winjer
Member
Don't be dishonest. GN is still delivering a lot of high quality reviews for hardware. Better than most channels, and much, much better than anything LTT has done in a decade.
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Gamers Nexus - The Problem with Linus Tech Tips: Accuracy, Ethics, & Responsibility
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Don't be dishonest. GN is still delivering a lot of high quality reviews for hardware. Better than most channels, and much, much better than anything LTT has done in a decade.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
They just had a 40 minutes long video with an NVIDIA thermal engineer. How is that not quality content?
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Thebonehead
Gold Member
Think we have found the LMG employees in the chat
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
GN are the only journalists with any semblance of integrity tbh. They seem to be the only channel that call out B.S. practices from manufacturers regardless if this hurts their ability to review latest HW.
winjer
Member
Exactly. Meanwhile, Linus is the kind of guy that would sell his own mother, to get more clicks and sponsorships.
Yeah, not long before that they had a teardown of the unreleased Titan prototype, and that video led me to another one showing Steve with EVGA while they played with a 4090 on their last ever card. The quality on GN is consistently high.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I disagree. He absolutely should have spoken to him about it. That is the right thing to do.
kevboard
Member
he is if he wants to be taken seriously as a journalist.
the fact they are now removing the word journalist from their patron after this whole debacle now is also telling.
GN lost all credibility with this. and it will be hard to win it back after doubling down on it too.
ValiantInstance
Member
GN's content can be a little dull at times, but I still prefer it because he has very good timestamps. You can watch 15 minutes of an hour long review and the in depth stuff like sound and thermal tests is there for those who want it.
I love the factory tours. The Cooler Master one was great when they showed the assembly of those AMD Prism fans, as I had one in my setup at the time (and still do).
ValiantInstance
Member
Why? What would this have achieved or changed given the absolute shitfit Linus had after it came out? Remember 'we didn't sell it, we auctioned it'?
kevboard
Member
they called their investigations "journalistic"
not reaching out for comment is shitting in the face of proper journalism. hence them now removing the word from their patreon.
they damaged their reputation here. especially after trying to blow a simple mislabeling by LTT of one of thousands of items in their storage out of proportion, as if they are pure evil for making an inventory management error.
ValiantInstance
Member
The only responsibility they have is to present the information accurately with reciepts. If GN asked Linus for comment about Billet Labs, LTT would've had a video out later that day 'owning the mistake' and pledging to do better.
Making mistakes because of untempered growth does not absolve them of responsibility.
newtypepilot
Member
When LTT forums got hacked, guess who was the one who called Linus in the middle of night to tell him? Steve.
So yeah, Steve really has the target on Linus. /s
Linus can make all the shitty excuses he wants, like he has always have, but one thing is clear. LTT had known for awhile that honey is a scam and is cheating both the viewers AND content creators. And what did he do? Told neither his viewers nor other youtubers privately about it. Just quietly switch to a different affiliate partner. Why did he do that? Because he doesn't want to risk losing potential sponsors by making one look bad. LTT's entire business model is to churn out as many spam videos on as many channels as possible so they can sell it as ad space. The actual content or information accuracy of their videos has become irrelevant. If he could get a company to buy a sponsorship on a video of just a black screen, he would release it.
So yeah, Steve really has the target on Linus. /s
Linus can make all the shitty excuses he wants, like he has always have, but one thing is clear. LTT had known for awhile that honey is a scam and is cheating both the viewers AND content creators. And what did he do? Told neither his viewers nor other youtubers privately about it. Just quietly switch to a different affiliate partner. Why did he do that? Because he doesn't want to risk losing potential sponsors by making one look bad. LTT's entire business model is to churn out as many spam videos on as many channels as possible so they can sell it as ad space. The actual content or information accuracy of their videos has become irrelevant. If he could get a company to buy a sponsorship on a video of just a black screen, he would release it.
ReyBrujo
Member
Nice to see GN splitting into the hardware review channel and a new one to bash Linus. Linus' response about Honey felt so odd, they knew Honey was messing up with their affiliate links and probably with other youtubers as well but preferred to stay put. I wonder if they mentioned that to Honey and got something back in order to stay silent.
When his YT channel got hacked, yeah. But Linus was asleep and didn't get the message.
When his YT channel got hacked, yeah. But Linus was asleep and didn't get the message.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
GN brought the receipts again to show up Linus as a dishonest asshole.
And people are fucking crazy saying GN doesn’t produce quality content. They have one of best in depth analysis channels on YouTube.
And Steve is also been going after all the bullshit pre-built sellers do. And of course also showing good example for pre-built as well.
And people are fucking crazy saying GN doesn’t produce quality content. They have one of best in depth analysis channels on YouTube.
And Steve is also been going after all the bullshit pre-built sellers do. And of course also showing good example for pre-built as well.
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Bradamante3D
Member
You must have reading comprehension problems if you think this is "misconstrued, ill informed and partly completely facricated".
rm082e
Member
GN going after LTT seemed like a real left turn. I've been watching both channels for a long time, and it felt like a very naked attempt by Steve to promote his own channel by climbing over the top of a competitor. Even if he had a point about that custom water block company (it turned out there was more to that story though...), it felt gross to me and turned me off his content for a while. I've started watching some of GN's tech news videos, but I still have a bad feeling about the channel in general.
LTT used to be more informative when they first started. I found their channel back in 2011 when I was looking to get back into gaming PCs. As they grew and got a budget, they've transitioned to 90% goofy entertainment. It's not content I'm usually interested in anymore, but I don't think it's a bad thing that the channel evolved and they've made bank. I like some of the stuff with other members of their team, and I like hearing Luke on WAN show.
I'd really prefer to see GN focus their hate laser on companies that are selling tech products like pre-built companies, OEMs, and retailers. I'm much more concerned about quality checks on companies I'm going to buy tech parts from.
LTT used to be more informative when they first started. I found their channel back in 2011 when I was looking to get back into gaming PCs. As they grew and got a budget, they've transitioned to 90% goofy entertainment. It's not content I'm usually interested in anymore, but I don't think it's a bad thing that the channel evolved and they've made bank. I like some of the stuff with other members of their team, and I like hearing Luke on WAN show.
I'd really prefer to see GN focus their hate laser on companies that are selling tech products like pre-built companies, OEMs, and retailers. I'm much more concerned about quality checks on companies I'm going to buy tech parts from.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
Nobody wins in this scenario.
I think all content creators should just focus on creating good, reliable content, over badmouthing or trying to pick apart competitors.
I’ve stopped watching both as a result of all this.
I think all content creators should just focus on creating good, reliable content, over badmouthing or trying to pick apart competitors.
I’ve stopped watching both as a result of all this.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
Considering that Linus was proven to be a slimy ass again and GN brought all the receipts, WTF are you taking about?
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
Why are you people fighting other peoples battles?
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
This latest spat feels a bit petty, but I get it. I haven’t watched Linus in a while because I don’t particularly like the content. The slimy stuff is disappointing, but whatever. I’ll live.
GN puts out good stuff that can be a bit dry at times, but I appreciate the commitment. Personally, I like jayz2cents more than either these days.
At the end of the day, though, there’s a limit to how much I’m gonna care about any of this shit or any perceived ethical lapses. Youtubers like this are creating disposable content that’s a means to an end. And that end is me buying new computer junk.
GN puts out good stuff that can be a bit dry at times, but I appreciate the commitment. Personally, I like jayz2cents more than either these days.
At the end of the day, though, there’s a limit to how much I’m gonna care about any of this shit or any perceived ethical lapses. Youtubers like this are creating disposable content that’s a means to an end. And that end is me buying new computer junk.
lmimmfn
Member
LTT is such a crap channel, it's OK if you dont take it seriously but their weekly podcast turned into such an ad fest that I stopped watching years ago.
I'm on Steve from GN side, he has loads of credibility hardware wise and amongst other YT channels like Hardware Unboxed, LTT has 0 credibility.
I'm on Steve from GN side, he has loads of credibility hardware wise and amongst other YT channels like Hardware Unboxed, LTT has 0 credibility.
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iQuasarLV
Member
That is the east coast persona coming out. They speak like assholes out of caring not maliciousness. He cares that Steve just rolled over when Linus shot back gaslighting him.
Topher
Identifies as young
More specifically, New York City persona, but yeah I get your point.
Windom Earle
Member
I can't believe normies still eat this shit up.
iQuasarLV
Member
I still have to iterate the thankfulness I have for the ignore button.
Some people in this thread clearly tying their identity to entities that do not know of said people's existence let alone give the time of day. It just ruins any productive discourse that can happen.
Honestly its like a Huskie-howling at anything perceived as remotely political. Oh my sweet summer child, kindly STFU!
Some people in this thread clearly tying their identity to entities that do not know of said people's existence let alone give the time of day. It just ruins any productive discourse that can happen.
Honestly its like a Huskie-howling at anything perceived as remotely political. Oh my sweet summer child, kindly STFU!
The standard of journalism is to consult the target of the story.
iQuasarLV
Member
You sure you want to stick with that line?
Common elements
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The primary themes common to most codes of journalistic standards and ethics are the following.
Accuracy and standards for factual reporting
- Reporters are expected to be as accurate as possible given the time allotted for story preparation and the space available, and to seek reliable sources. Properly using their sources and using accurate quoting and use of words from interview or conversation.[20]
- Events with a single eyewitness are reported with attribution. Events with two or more independent eyewitnesses may be reported as fact. Controversial facts are reported with attribution.
- Independent fact-checking by another employee of the publisher is desirable. In 2018 "The Acton Plan" was created to help check information more effectively to hopefully get rid of false information.[21]
- Corrections are published when errors are discovered. These corrections are called corrigendum in newspapers, they feature after on the next issue published.
- Defendants at trial are treated only as having "allegedly" committed crimes, until conviction, when their crimes are generally reported as fact (unless, that is, there is serious controversy about wrongful conviction). In most publications, when defendants are convicted or pleaded guilty they will replace "allegedly" with "convicted of", "pleaded guilty to", or "found guilty of" in their reporting to avoid the small chance of a defamation issue in the event of a wrongful conviction.
- Opinion surveys and statistical information deserve special treatment to communicate in precise terms any conclusions, to contextualize the results, and to specify accuracy, including estimated error and methodological criticism or flaws. Through this information can be properly analyzed and used without heavy bias.
- Journalism today is built off true, accurate and objective information.[22] To remove those aspects would be damaging to the very core of not just journalism but also the very way information is spread and given to viewers and others all around the world. The audience will see the lack of ethics and standards, making others question whether information is good and reliable information.
- Quality journalism that scrutinizes and criticizes social, political and economic authority is in a constant state of vulnerability to manipulation and censorship, particularly from those with money and power.[23]
Slander and libel considerations
See also: Defamation
- Reporting the truth is almost never libel,[24] which makes accuracy very important.
- Private persons have privacy rights that must be balanced against the public interest in reporting information about them. Public figures have fewer privacy rights in U.S. law, where reporters are immune from a civil case if they have reported without malice. In Canada, there is no such immunity; reports on public figures must be backed by facts.
- Publishers have traditionally vigorously defend libel lawsuits filed against them. Truth is always a defense in libel. Courts in the U.S. generally do not rule in favor of the party claiming libel unless they can show that the journalist "published untrue information that hurt the reputation of an identifiable person," and that the journalist was "either negligent or reckless in failing to check the information."[25]
Harm limitation principle
During the normal course of an assignment a reporter might go about gathering facts and details, conducting interviews, doing research and background checks, taking photos, and recording video and sound in search of justice. Harm limitation deals with the questions of whether everything learned should be reported and, if so, how. This principle of limitation means that some weight needs to be given to the negative consequences of full disclosure, creating a practical and ethical dilemma. The Society of Professional Journalists' code of ethics offers the following advice, which is representative of the practical ideas of most professional journalists. Quoting directly:[4]
As GN is intrinsically involved with the inside goings on of the YouTube / Influencer / Tech 'Journalism' world he was never obligated to contact LTT before publishing.
This is 2 years of Newspaper reporting, and 3 years of college BS-Jounalism Studies talking here. I doubt anyone saying otherwise in this forum who jumps to these conclusions has even a whiff of exposure to the Jounalistic medium.
Also, it's not like the journalism medium has been the pillar of truth since social media burst onto the scene in 2009-2010 era. Pfft. 26k of college debt to learn that hard truth.
Topher
Identifies as young
ValiantInstance
Member
It wasn't left turn, one of Linus' employees made a fake claim on video about how superior their testing was to GN and Hardware Unboxed. Both parties hit back in their own way.
If I had to guess, the inaccuracies in LTT's videos were already apparent to Steve and were intended to be the main focus of their response. Then the other stuff like Billet Labs presented itself after doing some research.
Kronark
Member
Linus literally made his public statement about Honey on the WAN show the prior week. Steve covered that public statement in the Honey video.
WHAT DID STEVE NEED TO CONTACT HIM FOR? A SECOND DIFFERENT REPLY?
You typically contact for reply in a case where party A made claims about party B, to get party B's side of the story before publishing party A's claim. You absolutely don't need to contact party B about what party B already said / claimed publicly...
You people harp on about Steve being a fake journalist while knowing fuck all about journalism. The LTT defenders are actually fucking crazy at this point.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Linus is a gaslighting narcissistic cunt.
Louis Rossman said all that needs to be said honestly. He actually criticises Steve for being too nice.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Useful info from Jay2centz lmao?
So they can make up excuses and attempt to distort the story before it gets out?
Steve probably should have contacted NZXT and tell them he was doing that piece on their rent-a-PC scam business.
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peish
Member
Louis is just another lazyass youtuber sucking up to steve and borrowing his content and afraid of offending steve..
Many of US tech youtubers cant seem bother to do their own in depth research and is afraid of being called out
STARSBarry
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I think I'll enjoy the content. Steve and his friends can gang up on people
Let's not give tech Jesus a complete pass because you like his channel more.
I think they're both in the wrong but one is handling it better now and it's not petty Steve and Louis
I watch all the videos. This is stupid internet nerd drama at it's worse.
I'm not in the payroll for any of these channels. GN needs to stay in it's lane and let Rossman make his hit pieces for friends like Steve which clearly present no conflict of Interest.........
Let's not give tech Jesus a complete pass because you like his channel more.
I think they're both in the wrong but one is handling it better now and it's not petty Steve and Louis
I watch all the videos. This is stupid internet nerd drama at it's worse.
I'm not in the payroll for any of these channels. GN needs to stay in it's lane and let Rossman make his hit pieces for friends like Steve which clearly present no conflict of Interest.........
Thebonehead
Gold Member
Tams
Member
You sound very jealous, to be quite honest.
Isn't it Alphabet/Google/YouTube you should be annoyed with?
Tams
Member
Their attitudes, especially Steve's, lowers the quality of their journalism though.
Even if there is no bias, it gives the impression of it.
Here in the UK we have ITV News, which used to have very professional newsreaders (one a household name). Now, while they do still do good journalism, there are some very opinionated pricks who wear their opinions on their sleeves.
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MarV0
Gold Member
Steve is an autist prick that got called out and had to remove his journalist credentials and is now involving his lawyer.
The funny thing is that Linus has to power to silence this insolent brat but he is too kind to do so.
ValiantInstance
Member
Jealous of what? I'm not a Youtuber and have no interest in being one.
I used to like him in the early days. I don't like the slop LTT produce now, or how corporate and fake he has become.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
Ah yes, one of the few YouTubers with some actual integrity is an autistic prick because he called out a selfish narcissist ass with full receipts?
Wow, some takes here.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
For the record, I subscribe and watch all the channels and will continue to do so. Not a fan of the drama though.