Captain Toad
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I don’t think their games ever sold very well.
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GamesRadar: Sorry Redfall, I'm not going back to 30FPS console games
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Fess
Member
DF said most of the sluggliness there come from the animation system, it’s faster on PC but definitely not a night and day difference, the game is always prioritizing animation smoothness no matter the framerate, it’s still hilariously sluggish on PC too.
No idea what higher framerates than 60 would do though. What framerates were you getting?
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akaFullmetal
Member
What was the point of Microsoft buying Bethesda if all their games will be launching at 30 fps? I figured the extra money from Microsoft would allow time and optimizations so we wouldn't run into these issues.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
DF said most of the sluggliness there come from the animation system, it’s faster on PC but definitely not a night and day difference, the game is always prioritizing animation smoothness no matter the framerate, it’s still hilariously sluggish on PC too.
No idea what higher framerates than 60 would do though. What framerates were you getting?
I’ll have to reinstall it with my current card. I was pushing past 60fps with my 3070ti, and I could feel a difference.
Keep in mind I said PS4/PS4 Pro which was probably worse than the Xbox One X result.
But this extends to any action/adventure game. God of War 2008 and Days Gone feel so much better on my PC, as I’m sure it does for PS5 users with an update.
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Lesser games? Redfall’s been in development/conception since 2018 or so, and is Arkane’s biggest title yet.
Redfall can be played multiplayer, but it’s not multiplayer focused. I’m sure they’re tired of clarifying this at this point.
But every Bethesda game post acquisition has landed at 60fps.
drganon
Member
Doubt Redfall is going to change that track record.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
All their games launch at 30 ? the games that have launched since the acquisition: Deathloop, Ghostwire, Hi-Fi Rush. All of them have 60 (or 120) FPS modes. Redfall has not launched yet but we already know it will have a 60 FPS mode in a post-launch update, it's not 100% a 30 FPS game like Gotham Knights will remain.
I love the smell of hyperbole in the morning.
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SportsFan581
Member
It's a really weird argument in the first place, because more money invested might lead to innovations that weren't possible last gen (crazy physics, AI, battle scale, etc.) that could cause games to lean the other way. With this logic Sony should just build all of their games for 120hz, look at the money they are spending on those things. Or go back and make PS2 games and see if you can hit 240.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
Redfall and Starfield are by far the most important projects coming out of Bethesda
hyperbertha
Member
Series s is the reason most likely.
akaFullmetal
Member
I apologize I misspoke, I meant upcoming games, red fall and starfield.
OuterLimits
Member
Last I checked, the Switch is a portable system that is about 6 years old. Heck, 6 years ago, many big games on consoles more powerful than Switch were only 30fps.
If Zelda was releasing on PS5 or Xbox at only 30fps, I'm sure it would be getting the same criticism. People trying to compare games releasing on new hardware to Zelda is kind of hilarious
Lysandros
Member
Exactly my point. I know about the earlier retracted marketing. Hence "isn't" as in "not currently".
SportsFan581
Member
I think the reason people bring that up isn't so much about the game itself, but just calling out the grandstanding over the framerate. By next fall or so this might be one of the most hilarious points of conversation in gaming history.
We'll see what Gamesradar thinks down the road.
FrankWza
Member
People bought series x at launch though. Even with the change, should be at 60 if the s is at 30. It's currently labeled most powerful xbox ever...
OuterLimits
Member
I think the reason people bring that up isn't so much about the game itself, but just calling out the grandstanding over the framerate. By next fall or so this might be one of the most hilarious points of conversation in gaming history.
We'll see what Gamesradar thinks down the road.
I don't disagree overall. However, expectations have always been different for portable systems than home consoles. Granted, most were totally fine with 30fps on home consoles until just recently.
If people truly want the current consoles to be "pushed to their limit" they may have to start accepting 30fps again. Or buy pro consoles if they indeed get released down the road.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Is there a more powerful Xbox that we don't know about Frank? Gotham Knights is at 30fps on all platforms and that wasn't the XSS fault when games like Dying Light 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy had higher frames on the higher end consoles which is the way things have been since video gaming was a hobby. No one can point to a game that's doing the same things as Redfall at 60fps on console anywhere else.
Lysandros
Member
Yes, of course. I just wanted to remind about the change made ~2.5 years ago, not making any excuse for the launch state of Redfall.
FrankWza
Member
No there's a more powerful Xbox than series s. It's a series x. It says so in their marketing. But they're both going to be 30fps versions of Redfall.
FrankWza
Member
Oh I remember. They might have to change their current marketing of most powerful xbox if this continues getting this kind of press and social media attention. If they haven't already...
asdasdasdbb
Member
I'm of the opinion that it's likely a CPU bottleneck actually. Fixing bugs is just a higher priority at this point than doing the work to ensure it's a stable 60 fps.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
What's silly here is the defense of "60fps patch is coming". Nobody knows when and even if it ever hits. Not even Arkane, lol.
This is an always online game. If numbers aren't there, it might get shut down in a year for all we know. There are plenty of these examples. Good luck with that patch then.
Games should be evaluated as they are at release. If it's fixed in 6 months or a year, re-evaluate it.
Or if it's f-d up more like Ghostwire that just got Denuvo a year post release, also re-eval it. But the main point is customers should not be buying title with issues on a hypothetical promise of fixes.
This is an always online game. If numbers aren't there, it might get shut down in a year for all we know. There are plenty of these examples. Good luck with that patch then.
Games should be evaluated as they are at release. If it's fixed in 6 months or a year, re-evaluate it.
Or if it's f-d up more like Ghostwire that just got Denuvo a year post release, also re-eval it. But the main point is customers should not be buying title with issues on a hypothetical promise of fixes.
Bernardougf
Member
The ABK buyout took all the shills out of the closet ... run wild little shills be free
Patrick S.
Banned
Yeah, "a patch is coming" means jack shit to me after living through the Cyberpunk 2077 launch. Some patches came here and there, but the first "meaningful" patch took more than a year to materialize.
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AltogetherAndrews
Banned
It doesn’t help that the game looks like a turd either.
SportsFan581
Member
Why would a single player game with a coop mode get shut down in a year because of player counts?
I think you've confused it with a BR game that needs hundreds/thousands of players to fill lobbies in order to keep the matches going. This is a game that you play by yourself or with a few of your friends.
aries_71
Junior Member
Nah, that’s tilting at windmills. If Series S didn’t exist, developers of any GDK/direct X game would still aim to a minimum PC specs that is probably lower than Series S.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Because it's an online only game. So you have to pay for the servers, security, updates and more. It's not just fire and forget now days.Why would a single player game with a coop mode get shut down in a year because of player counts?
I think you've confused it with a BR game that needs hundreds/thousands of players to fill lobbies in order to keep the matches going. This is a game that you play by yourself or with a few of your friends.
Due to that, if user counts fall, it can get shut down in same manner as other always online games. Which is why always online sucks.
vaibhavpisal
Member
It's not online only. They have removed that requirement.
SportsFan581
Member
In a world where MS can't afford to keep servers online that are primarily doing check-ins and stat tracking, I guess you'd have a point. Maybe they could open a donations website to keep it going.
In reality though, I don't think MS will cut bait on first-party games in a year due to server costs. Last I checked Bleeding Edge was still online and fully playable 3yrs later.
AmuroChan
Member
Zelda is also not a shooter. If there's one genre where the framerate is vitally important, it's shooters.
BrutalTruth_
Banned
All you do is complain about shills, while shilling for your own plastic box.
You need to chill, every post is the same mess.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
The issue is why bother with his mediocre looking and playing title at all? I guess it's fine for folks with GamePass to take a look and likely immediately delete, but for everyone else, it's going to tank in sales.In a world where MS can't afford to keep servers online that are primarily doing check-ins and stat tracking, I guess you'd have a point. Maybe they could open a donations website to keep it going.
In reality though, I don't think MS will cut bait on first-party games in a year due to server costs. Last I checked Bleeding Edge was still online and fully playable 3yrs later.
So why would a customer trust Bethesda, Arcane or MS here? "Show me the receipts" so to speak.
No, they said they would look at possibility unless there have been a very recent change.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Thing is with MS why not have them work on what they do best which are single player great games?
SportsFan581
Member
I don't know. Could be that
StereoVsn
isn't the end all opinion on what makes a fun game in their eyes. There are a lot of really popular games that aren't to my taste, neither in gameplay, nor in visuals. It happens.
I'll have an opinion on Redfall some time after the the 2nd of May.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It has 30, 60 and 120hz support.
El Pistolero
Banned
What a brave stance! 
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
As cringe and clickbaity as it is, these articles need to happen when mediocrity gets shoved into the hands of consumers used as beta testers for incomplete games.
You've gone forward in time and read the reviews? Played the game?
They started work on Redfall YEARS before the acquisition, and are very happy to make this game...it's their most ambitious title thus far. For Arkane, this is what they do best.
You're really on a roll today with a constant stream of misinformed chatter.
I like you.....I like you alot.
He never said he was upset it wasnt pushing the hardware. He said he couldnt play games anymore @30fps which is most likely BS.
AltogetherAndrews
Banned
You really believe this horseshit, don’t you?
StereoVsn
Gold Member
What misinformed chatter ? The game doesn't look good in previews, in released videos or most of commentary. We shall see in reviews, but expectations should be very low for this one. Developer pulled 60 fps performance mode close to release. This is an online only game.
Arkane's last title wasn't particularly great, nor did it sell well either. So what is my misinformed chatter exactly?
Point being that potentially empty promises for future fixes cannot be utilized to sell games if customers half any sort of relevant common sense left. We have seen issues many times over last couple years with broken or badly performing games on PC being released and sold on promises of future improvement.
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The Alien
Banned
While disappointed that it won't be 60fps, 4k or have Ray tracing....im gonna put on my big boy pants and play the game. Maybe play it again when it get 60fps patched in.
Let's also not pretend Redfall is the lone bastion keeping the 30fps flame alive. This entire gen has been a fucking disappointment for both Sony and XBox as far as technical achievements in console gaming.
Let's also not pretend Redfall is the lone bastion keeping the 30fps flame alive. This entire gen has been a fucking disappointment for both Sony and XBox as far as technical achievements in console gaming.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Eh, most big games have 60 fps mode now days, or at least 40 fps in case of Sony. Its rare that we don't even get 1080p option with upscaling.