angry and vengeful
liliththepale
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ComputerBlue
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I definitely think Margaery has a good amount of evil in her and does a damn good job hiding it. But I don't think she'd be as vicious, cruel or hateful as Cersei.
liliththepale
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In what respect, or to what end? I think stuff like the crossbow scene was just her trying to reach out to Joff.
The Mad King killed Ned's father and brother and order Jon Aryn to arrest Ned so he would be executed as well.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Im sure others can fill the most hateable role easily... this is GRRM universe we are talking about! Like how the Boltons are rising in prominence now...
I'd be sad if Lena goes away from the show though
But I will never ever forgive Cersei~ NEVARRRR
ComputerBlue
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Nothing in particular, I just get this feeling that she's really two faced and does a damn good job of playing the sweet girl when she's ultimately an evil person.
lol
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Cersei is the worst but being an excellent villain and causing so much frustrating pain for other characters makes for good television. I feel her dying would be a bit anticlimactic in that respect, but you never know, she is a legitimately horrible person to everyone, especially those who don't deserve it. I think the hardest thing will be if they ever try to write in a redemption arc. Though I figure that was reserved for Jamie.
I think there's a lot of common ground between Margery and Cersei actually. They're both ruthless and power hungry, the difference being Margery is a bit more relaxed and clever about how to obtain it, and Cersei kinda lucked into it, is an idiot, and is reckless with her use of power. Cersei can see exactly what Margery is doing because it's the kind of shit she'd do herself, and Margery knows Cersei can see it.
I think there's a lot of common ground between Margery and Cersei actually. They're both ruthless and power hungry, the difference being Margery is a bit more relaxed and clever about how to obtain it, and Cersei kinda lucked into it, is an idiot, and is reckless with her use of power. Cersei can see exactly what Margery is doing because it's the kind of shit she'd do herself, and Margery knows Cersei can see it.
liliththepale
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That's a good analysis, but I don't think being ruthless or power hungry are intrinsically bad things. Margaery has been doing lots of good with her power, so if that's what she hungers for then I'll absolutely cheer her on.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Yeah, pretty much. I think that's the difference between the two; they both know how to play the game and are willing to put on an act and manipulate people to obtain and stay in power, but they both apply the strategy differently. Margaery might have a legitimately good heart, but she's also well aware of the strength behind positive public image. If the people love you you've got one less fight. Cersei has (or had) the power and doesn't give a fuck, and so is a bit more reckless in her diplomacy.
ComputerBlue
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That would suck.
Other than visiting the poor that one time I don't remember her doing anything else that was good.
liliththepale
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She worked with Joffrey to try to get him kinder, and she offered the spare wedding food to the poor. She was also very generous and understanding with Renly, and has treated Sansa very kindly.
YesNOnoNOYes
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I really like how complex Marge is <3 She's just awesome. Equal parts of ruthless and sweetness.
Cersei needs to take a few pages from her book, imo
ComputerBlue
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She wanted Joffrey to be liked so she would remain queen.
Spare food, yeah that was good.
With Renly she had no choice if she wanted to remain queen.
Even Cersei treated Sansa kindly.
But my main point is, again, that I think she's a really good two face and isn't what she sells.
chicko1983
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So was it her grandma that killed joffrey on her own, or was it Margery asking for Joffrey to be killed?
Was it ever definitive who killed joffrey? Or deliberately left ambiguous? Did Varys or Littlefinger own up to it?
I cant remember how the last series went down now, haha.
liliththepale
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In her case, the means justify the ends.
I think the implication is Olenna and Petyr planned it. Although it's technically possible that Margaery had a hand in it, she was pretty clearly upset that it happened before she consumated the marraige and was made queen.
Funky Papa
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Par with the course.
UnObtainium17
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I hated when bronn asked jamie how he wanted to die. Jamie said in the arms of the woman she loved... That is some neckbeard grrm foreshadowing right there if i ever see one.
Kenzodielocke
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What happens when Tommen dies ? I have the feeling he's going to die, because I kinda like him..
Never forget: Jaime is an asshole forever. I do not forgive,
Never forget: Jaime is an asshole forever. I do not forgive,
Funky Papa
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Cersei goes full on jihad?
It would've been a bloodbath there and then if this happened when Joff was still king.
I think the last scene felt off to me but just because it had to be fucking Grey Worm and Ser Barrison that made it through didn't it? Of COURSE it was only the main 2 that were left fighting at the end, none of the other unsullied could have shown the same fight GW did.
LonelyGreyWolf
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Baelish took the credit for it, but I mean, we don't know the truth for certain.
borborygmus
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One thing that was a bit sloppy in the episode was that Tommen's signature was required to arm them in the first place. Cersei promised she would get Tommen's approval, and then it immediately cut to the scene of the Sparrows setting up their army.
Later, Tommen didn't really seem to be aware of the Sparrows being armed or what that meant.
It's also too convenient that there wasn't a scene where Tommen spoke to Cersei about what was going on. They'd pretty clearly disagree about what the fanatics were doing, and I'd like to see how Tommen would handle that. He may be weak, but ultimately, his word is law, and he would get his way. I don't buy that he isn't getting his way against his mom.
The grandma admitted to it and Little Finger basically admitted to cooperating.
She donated food to the poor at the wedding. Ot at least she tried to until Cersei stopped it. But she does talk of her charity from time to time.
Given the length of the show I don't think they need to waste precious screen time on random acts of kindness. Its implied well enough, the people treat her like "Mhysa" whenever she comes thru the city.
His word isn't law. He has a regent. Joffrey threw everything off with his term and how he grasped power but Tommen is far too young to rule. And he hasn't shown the attitude that he would rebel.
Honestly I don't get the "weak" comments. He's a young boy who seemingly doesn't have much interest in being King. And he probably didn't know how to respond to the incest comments thrown at him. He's probably confused as shit about what they were saying.
borborygmus
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I'm not clear on how official the regency is, this time around. I know Cersei's handling the small council meetings, but I don't think Cersei can openly oppose any decision he makes. I'd have liked to see them interact last episode, and it was a bit contrived that they didn't.
Stating that he's weak is just a fact, not really a complaint or criticism, and it's relative to the people of the world in the show. He's one of the most virtuous characters, but unfortunately that just increases the likelihood that he's going to get tortured/killed.
ErinIsADrunk
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Margaery has always struck me as the type who wants to be liked and loved by the people because she understands its importance, but she isn't afraid to scheme and exercise her power to get what she wants. I think the key difference between her and Cersei is that Cersei takes after her father in not concerning herself with the opinions of sheep. Margaery understands that a good queen is loved as much or even more than as she is feared.
I find it amazing that Cersei who loves her children more than anything (except maybe power) just completely undermined her son. I don't think this is going to end well for Tommen.
I find it amazing that Cersei who loves her children more than anything (except maybe power) just completely undermined her son. I don't think this is going to end well for Tommen.
SuperStiltzkin
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Cersei knows Tommen would just be Margery's puppet anyways, as indicated by his suggestion that she return to Casterly Rock. In her eyes she's undermining him in order to protect him from Margery's manipulation.
Funky Papa
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It's quite literally a case of "mommy knows best".
Only that mom is a vicious imbecile who thinks she's way smarter than she actually is.
Only that mom is a vicious imbecile who thinks she's way smarter than she actually is.
weremichael
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Melisandre is still around, so I don't get your point. How is she not perceived as evil? She's a cold hearted murderer for a milktoast wannabe king.
Consumating the marriage would only have mattered if she had got pregnant. Otherwise when Joffrey died, Tommen was next in line for the throne. She had to marry him to be Queen. And she did.
It was a plot by Olenna and Littlefinger. They both openly admit that on the show; Olenna to Margaery and Littlefinger to Sansa.
LonelyGreyWolf
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Baelish is the same as Littlefinger. Littlefinger is just a nickname.
It can be a fact and still be pretty nonsensical to point out, they are not mutually exclusive and I think that's the case here.
And I don't agree with the last statement either. There's been plenty of deaths, from both sides of the coin. Its a story, plot determines who needs to die or not. I don't see what the plot would gain from tommens death. He hasn't wronged anybody, there would be no sense of revenge with offrey already gone. And the implications would only seem to put Stannis on the throne as the rightful king.
GIANKRATOS
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Melisandre?
Daenerys?
GIANKRATOS
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She suddenly becomes mad like her father, it's hereditary lol
freakzilla149
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Well, she is the result of generations of incest...
D.Lo
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If by suddenly you mean 'the last two seasons'
I wonder if the arming of the birdies will backfire on her.
She slept with the cousin that's one of them, so he knows that she committed a crime against the gods (I guess that counts too), and if he's a bit smart he'll start thinking that Tommen might really be Jamie's son.
They could try and kill them both, maybe only Tommen will die and she'll be all kinds of broken (I kind of hope that happens, even if I like Tommen).
Sure, they'll have to kill the cousin too, but he's going nuts, he'll see it as penitence or something I guess.
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