Game of Thrones |OT| *UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Season 4 Offseason Thread

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Jayof9s said:
Revised that for you. We might see WOW before the series ends, but I'm guessing we'll see WOW material in the show before the book is released.

Edit: I'm glad I've never cared about spoilers. Some people are going to be mighty sad when the series finishes years before the last book ever gets released and they have to try and duck spoilers, because apparently for some people the only enjoyable part about the show/books are the surprises. Not the writing, story, characters or anything else.
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I care about spoilers when they come from asshats being asshats or entertainment sites being asshats but I don't really care if the book or the show gets where ever it goes first. It's not going to affect my looking forward to one or the other, if it did I wouldn't care about the fourth season of the show starting. I caught up and passed the show when I finally got to reading the books. I didn't start that until after the season episode of season three when my copies of the first four arrived. I only started with the show a couple weeks before the third season premiered as someone finally pushed me over the edge of checking the show out and also into checking out the books and I'm glad they did.

I'm sure they'll be able to stretch The Winds of Winter (I can't call it WoW, that's World of Warcraft for me) into two seasons or at least one and a half or so like ASoS. Hoping now that TWoW makes it out in 2015 but by the time season seven rolls around in 2017 there's no avoiding the show getting ahead unless George somehow gets into a pace similar to the one after AGoT was published with ACoK and ASoS though I imagine a great deal of why he moved so fast with them was because they were already fleshed out in where he was going. Hard to believe the man who took 11 years to release the last two books put out the previous three over the course of just four years before without already having a big head start with where he was going which makes since since he apparently started in 1991 and slowly took it from there.
 
sooperkool said:
A thing to consider is that HBO will delay a season of GoT just like they did with he Sopranos near the end.
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There is no way this would happen just so GRRM could catch up. The books and the show are separate entities at this point, and the showrunners know exactly what they need to know to finish the show via info from GRRM (this has been said a million times over).
 
Pkaz01 said:
So the Blu-Ray is on Amazon prime for 39.96 right now, is that as good as its going to get?
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If I recall correctly, Amazon price-matched to 35 a week or two before it came out last year.

If that happens again you don't need to worry, they'll change the price for you regardless of when you placed the order.
 
Steelyuhas said:
If I recall correctly, Amazon price-matched to 35 a week or two before it came out last year.

If that happens again you don't need to worry, they'll change the price for you regardless of when you placed the order.
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oh ok I payed 39.99 after it already had come out last year cause I missed that deal so I was hoping it didn't happen again. Good to know they will price match. Thanks!
 
Speaking of Blu-ray sets, as a PSA Best Buy will have Stark, Lannister, and Targaryen covers. They are currently listing the set for $60 though.
 
Steelyuhas said:
Speaking of Blu-ray sets, as a PSA Best Buy will have Stark, Lannister, and Targaryen covers. They are currently listing the set for $60 though.
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If these go down to ~$35, as they usually do, I'll probably get the Stark one. Already have a Lannister one (I think), and fuck the Targaryens. The covers for the non-best buy copies are so damn ugly. Don't know what they were thinking with that art, other than maybe they had to come up with something 5 minutes.
 
PHOENIXZERO said:
I'm sure they'll be able to stretch The Winds of Winter (I can't call it WoW, that's World of Warcraft for me) into two seasons or at least one and a half or so like ASoS. Hoping now that TWoW makes it out in 2015 but by the time season seven rolls around in 2017 there's no avoiding the show getting ahead unless George somehow gets into a pace similar to the one after AGoT was published with ACoK and ASoS...
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Well, if I'd been more precise I expect we'll see some TWOW in 2015 while they wrap up AFFC/ADWD but we'll definitely be seeing ADOS by 2017, possibly with some TWOW, and maybe a 2018 season. But I'm really expecting the series to end in 2017. Especially without the books I think we'll get a storyline with a lot less fat.

Although, even finishing up in 2017, I can't even imagine how old the kids will be looking by then.
 
Paganmoon said:
IIRC, there hasn't been a casting for those two, so highly unlikely they'll show up.
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If they use them it'd probably be next season. I could take or leave much of the Dorne stuff but I have a feeling they're going to use as much as they can within budget/time to pad things out. Still, if they use Quentyn I can't imagine them bothering with his journey to Mereen beyond maybe their arrival in the merc camp if they don't just have him show up at the in Mereen. Might be interesting how they handle Tyrion's story since he's got a good bit they could use and I imagine they'll be making as much use of it as possible. Do wonder if they'll bring in Penny, guess we might find out if they are when we see the Purple Wedding.

Jayof9s said:
Well, if I'd been more precise I expect we'll see some TWOW in 2015 while they wrap up AFFC/ADWD but we'll definitely be seeing ADOS by 2017, possibly with some TWOW, and maybe a 2018 season. But I'm really expecting the series to end in 2017. Especially without the books I think we'll get a storyline with a lot less fat.

Although, even finishing up in 2017, I can't even imagine how old the kids will be looking by then.
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True and I agree about the kids though it'd be kind of funny if the kid who plays Bran developed a really deep voice.
 
Steelyuhas said:
Speaking of Blu-ray sets, as a PSA Best Buy will have Stark, Lannister, and Targaryen covers. They are currently listing the set for $60 though.
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Futureshop in Canada is getting these as well. I'll be picking up the Lannister one as I already have Stark for S1 (and Greyjoy for S2).
 
dubq said:
There is no way this would happen just so GRRM could catch up. The books and the show are separate entities at this point, and the showrunners know exactly what they need to know to finish the show via info from GRRM (this has been said a million times over).
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Indeed. Given the spiraling nature of the narrative as well as the increasing cast of characters in the books, from the practical viewpoint of cost alone as well as retaining a sizeable cast of actors the show runners are pretty much forced to make concessions regarding the story-line. The idea that the show would go on hiatus is a non starter.
 
Count of Monte Sawed-Off said:
If these go down to ~$35, as they usually do, I'll probably get the Stark one. Already have a Lannister one (I think), and fuck the Targaryens. The covers for the non-best buy copies are so damn ugly. Don't know what they were thinking with that art, other than maybe they had to come up with something 5 minutes.
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I didn't get a Stark one for season 1, so I'll probably get that assuming the price drops. I'm not a huge fan of the Season 3 key art anyways, so it's kind of a no-brainer.
 
ronito said:
Do you think they'll combine books 4 and 5 into one season? Might be doable with two or three extra episodes.
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Elements of AFFC and ADWD are being rolled into this season already (
Brienne and Pod's journey, Theon at Moat Cailin, Iron Bank and Stannis, Dany in Meereen, Bran and Bloodraven
). We'll see the bulk of it next season, with a couple of things added into the season after that, I imagine.

There's every chance that next year is going to be the first in which we see developments on screen before they appear in the books.
 
Exterminieren said:
Elements of AFFC and ADWD are being rolled into this season already (
Brienne and Pod's journey, Theon at Moat Cailin, Iron Bank and Stannis, Dany in Meereen, Bran and Bloodraven
). We'll see the bulk of it next season, with a couple of things added into the season after that, I imagine.

There's every chance that next year is going to be the first in which we see developments on screen before they appear in the books.
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I think we'll see some stuff this year. Or at least hints towards the direction they're going, like how season 3 sort of confirmed that Melisandre and Arya will probably meet in the books at some point.
 
So did the show just make up the part about theon being castrated by the bastard? Didn't see that in the book at all unless I missed it.

Also where do you guys see Bran and Arya's storylines ending up? I know he's setting them up for something since they get so much attention in the books but it almost seems pointless to me they're located so far away from everything. I know Bran is a Warg and Arya is learning how to disguise herself? Maybe he's setting Arya up to be an assassin?
 
Marz said:
Maybe he's setting Arya up to be an assassin?
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Arya is pretty much already an assassin after murdering someone as part of her training. She still has her list of people to kill and I'd like to see her kill Cersei. Maybe even taking a Lannister face to fulfill the God awful Maggy the Frog Prophecy.
 
Marz said:
So did the show just make up the part about theon being castrated by the bastard? Didn't see that in the book at all unless I missed it.

Also where do you guys see Bran and Arya's storylines ending up? I know he's setting them up for something since they get so much attention in the books but it almost seems pointless to me they're located so far away from everything. I know Bran is a Warg and Arya is learning how to disguise herself? Maybe he's setting Arya up to be an assassin?
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It's insinuated multiple times in ADWD, culminating in the scene where Ramsay forces Theon to perform oral sex on Jeyne since it's the "only" way he can pleasure a woman now.

I think Arya will be heading back to Westeros soon. There are theories that Izembaro, the character she's told will train her next, might be Tobho Mott, the King's Landing blacksmith.
http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/16nt2d/my_arya_theory_spoilers_all/c7xp28t

Also it's worth noting that Justin Massey is on his way to Braavos to hire sellswords. If Arya hears he's on his way back to the Wall, she might follow him.
 
- WiC.net: New casting for Theon’s storyline
According to the CV of British actor Grahame Fox, he’ll be playing the role of Kenning in an upcoming episode directed by Alex Graves. In the novel, Ralf Kenning is an Ironborn captain stationed at Moat Cailin, in a very tense situation. Whether the same stronghold will figure in the show, or if Theon will encounter the captain and his men somewhere else is yet to be determined.
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More via the link.
 
ronito said:
Do you think they'll combine books 4 and 5 into one season? Might be doable with two or three extra episodes.
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Lol, no. The show is already rushed beyond hell & back as it is. Cramming two near-thousand page books into 12-13 episodes is not doable at all, if they want to maintain any kind of sensible pacing. Not even if they were to trim all the Daario-pining and some of Brienne's stuff from AFFC.

Also, if TWOW is a 2015 release, then I could see perfectly well AFFC/ADWD/TWOW stuff lasting for us until at least 2016 or even the 2017 season and like a lot of shows have done (Sopranos, Breaking Bad and the like), I don't see why they couldn't take a 1,5-2 year hiatus after that for the off chance that Martin could perhaps be done with the books in 2018-2019.

Marz said:
So did the show just make up the part about theon being castrated by the bastard? Didn't see that in the book at all unless I missed it.

Also where do you guys see Bran and Arya's storylines ending up? I know he's setting them up for something since they get so much attention in the books but it almost seems pointless to me they're located so far away from everything. I know Bran is a Warg and Arya is learning how to disguise herself? Maybe he's setting Arya up to be an assassin?
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Arya is going through the whole Faceless Men training thing, which does make her a potential assassin (although I'm sure they have different kinds of jobs and not just assassins). She could tie into the story in a multitude of ways. For example, the Lannisters/King's Landing is having problems with the Iron Bank of Braavos, refusing to pay back their loan, which is a BIG no-no as far as the Bank of Braavos is considered. That's going to raise some (possibly quiet kind of) hell. Maybe Arya will be sent to handle the matter. Or maybe she'll tie into some slightly more surprising events (as Arya getting revenge on Lannisters is a bit too predictable...). Or maybe she'll run off and do her own thing.

Bran is a bit harder to anticipate, I'm not sure if he's ever going to come back from beyond the wall. He might have some kind of key role from afar (figuring out what the Others are and somehow helping with getting rid of them in some voodoo way). Or maybe he will get out of where he is at, if they find out he's been warging into a human, which seems to be forbidden, and will be kicked out as a result.
 
I just finished watching all the current episodes of the TV series and want to know, before I choose to read, what are the differences between the TV series and the book series?
 
Avixph said:
I just finished watching all the current episodes of the TV series and want to know, before I choose to read, what are the differences between the TV series and the book series?
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There's a lot of minor stuff, but so far nothing major.

Some book characters being consolidated, a lot of book characters being omitted, etc. But no one of great importance.

But if you are a fan of the series then I would recommend reading the books, they are good

If you find the metric ton of words that is all 3 and a half books that you need to catch up on, then you can just start at the beginning of book 3 (A storm of swords) and you will be fine.
 
I just finished watching all the current episodes of the TV series and want to know, before I choose to read, what are the differences between the TV series and the book series?
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It's just like video versions of Dune: not even close to portraying every character moment that matters, and it's the ABCs of the universe and lore.
 
Subitai said:
You can skip this first two books, but you'll be super confused because the show cuts out a lot of side characters and events.
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Definitely don't do this.
If you're going to read the books, start at the beginning. There's no other way to do it. The side-characters and details are too different from the show, and they rack up throughout the first two books to the point where starting with the thrid, you will get confused a lot. Not to mention the disservice you'd be doing yourself skipping two great books.
 
Yonafunu said:
Definitely don't do this.
If you're going to read the books, start at the beginning. There's no other way to do it. The side-characters and details are too different from the show, and they rack up throughout the first two books to the point where starting with the thrid, you will get confused a lot. Not to mention the disservice you'd be doing yourself skipping two great books.
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Yes, start from the beginning if you're going to read the books. The show doesn't really do them justice.
 
Victory Red said:
There's a lot of minor stuff, but so far nothing major.

Some book characters being consolidated, a lot of book characters being omitted, etc. But no one of great importance.

But if you are a fan of the series then I would recommend reading the books, they are good

If you find the metric ton of words that is all 3 and a half books that you need to catch up on, then you can just start at the beginning of book 3 (A storm of swords) and you will be fine.
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I feel the Arya storyline has been changed a bit more than "minor" in S02-03.
 
Yonafunu said:
Definitely don't do this.
If you're going to read the books, start at the beginning. There's no other way to do it. The side-characters and details are too different from the show, and they rack up throughout the first two books to the point where starting with the thrid, you will get confused a lot. Not to mention the disservice you'd be doing yourself skipping two great books.
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I don't like telling people not to do something, cause then they immediately feel compelled to do it.
 
bengraven said:
This is the correct answer.

You would be missing a huge chunk of the story.
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Yonafunu said:
Definitely don't do this.
If you're going to read the books, start at the beginning. There's no other way to do it. The side-characters and details are too different from the show, and they rack up throughout the first two books to the point where starting with the thrid, you will get confused a lot. Not to mention the disservice you'd be doing yourself skipping two great books.
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Count of Monte Sawed-Off said:
Yes, start from the beginning if you're going to read the books. The show doesn't really do them justice.
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Okay thanks I'll keep these things in mind for when ever I have time to begin reading the books..
 
jett said:
Eh, suffice to say several non-readers collectively rubbed me the wrong way during the Red Wedding debacle, demanding readers to get banned just because they posted anything in their stupid little thread. I was one of those that tried their damndest to keep the poor illiterates spoiler-free but after that childish display I simply don't give a single fuck anymore whether somebody potentially ruins the show for them or not.
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This is a bad attitude to have. I recently read all the books but I was a show watcher, how does that make me illiterate because I chose to watch the show that introduced me to the world before I read the books?

I tried to keep the calm myself, but I lost my shit when the RW happened and you have guys who've read the books post laughing gifs or rub it in. And let's be honest, it wasn't the show watchers that were the reason so many got banned, it was because Bish had just watched the show too and gave a blanket warning to anyone to not post anything even remotely close to do with the books and several got banned. Not that it was right.

Quite a few people who had read the books were nice and helpful and explained things that weren't necessarily clear, but more often than not, looking back, I'd say a lot of book readers purposely dropped spoilers or hints and pretended to guess everything. Now that I've read the books myself I can join in discussions here as opposed to the show watcher thread, but I know what it was like the past few seasons, so I won't ruin it for anyone. Don't know where your anger really comes from? So what if they don't want to read the books, how does that make them entitled or illiterate?
 
Avixph said:
I just finished watching all the current episodes of the TV series and want to know, before I choose to read, what are the differences between the TV series and the book series?
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Instead of getting injured during his fight with Jaime, Ned actually broke his leg when a horse fell on him.
 
The problem is there are bad apples on both sides of this that are making each side look bad as a whole, and in turn it has created a stupid hivemind mentality that causes so much hostility between everyone. Stop lumping everyone into groups of "asshole book readers" and "douchebag show watchers". Just ignore the same repeat offense people as soon as you recognize them. The majority of people want everyone to enjoy the show just as much as the next person. I think Cornballer being a mod this time around will help a lot in silencing those idiots on both sides of this situation.

Everyone can enjoy the show and books however they want. Personally, I would tell someone who is this deep into the show that hasn't read anything yet to stay the course and keep it that way. Mainly because they've already come this far, and I think it's going to be neat to see the overall opinion they have of the show at the end when it's completed in comparison to the opinion of someone who has read the books already. And that way they can completely judge the show based on how good of a TV show it was and not solely on how good of a story it was.

The part where it gets tricky is for us book readers who are at the risk of the show passing the books. :( That will cause a huge dilemma for me. More than likely I will continue watching the show if it does indeed pass old GRRM, but a part of me will want to wait and finish the books before the show. As someone who got into the books after season one, I feel like I do a pretty good job at separating the two, but as soon as I watch a new season the lines begin to blur for me when I try and recall certain events. But maybe reading book seven after the last season of the show would be a nice treat to see what's different or not different.
 
The first book compared to the first season is almost a direct adaptation in comparison to all the changes they made from ACoK and ASoS in seasons two and three.

Speaking of unwarranted spoilers, too bad HBO doesn't moderate their Game of Thrones Facebook page, every time they post something the comments get filled with spoilers by miserable jackholes. Someday during the show's run some unhinged person is probably going to be pushed over the edge by it, hunt one of those assholes down and flay and geld them.
 
Cornballer said:
- WiC.net: S3 Blu-ray review hits, reveals details on deleted scenes and more
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istories & Lore (Disc 5, HD): The third season’s animated “Histories & Lore” videos — specifically those pertaining to Westeros’ history and mythology — cover everything from the Battle of Qohor to the Vale. Segments include:

Old Ghis & Slaver’s Bay (Jorah Mormont )
House Reed (Meera Reed)
House Bolton (Roose Bolton)
House Frey (Catelyn Stark)
House Tully (The Blackfish)
The Lord of Light (Thoros of Myr)
Wargs and the Sight (Bran Stark)
The Red Keep (King Joffrey)
Robert’s Rebellion (Petyr Baelish and Lord Varys)
The North (Jon Snow)
The Reach (Margaery Tyrell)
The Riverlands (The Blackfish)
The Stormlands (Brienne of Tarth)
The Westerlands (Tywin Lannister)
The Vale (Petyr Baelish)
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Always love the History & Lore on the BR's.

Although I was hoping for the Blackfyre Rebellion and Dance of the Dragons.
 
I think that as the series catches up with the books we will see a greater deviation from the source. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we already start to see big parts of the history being modified on this season already. As in, huge differences, specially regarding Daenery's story (Going straight to Westeros after the Meeren's debacle without waiting to her nephew or something along these lines).
 
Ikael said:
I think that as the series catches up with the books we will see a greater deviation from the source. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we already start to see big parts of the history being modified on this season already.
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Drizz Lannister to win the Kingsmoot.
 
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