Shaki12345
Banned
Agreed.
GamingTech - A Very Poor LCD Display / No Real HDR Support Switch 2 HDR, Tested On Display And In Docking Mode
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Topher
Identifies as young
The video is about more than just the built-in screen. How you don't care about the screen of a handheld....no idea, but ok
Kataploom
Gold Member
Cause it's gonna be docked 99% of the time. That 1% left is for when I need to do some config that requires it undocked for a second
potentially yes, slightly (more complex colour calculation in HDR) but from what I understand it's not that the Switch 2 is doing "fake HDR" internally more so that the screen is not capable at all of displaying a true HDR experience
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
The screen looks fine. Don't sperg out too much, and I'm coming from a switch OLED.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Well this sucks.....450 nits brightness?
Doesn't the PS Portal at least have close to 1000?
Doesn't the PS Portal at least have close to 1000?
Pop
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saintjules
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
I think they were saying it was related to USBC to HDMI conversion.
Bond007
Member
I mean- numbers are numbers.
But the good ol vision test in person says to me - it looks really good. So whatever. Can also buy the refresh when that comes along and enjoy some new Nintendo games today. If we always waiting around for the next refresh and not buy anything- we wouldnt own anything. Might aswell wait for Switch 3 when Switch 2 OLED releases. lol
But the good ol vision test in person says to me - it looks really good. So whatever. Can also buy the refresh when that comes along and enjoy some new Nintendo games today. If we always waiting around for the next refresh and not buy anything- we wouldnt own anything. Might aswell wait for Switch 3 when Switch 2 OLED releases. lol
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spookyfish
Member
At the end of the day, mine will be docked 90 percent of the time, easy. I'm more concerned about how it looks on the 65-inch OLED.
And, let's be honest, even with all of that I'm such a mark that I'll get the OLED refresh right away.
And, let's be honest, even with all of that I'm such a mark that I'll get the OLED refresh right away.
Shaki12345
Banned
If a better Switch comes along with a better screen, I'll just sell this one for $100 loss and buy the new one. Then you have played S2 for 100$ 3 years.
Profit.
Profit.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Should've had a Display Port then or an actual HDMI out as well.
Not very forward thinking.
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Killer8
Member
I have it in my hands now and I think the video is an over-reaction.
I'm sitting here comparing the Switch OLED with the Switch 2 side by side using identical game screenshots found on the eShop. What jumps out is how shite the color accuracy of the Switch OLED actually is. It's got a strong yellow tint to everything and you only realize how wrong it actually looks when compared to the more neutral Switch 2.
Black levels are much better on OLED for sure, LCD is never going to beat it in that regard. But it's also not terrible, not nearly as bad as the original Switch or Steam Deck LCD (one of the worst screens I have ever used).
I will keep my Switch OLED around for games like Fatal Frame which are basically in pure darkness. But seeing the colors side by side, I prefer the Switch 2 overall for most other games.
I also use a 450 nits QD-OLED monitor for PC gaming and find that level of HDR brightness perfectly adequate there even if it's not considered "real HDR". I stopped paying attention to 4K TV brightness wars when I got my LG C1 and at a supposedly paltry 800 nits thought "holy shit this is insanely bright" when played in a dark room.
I'm sitting here comparing the Switch OLED with the Switch 2 side by side using identical game screenshots found on the eShop. What jumps out is how shite the color accuracy of the Switch OLED actually is. It's got a strong yellow tint to everything and you only realize how wrong it actually looks when compared to the more neutral Switch 2.
Black levels are much better on OLED for sure, LCD is never going to beat it in that regard. But it's also not terrible, not nearly as bad as the original Switch or Steam Deck LCD (one of the worst screens I have ever used).
I will keep my Switch OLED around for games like Fatal Frame which are basically in pure darkness. But seeing the colors side by side, I prefer the Switch 2 overall for most other games.
I also use a 450 nits QD-OLED monitor for PC gaming and find that level of HDR brightness perfectly adequate there even if it's not considered "real HDR". I stopped paying attention to 4K TV brightness wars when I got my LG C1 and at a supposedly paltry 800 nits thought "holy shit this is insanely bright" when played in a dark room.
BacklashWave534
Member
The only think that makes it better is that it's 1080p. The HDR implementation is crap and they are using a budget screen. If you want to see what a good LCD looks like go check out a Legion Go. Otherwise OLED wins every time.
I have both an oled switch and switch 2. I only can say you are incorrect. Also vrr is a big deal as well. Prefer lcd with hdr and vrr a20hz over what ever exists on the other handhelds.
That said, there will be an oled screen in the line anyway which is always a benefit to have over just lcd
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
VRR is a big deal on bigger displays and most of all when you are stressing the GPU more like in docked mode when you are targeting 4K… VRR does not work.
HDR on handheld mode would be nice but if well implemented… 144 Hz can be done with OLED and HDR so a cheaper LCD screen with potential not realised is… again meh for the price of the console.
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Traxtech
Member
Looks like it has the usual IPS glow too, so poor motion resolution and ips glow to boot.
I don't meant be a negative nancy but facts are facts, it is business though as to why they wouldn't do oled out the gate, same with the steam deck. They'll release an oled model and you can bet early adopters will jump on it plus the holders. Money in the bank son
I don't meant be a negative nancy but facts are facts, it is business though as to why they wouldn't do oled out the gate, same with the steam deck. They'll release an oled model and you can bet early adopters will jump on it plus the holders. Money in the bank son
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Shit screen is shit. Most of that higher priced BOM went to nVidia, per usual with partnerships with them.Looks like it has the usual IPS glow too, so poor motion resolution and ips glow. Not ideal.
I don't meant be a negative nancy but facts are facts, it is business though as to why they wouldn't do oled out the gate, same with the steam deck. They'll release an oled model and you can bet early adopters will jump on it plus the holders. Money in the bank son
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Did anyone really expect good HDR out of an IPS panel on a $450 tablet without FALD/Mini-LED backlight? Low contrast/raised blacks on IPS is to be expected and HDR on any kind of LCD panel needs a good backlight system, which is beyond the budget of this device. Best you can expect is decent color accuracy and decent brightness. Haven't hooked up my Switch 2 yet but I'm sure the screen is fine for what it is.
Shaki12345
Banned
Do you guys actually PLAY games?
By the way, just sell S2 if S2 OLED arrives.
Problems solved.
By the way, just sell S2 if S2 OLED arrives.
Problems solved.
Platinumstorm
Member
If you set your TV settings carefully you can get pretty decent quality. The amount of fog is disappointing, and I did expect botw to have better visuals.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
Don't buy the Switch 2 until an OLED screen arrives.
Problem solved and much smarter too.
Shaki12345
Banned
How is that smarter if you can live with how it is right now? I want to play MKW now. I want to play Metroid (docked) this year.
I almost never play portable, and when I do I can live with how it is.
I want VRR for docked. Will buy a new Switch if that's going to be there.
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Musashipan
Member
A fkcing nobody youtuber looking for attention
hououinkyouma00
Member
I think that the screen looks good overall but the low brightness is noticeable.
Loading up a save of BOTW in the Goron city with the lava and shit looks great though.
Loading up a save of BOTW in the Goron city with the lava and shit looks great though.
Yeah there isn't much room for the middle. You either have to shill to appease fanboys of whatever platform you are covering or the opposite.
450 nits can give adequate HDR if screen has local light control (and the darker the ambient you play in, the better those Nits will look). The problem is that when using a standard LCD with full screen LED - lack of contrast kills the highlights - so you just get full screen brightness instead of the 'HDR effect'.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Just fanboys getting pissy because someone put a slight damper on the hype. Same shit happens with every console launch. And it's always personal attacks against the author because the fanboys cant refute any of the data or technical details of the argument.
DeVeAn
Member
What kind of bullshit is this? Lets accept sub standard tech because it will sell millions? Truth=hate? This place ain't the casual crowd. Nobody cares...yeah ok.Nothingburger. I play docked only and HDR sounds the same as PS5. Switch 1 og screen is probably worse than this. Nobody cares.
Haters gonna hate. Honestly, youtubers need clicks, but all this was known by me years and years ago, so I find it kind of disingenuous to pretend is it some new revelation that might change my mind. Nintendo hasn't changed, you are just trying to hurt them when they are vulnerable and you will fail. You don't control the zeitgeist on this and the idea you would have any affect on Switch 2 sales is pure delusion.
Switch 2 will be the fastest selling console of all time and sell > 100m. You'll buy this and the OLED in a few years and no Nintendo will not give you one for free or early to review. Deal with it.
Now if you own Nintendo stock, I get it you are invested.
OverHeat
« generous god »
WTF are you talking about that guy HDR analysis of games is top tier GTFO with your accusations
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Beautiful to see this and nothing of the sort was coming from the influencers that went to Nintendo's hands-on events as if they could not notice or if it was impossible to do so. Black levels in the picture there are at the same exact level as Switch 1 :/.Looks like it has the usual IPS glow too, so poor motion resolution and ips glow to boot.
I don't meant be a negative nancy but facts are facts, it is business though as to why they wouldn't do oled out the gate, same with the steam deck. They'll release an oled model and you can bet early adopters will jump on it plus the holders. Money in the bank son
Radical_3d
Member
Everyone says "wait for the OLED" but OLED is so 2023. The present is kick ass mini LEDs and the near future RGB LED. I don't really care aside form the poor tone mapping in Zelda, because I'll be using this docked as fuck to my S95C.
Bojji
Member
Yeah it washes out picture even more, it's probably better to play in SDR.
OLED screen even with the same 450 nits limit would look MUCH better.
Your S95C has better panel than those mini leds (or even rgb mini leds) you mentioned...
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Currently the only "competition" in a handheld form factor at a similar price is the regular Steam Deck. The Steam Deck OLED is $100 more expensive.
It makes a lot more sense to criticise Nintendo for the cost of the ecosystem than it does to criticise them for the cost of the base hardware.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Good point, OLED is indeed old news but not old enough for Nintendo yet.
Moses85
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seething left
Member
Nintendo fanboy's copium levels are at max. The screen is garbage, how can you even look at that and with a straight face say iT looKs fInE t0 mE. Because it looks nowhere near fine, it's terrible. Going from OLED to this is like living in a luxury villa with a pool and then move out to live a small leaky tent near a garbage incineration plant.
The screen is a letdown and it's good to have data about it but honestly if I were in the market for a switch 2 it wouldn't be for the screen quality. It seems good enough. it wouldn't sway my opinion on getting one especially not knowing if an OLED is even coming (or when). Life's too short to worry about nits.
Yeah I dunno, I don't doubt the technical end of what he's saying but I've been playing a lot today, and it looks great to me. Not quite as good as my SD OLED obviously, but never once have I thought "damn this screen sucks".
Maybe that's just where we're at now though. I feel the same when I see DF stuff. Like yeah, I'm sure if I paused this game and zoomed in I'd see what they're seeing, but shit looks great when I'm playing.
Maybe that's just where we're at now though. I feel the same when I see DF stuff. Like yeah, I'm sure if I paused this game and zoomed in I'd see what they're seeing, but shit looks great when I'm playing.
Killer8
Member
I don't think it's possible to accurately capture screen differences in an off-screen photo. For a start that photo isn't taken head on and LCD is known to appear different from an angle.
I tried taking a photo showing 1) the yellow cast of the OLED and 2) the brightness advantage of the Switch 2.
Neither showed up in the photo and they ended up looking similar...
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kevboard
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Ulysses 31
Gold Member
VRR is there to combat judder from uneven fps, not increase motion clarity.