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Ghostbusters Review Thread [Certified Fresh - 75%]
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Laffs?its reviews like this that keep giving fuel to the GG trolls and it will probably make others start preaching about conspiracy
I do hate how every action film has to end with the female villain getting shot in the pussy.
MoonsaultSlayer
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People say this, but I can't think of any film with a male lead surrounded by dumb female villains and supportive roles who wins by blowing up the baddy's weakspot in the vagina.
I have no issues with what GB is doing, but I find these statements odd lol.
QuantumZebra
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A lot of neckbeards were hoping this turned out worse than Fantastic Four...
What we got was a movie with a RT score over 7x what FF got.
It's beautiful.
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Also - what's the deal with the RT ratings? I thought over 80 reviews at 75%+ and it was certified? It's about to top 100 reviews at 77%... are they in shock over there or something?
Could be just for laughs and probably know's what he is getting himself into, but still, dont feed the trolls
I don't get it either. It is pretty odd but certain posters keep like to say it is the truth.
the role barely allows for that function, he has like 3 lines
Count Dookkake
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It's kinda like how people pretend that black characters die first in a majority of horror films. It gets repeated enough and then confirmation bias sets in.
That does happen a lot though.
TomJoadsGhost
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I dunno, they were great lines.
BluenoseGames
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Just came back from watching it and I honestly had a fun time watching it. I enjoyed all the new characters but Holtzmann was by far the best of the bunch.
cr0w
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You know, I never really noticed until it was pointed out to me how small his role in the movie is. I guess it's because what he did have, he knocked out of the park.
"Laffs" is pretentious movie critic bullshit. It's their way of distinguishing "simple" humour from "serious" humour.
Yeah, it's the definition of a throwaway role.
MoonsaultSlayer
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More than that but they are perfect in executing and establishing his role for the audience.
Crazy speak.
But except for the revelations scene, he doesn't really react. Dude buys it straight away.
http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2013/10/black-characters-horror-movies/
This is hardly comprehensive, but I'm still thinking of horror movies that do this and I'm drawing a blank. Scream 2 is really it but that was in itself a metacontextual moment.
The horror genre has its various sins, but this is definitely overblown and not reflective.
Didn't realise it was a thing until Scream 2.
Ernie Hudson said that there was more to Winston's character that Reitman, Aykroyd, and Ramis cut for the sake of expanding Venkman. He said he was grateful for the experience but disheartened that the character was scaled down. Hudson did a great job with the material given and what little screentime he was allotted in the final cut.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Women being relegated to the love-interest, while the men have all the fun, is a better critique.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlackDudeDiesFirst
A number of horror movies are listed in the live action segment.
Yeah sorry that's just not a compelling case, especially set against my provided link. Horror films definitely have their fair share of tropes and certainly don't afford enough minority characters the opportunity to be central(which is the real problem the callout of this trope is trying to address). But this particular criticism, just doesn't hold water.
Your example is just as valid as mine. It does happen. Now if you want to consider the percentage of horror movies or whatever and look at it from a larger statistics point of view, that's a different case. However black people do die first in a good number of horror movies.
Gunstarheroes
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https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghostbusters_2016/
So uh, are they waiting for it to bounce below 75% or something, shouldn't it be certified at this point?
So uh, are they waiting for it to bounce below 75% or something, shouldn't it be certified at this point?
The role was also originally meant for Eddie Murphy, who did Beverly Hills Cop instead. So they just replaced him with another black guy, who ended up not having anything to do in the movie. I've said it before, but Ghostbusters isn't a movie about 4 guys hunting ghosts - it's a movie about 3 guys hunting ghosts. Hudson's account of that period is very sad, as his role in the script kept diminishing and diminishing until he was hardly there, and he wasn't even on the original poster, and he was often completely ignored in other promotions as well. His role was meant to be much bigger, and the fact that he was the only black guy on the team makes it very uncomfortable.
People who are now claiming that his role was important because he was the straight man/regular joe are missing the point - he was hardly in the movie (and not much of a character because of it) because he wasn't a famous white comedian, and because he wasn't Eddie Murphy either. Both Hudson and Aykroyd have talked about this numerous times and admitted that it was a huge mistake. People shouldn't forget that leading black parts were impossible to get in those days (even moreso than now) unless you were one of the chosen few, like Murphy. Ignoring that is ignoring an important - if uncomfortable - part of hollywood history. In comparison Leslie Jones is way better off in the new movie - she gets to be just as much of an oddball and just as crazy as the other comedians, and is actually just as much a part of the team as the rest. She was my and my girlfriends favorite Ghostbuster in the movie, after McKinnon (who steals the show the entire time).
On board with most of your statement except for that.
I firmly believe if we completely derail and examine both lists, mine would be a much more compelling case. But such as it is, I'll leave it be and not drag this out. Is it in a "good number of horror movies"? Sure, but to the point being a demonstrable trope? Certainly not. And I do believe knowledgeable horror fans would agree.
excelsiorlef
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Totally.
Actually upon re-watching the original you can tell it was originally supposed to start with the team formed. Jeanne appears out nowhere, same with Winston. Chronological pacing is wack in it. Not a huge deal but true none the less
excelsiorlef
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its reviews like this that keep giving fuel to the GG trolls and it will probably make others start preaching about conspiracy
Why because they acknowledge an existence of a thing?
Your list has the qualifier about main black characters which I find to be unnecessarily restrictive but yes this would end in a derail so let's move on.
Im just saying, the people crying that the "fix is in" with reviews will point this out and just continue their circle jerk.
Id rather not give more fuel to GG
Oh, I should have known. I feel worse for knowing that this is a thing, but thanks for clarifying.
excelsiorlef
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They dont need fuel. They are tragically self sustained
brandonh83
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It's incredibly unnecessary.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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I want to watch this solely because of Kate McKinnon. This is something I never thought I'd say ever.
Salty Rice
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As a kid, it always bugged me that Winston wasn't part of the courtroom scene in Ghostbusters 2. Granted, Winston never would have agreed to digging a big hole in the middle of the street in the first place, but I always hated that we hardly ever got to see Winston take part in anything but the climactic events in the movie. I wanted to see Winston bust ghosts, dammit! At least in GB2, they gave him a lot more to do compared to GB1. The train sequence and river of slime stuff scared me as a kid.
Ghostbusters always centered on the three scientists, which was a shame, because even as a kid, Winston was my favorite Ghostbuster, and I loved them all. I think a part of why I enjoyed The Real Ghostbusters so much is because of it being a series, Winston was able to do a lot more across the episodes.
Ghostbusters always centered on the three scientists, which was a shame, because even as a kid, Winston was my favorite Ghostbuster, and I loved them all. I think a part of why I enjoyed The Real Ghostbusters so much is because of it being a series, Winston was able to do a lot more across the episodes.
shadow_shogun
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Lol, the like/dislike bar for the youtube reviews are spoiling the rating of the movie.
brandonh83
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Winston has the best lines in the original.
I have seen shit that'll turn you white is the best line and delivery. I also met Ernie Hudson and he was a pleasant dude so bonus points.
I have seen shit that'll turn you white is the best line and delivery. I also met Ernie Hudson and he was a pleasant dude so bonus points.
QuantumZebra
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For real lmao, I can tell immediately if its a positive/negative review
So GB is well over 100 reviews and sitting at 75% and still not certified fresh... I mean it sounds silly, but are they purposefully not giving it the award? What's the deal?
Count Dookkake
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Not really.
Inferno313
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I've yet to come across a critic on Youtube who can talk about films the way that print critics like A.O. Scott and Michael Philips, online critics like Devin Faraci and Jen Yamato, or even podcast critics like the guys on Filmspotting can.
Awesome!! It would be great to meet any of the cast.
Winston is the fucking best. As a kid, he was my favorite.
brandonh83
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In order of cool:
Winston ≥ Egon > Venkman > Ray
Ray being last also doesn't make him not cool.
Winston ≥ Egon > Venkman > Ray
Ray being last also doesn't make him not cool.
I've yet to come across a critic on Youtube who can talk about films the way that print critics like A.O. Scott and Michael Philips, online critics like Devin Faraci and Jen Yamato, or even podcast critics like the guys on Filmspotting can.
Also A.O. Scott doesn't post photos of himself with his mouth open for every review.
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