GamingTech - A Very Poor LCD Display / No Real HDR Support Switch 2 HDR, Tested On Display And In Docking Mode

John Wick said:
6 hours? What a clown. Available all over in retail shops.
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You know his address? For starters he isn't in the US.

Also a few laughs at the logistics experts who seem to know the buy price of an Oled screen with touch layer in the size/resolution of the NS2. Heaps of phones must be out there with that combo..... /s.

Not excusing the choice of Nintendo, I personally think they should have put the work in for a HDR VRR Oled on the NS2, even if it had a big impact on price. The screen is arguably the most important aspect of a handheld after all. But people handwaving away the difficulty in doing it look kind of ridiculous.
 
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Panajev2001a said:
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No, some of us do not have to protect the honour of Nintendo :P. You see it as soon as you boot it… for some games that do have strong highlights and lots of contrasts and strong shadows (think even a classical RE: Rebirth) the main thing keeping people from playing it on the old OLED might be rendering resolution but then again many games do not get a resolution boost for free and would be sub 720p —> 1080p upscaled to boot.

It is better than Switch 1's screen but you are minimising the differences with the OLED screen they shipped before.
The kickstand while not as bad as Switch 1 is another downgrade as it feels a lot easier to brake or bend as you try to use it.

It makes you wonder why their marketing material almost never compares or puts the Switch 2 against Switch OLED, it is always new model vs oldest revision from 8 years ago.

Come on.:.
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He's a Nintendo Zealot.
 
The screen is...... servicable. The colors are pretty nice, but obviously it doesn't hold a candle to an Oled screen and it isn't an amazing IPS panel like on some handheld PCs, but it's good enough to where it makes me long for my Steam Deck OLED. HDR is pretty much a gimmick of you don't have deep blacks, so I never really expected much from HDR on the switch 2. Would I have loved a better screen? Absolutely. But I am still pretty impressed with the overall package you receive at 470 euro's compared to handheld PCs and the switch 1.
 
nordique said:
I honestly haven't felt this is a "poor" lcd display but some interesting points have been brought up.
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I don't think it's as bad as he makes it sound, but it certainly has issues

I have little doubt that it is being limited to 450 nits peak brightness simply to save the battery life. It's a pretty standard LCD display without local dimming or mini-LED's so it was never going to achieve very high brightness without killing the portable playtime. I'm not super worried about the peak brightness, I don't need a laser burning a hole in my retina when I look at my Switch 2 display

The bigger issue is that it has relatively poor color gamut, if Nintendo puts an HDR option for portable mode play, the display ought to be able to display a better than SDR gamut and this display clearly cannot

The color temperature of the display is extremely far away from D65 (6500K), I've seen some people measuring it around 9000K which results in a noticeably cold (blue-tinted) image compared to the Switch 1 display sitting next to my Switch 2 and my calibrated home theater TV
 
Sonik said:
Steam Deck cost 400 dollars 3.5 years ago when it was released with almost the same power as the Switch 2 has now, half a generation later
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The price is still exactly the same for the Steam Deck. Why hasn't it been reduced in those 3.5 years? The consoles released 4.5 years ago. Why have they gone up but not down in price? Why did the PS5 Pro launch for $200 more than the PS5 when the PS4 Pro released at the same launch price as the PS4?

Even when the PS6 launches, I expect it to slot in $599 or $699, with the PS5 staying at the same price.

But more to the point, no one else has been able to deliver significantly better than Steam Deck performance for the same price. If it was really so easy, why is no one else trying to steal Valve's lunch?
 
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The screen isn't good, in fact its a tad too saturated. Looks decent docked though once settings were dialed in on my LG C1. PC Input, HGIG, and 10 sharpness, purely because let's be honest, nothing is going to be full fat 4k in this, maybe some 2D indies. I find that setting sharpness to 10 uses LG's AA solution and hides some of the jaggies a bit. You can see the difference in BOTW and MKW.
 
In this episode of "switch 2 screen is not that bad" we discover the magic of patching better brightness\contrast into old games.

Nintendo difference has never been truer.
 
YeulEmeralda said:
Yep Nintendo hasn't done graphics or technology for 20 years. Why are people surprised? Go buy a fucking 5080 if you want to play Cyberpunk and switch on path tracing.
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What does a low-quality screen on the Switch 2 have to do with a high-end GPU?
 
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Typical low quality first-run Nintendo hardware for the plebian masses. People should just wait for an OLED revision. There's probably more issues that pop and need fixin'. We all remember joy con drift...

Early adopters will beta test as usual.
 
Fortress of Regrets said:
Typical low quality first-run Nintendo hardware for the plebian masses. People should just wait for an OLED revision. There's probably more issues that pop and need fixin'. We all remember joy con drift...

Early adopters will beta test as usual.
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Growing up, i had a gameboy and SNES, a GC which was gifted to me (only played Metroid Prime/RE4) and my Wii career lasted a whole 2 weeks (couldn't deal with the gfx/shitty resolutions), meaning, while I did have/buy some of their systems I never really was a fan of them.

After getting a PS Portal 1 year ago and loving the experience (sold it due to the 59.96Hz stutter) I wanted a portable system that could run games natively so...here we are, NS2 bought.

I get what you're saying though, you're absolutely not wrong, although, all new systems released have their quirks and the masses are the ones that do the beta testing ® so, unfortunately, that's nothing new.
 
I don't think the screen looks bad, but I think anyone who expected a top-tier HDR experience from an edge-lit screen was delusional.

Space, cost and power considerations mean that they had to make this choice to keep things managed on all fronts.
 
GigaBowser said:
ahaha no my freinds dont care will nort post in thread no more only reesons i did because people @ me after i winned poster of the year got switch 2 hours ago screen is one of the best part confirmed
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Please keep posting everywhere you are the poster of the century.
 
GigaBowser said:
ahaha no my freinds dont care will nort post in thread no more only reesons i did because people @ me after i winned poster of the year got switch 2 hours ago screen is one of the best part confirmed
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Take your time to post…it's hard to take you seriously with your spelling my friend
 
He knows his stuff when it comes to HDR and I agree the HDR on the switch 2 display is pointless. Turn it off, you won't notice a difference and save battery along 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
It looks pretty good to me and I'm coming from an OLED Switch. I think there will inevitably be an OLED version of this two in a few years and it will almost certainly look a good bit better, but this isn't an OG Switch or Steam Deck LCD situation at all.
 
Astray said:
I don't think the screen looks bad, but I think anyone who expected a top-tier HDR experience from an edge-lit screen was delusional.

Space, cost and power considerations mean that they had to make this choice to keep things managed on all fronts.
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Did not expect HDR better than Steam Deck OLED, but at least close to it.
 


I feel like that is going to be pretty noticeable in 2D/sprite based games, when the background moves and nothing is clear/in focus.

3DS had a bad image retention / blur issue like that too.
 
I need someone who is an expert with Earc Pass through, LG C1, and Yamaha receivers. I cannot get the 5.1 audio to work.
 
Whe are people crying over an okayish display?
We got much more than the dogsh!t displays that came with Switch 1 or even the SteamDeck 1, and I bet it is on par with the PS Portal screen
 
mhirano said:
Whe are people crying over an okayish display?
We got much more than the dogsh!t displays that came with Switch 1 or even the SteamDeck 1, and I bet it is on par with the PS Portal screen
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From what I understand:
- HDR is terrible / fake, like 1 / 10 bad.
- Motion clarity is bad.
- Colors are over saturated.
- Blacks do not compare to OLED blacks - games with a lot of darker areas don't do well compared to OLED.

Everything in the big picture is fine. But if you compare it against other devices which are better, it isn't as good. Still, if you aren't critical, it's great, but it can definitely and will definitely be better in the refresh.
 
Minsc said:


I feel like that is going to be pretty noticeable in 2D/sprite based games, when the background moves and nothing is clear/in focus.

3DS had a bad image retention / blur issue like that too.
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How is a 120hz Display this bad? Hopefully Nintendo can improve response times by updating the firmware
 
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Just to add something to the few posts comparing the price of the Steam Deck vs Deck OLED and saying it's a reason the Switch 2 would've been so much more expensive.

The OLED Deck doesn't have a model with lower storage like the LCD version. The OLED starts with 512gb on a fast NVME drive for £479 vs Switch 2 £500 with 1 game. The OLED Deck also has other improvements over the LCD model like updated faster WiFi, slightly bigger screen, HDR, bigger battery, higher refresh rate up to 90Hz, slightly improved CPU / GPU sizes, faster RAM, quieter fans and probably more.
With these improvements, games have also shown some improvements too in terms of performance.

It is not a case off the Steam Deck costing an extra £120 just for an OLED screen. Now do not get me wrong, having already got an LCD Deck, the improvements were not enough for me to justify buying an OLED. (Price + overall usage) Plus the Deck OLED was released about 18 months ago, so that plus development time, that tech should be somewhat cheaper by now too (in theory)
 
Itchy Tickles said:
Just to add something to the few posts comparing the price of the Steam Deck vs Deck OLED and saying it's a reason the Switch 2 would've been so much more expensive.

The OLED Deck doesn't have a model with lower storage like the LCD version. The OLED starts with 512gb on a fast NVME drive for £479 vs Switch 2 £500 with 1 game. The OLED Deck also has other improvements over the LCD model like updated faster WiFi, slightly bigger screen, HDR, bigger battery, higher refresh rate up to 90Hz, slightly improved CPU / GPU sizes, faster RAM, quieter fans and probably more.
With these improvements, games have also shown some improvements too in terms of performance.

It is not a case off the Steam Deck costing an extra £120 just for an OLED screen. Now do not get me wrong, having already got an LCD Deck, the improvements were not enough for me to justify buying an OLED. (Price + overall usage) Plus the Deck OLED was released about 18 months ago, so that plus development time, that tech should be somewhat cheaper by now too (in theory)
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Steam Deck OLED screen is a 800p 90hz fixed refresh rate display.
Not comparable to the Switch 2' 1080p 120hz VRR OLED display it would need...
 
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