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[Loudninja]

The dialogue system not having much of an impact aside from adding lore is the biggest thing for me so far.

In addition, Aloy will meet various colorful characters on her journey through side quests and the main story. Remember, Aloy is searching for answers and a place to belong. We were told depending on the relationships and choices she makes, some characters appear again later in the story. We're guessing with all the people she meets in the different tribes on her trek, she's bound to foster some relationships.

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[Whompa02]

All of my FEARS! Man the headlines

 

[Memento]

Wasn't this confirmed a while back?

Really? :0

 

[Baroquemantic]

That all sounds great. Maaan, hope one of the mounts is a flying machine. The GIFs and videos of that are going to be amazing, if so.

 

[RoboPlato]

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Yeah, I saw that but I expect it to be more limited than something like a Bioware or CDPR game based on their other comments.

It's only a minor thing to me too. I get the approach they're going for.

 

[bombshell]

This is some of the stuff mention

https://twitter.com/dejongemathijs/status/744610825013497856

I found the fox image.

 

[Raptor]

Which does not seem to be a problem here from what I read.

But did they address forest density? That would be the true fear.

Demo purposes.

Well, good thing core gameplay doesn't seem to be an issue here.

It all points to have an awesome gameplay from what I have seen indeed.

 

[Angel_DvA]

What about the protagonist's incessent chatter?

I love that.

@All

I think Horizon will be the Next Big IP for Sony and probably the best surprise of this generation, I really hope it will because it feel really fresh in this time of infinite sequels...

 

[Ricky_R]

I don't think any other game has had such on point marketing. Guerrilla says all the right stuff in every interview.

Indeed. Hopefully that translates well into consumer demand.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

What about the protagonist's incessent chatter?

Watch demos outside of conferences and it's not there. It's completely impractical to include that in the entire game, so it's obviously just staged for the big trade show demos.

 

[Loudninja]

Yeah, I saw that but I expect it to be more limited than something like a Bioware or CDPR game based on their other comments.

It's only a minor thing to me too. I get the approach they're going for.

Ah ok.

 

[TimeEffect]

Please have a great story and have it represented in the world. Mystery is key too

 

[labaronx]

Indeed. Hopefully that translates well into consumer demand.

Sony should start the marketing push this holiday and really promote it late jan until release

 

[Abstruse Moose]

Game looks great. They'd have to screw things up pretty badly for me to not buy it. It would be great if sometime down the line they could implement an 'advanced RPG' mode.

 

[silver.tongue]

My biggest fear is story and lore. Nail that guerrilla pls.

 

[Baroquemantic]

I honestly really like her chatter in the stage demos. It wouldn't have bothered me if it was there throughout most of the game.

That said, the fact that she was saying stuff in menus and whatnot about doing something the player hadn't even don't yet should've made people realize it was just for demos.

 

[lukeskymac]

Leveling system and upgrade-able weapons aren't what defines RPG to me, but okay.

 

[Loudninja]

Lore

In Horizon Zero Dawn, humanity has regressed into tribes and are all living off the land in different ways. For instance, Aloy's tribe, the Nora, is a hunting group that's dependent on the bow to take down wildlife and mechanical beasts. But the Nora are just one of many tribes in the game, and the writers were tasked with figuring out how all the tribes would differ from one another and what conflicts they would have. This meant creating a rich history full of warring tribes, crafting different religions for them, and most importantly, Guerrilla made sure to consider their different climates when deciding how the different tribes lived off the land.

This required them thinking more deeply about the tribes and their histories. "As is unfortunately common in our world, different groups of people usually don't like each other, and there are certainly exceptions to that, but in this case some of the recent events that have taken place that have led to longstanding hostilities in the groups, and that's something Aloy needs to navigate on her journey," Gonzalez says.

What's cool about each tribe is that they all have their own variations on the array of different weaponry and armor that Aloy can equip. Aloy has only known the Nora tribe, so her stepping into these other cultures will be an eye-opening experience. As an outsider, she doesn't hold any grudges or preferences, and is just eager to find solutions and a way to help people in need. In addition, the game has side quests for each tribe so players can learn more about them at the same time Aloy does.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...9/creating-the-lore-of-horzion-zero-dawn.aspx

 

[labaronx]

Leveling system and upgrade-able weapons aren't what defines RPG to me, but okay.

Action rpg?

 

[Morrigan Stark]

audio log or text log

Oh please, no.... >_<

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Leveling system and upgrade-able weapons aren't what defines RPG to me, but okay.

What does define an RPG for you then? Really curious to read your answer.

 

[labaronx]

What does define an RPG for you then? Really curious to read your answer.

People keep forgetting to put the "action" in front of rpg for this game and many will be disappointed i believe

 

[chrominance]

My actual fear regarding the story is not "is there enough story" but rather "is it any good." I remember a sequence in Killzone: Shadow Fall that really just beats you repeatedly over the head with how downtrodden the Helghast are on Vekta, with dialogue that's way too on the nose and carefully staged scenes of theatrical suffering that are basically just missing the Greek chorus narrating over top. I also remember ALL OF KILLZONE 3.

The story doesn't have to be Booker Prize-winning material, but I really hope there's some subtlety and nuance this time.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

The dialogue system not having much of an impact aside from adding lore is the biggest thing for me so far.

Funny enough that is the best part for me .
I like when games have one good story .
I don't mind certain things once it not effecting the whole story .

 

[Domcorleone]

Leveling system and upgrade-able weapons aren't what defines RPG to me, but okay.

It's an Action RPG ala Dark Souls/ Bloodborne/Monster Hunter. Its closer to those games than it is to Witcher 3.

 

[Baroquemantic]

Leveling system and upgrade-able weapons aren't what defines RPG to me, but okay.

Not alone, no, but they are elements of RPGs, and from what I've read, they aren't the only RPG elements Horizon has. As for dialogue/narrative choices like in Bioware games, I'm not even sure that's something most RPGs have. Well, at least in my experience. I've played lots of jrpgs, and I can't recall one that had those types of choices.

 

[Domcorleone]

The dialogue system not having much of an impact aside from adding lore is the biggest thing for me so far.

They already said that some choices effect storylines in the game it just won't change the end game.

I personally don't like alternate endings because there is always a true ending that the developers follow for the sequel.

 

[Razgreez]

Nothing wrong with that.

Many of the complaints here, and in previous threads, appear to have an entirely flippant tone but I especially do not understand the "chatter" one.

Aloy is a loner and, much like drake, is expected to converse with themselves from time to time. Spiderman The Animated Series was one of my favourite series when I was a kid specifically because Spiderman, again being predominantly a loner, was often thinking and speaking to himself thus giving the viewer insight into the character's personality and thought processes. It seemed so much more 'intelligent' than other series of the time because of that.

So stuff the complaints and let Aloy talk/think to herself as much as 'she feels'.

 

[cleveridea]

I found the fox image.

That's a really cool image

 

[Baroquemantic]

Someone needs to ask Guerrilla the real thing we all want to know.

Are there a any mini-games? Can I play a card game, go racing, play some post post apocalyptic bowling, have a giga pet with robot animals?

I need to know, Guerrilla!

 

[TimeEffect]

Oh please, no.... >_<

Why not? So long as they are done cleverly.

Id love finding audio or text clues or even artefacts in the world that give you hints about the world and lore

To me, the game needs to maintain a mystery and not give too much away. I dont even fully want to know why the world is the way it is, but I want to know more about Aloy



I hope side quests are good enough and that dialogue choices matter. I hope there are areas in the game that hold mysteries and areas accessible by certain power ups or robots

 

[Skinpop]

quest markers makes the game a deal breaker for me.

Many of the complaints here, and in previous threads, appear to have an entirely flippant tone but I especially do not understand the "chatter" one.

So stuff the complaints and let Aloy talk/think to herself as much as 'she feels'.

this is the problem I have with these games. they don't let me become or immerse myself with the character instead I'm subject to whatever story the director wants to tell, but at the same time I'm in control when I'm playing so there's this nasty dissonance that's jarring and annoying. the only chatter I want to hear is my own or perhaps an npc. this stuff instantly makes the character unlikable to me.

 

[Loudninja]

Oh please, no.... >_<

Eh it makes sense for this world.

No different then finding a book to read in a rpg.

 

[Lime]

for people who like to collect every audio log or text log out there,

:/

That's shitty storytelling, Guerilla!

 

[StrongBlackVine]

The dialogue system not having much of an impact aside from adding lore is the biggest thing for me so far.

Not true. In this article they clearly say the choices she makes will influence the game as far gaining allies that may appear later in the game. I won't be The Witcher 3 level choices, but it won't be Uncharted 4 dialogue window dressing either.

 

[Insane Metal]

It is.

Noooooo

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Really? :0

I think so. Can anyone else help out here? There have been so many threads and I can't remember where I saw it lol.

 

[Memento]

quest markers makes the game a deal breaker for me.

Are you serious?...

 

[Loudninja]

Not only is there a main quest, but there are also extra goodies to find for those don't who really get into the lore. &#8220;For people who are story junkies, for people who like to collect every audio log or text log out there, people who want to have a grand narrative to their game, I think they're going to be really surprised and delighted by what we have prepared for them,&#8221; says lead writer John Gonzalez.

They have something for everyone with lore and story.

 

[Baroquemantic]

:/

That's shitty storytelling, Guerilla!

If they tell most of the story through this means, then yeah, it'll suck. But if it's just to expand on the lore, then I don't see how that would be shit storytelling.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Leveling system and upgrade-able weapons aren't what defines RPG to me, but okay.

I guess Souls games are not RPGs then?

 

[Lime]

If they tell most of the story through this means, then yeah, it'll suck. But if it's just to expand on the lore, then I don't see how that would be shit storytelling.

It's usually arbitrary narrative pieces that don't make any sense.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Oh please, no.... >_<

I love finding audio and text logs. As long as they interesting I don't see a problem.

edit I doubt they will use these as a main storytelling device. It should definitely be mostly extra lore

 

[Senoculum]

Are you serious?...

Probably is. I've seen that sentiment everywhere.

You can turn them off and.... that's the end of the conversation. I especially do this once I'm totally familiar with a particular game's controls or interface -- I turn off those quest markers and just wander around with maybe the main quest as my only guiding light.

I do nothing but raise my brow when people complain about quest markers... It's so dumb. It's so incredibly dumb.

 

[Mar Nosso]

What about the protagonist's incessent chatter?

I love it. Guerrilla do not listen to this person!

 

[RoboPlato]

I love it. Guerrilla do not listen to this person!

They've already confirmed it was just for demo purposes. It's really obvious that she's not going to constantly narrate what the player is going to craft before they do it.

 

[Mar Nosso]

:/

That's shitty storytelling, Guerilla!

Yeah, have to agree with that. That's a lazy and uninspired way of telling story and revealing lore.

 

[Mar Nosso]

They've already confirmed it was just for demo purposes. It's really obvious that she's not going to constantly narrate what the player is going to craft before they do it.

Arrow straight to the heart! ;_;

 

[StrongBlackVine]

I love it. Guerrilla do not listen to this person!

It's not in the actual game. All of non-trailer demo footage I have seen does not have that level of chatter.

Yeah, have to agree with that. That's a lazy and uninspired way of telling story and revealing lore.

How is that? With an advanced civilization that had been destroyed you wouldn't expect to find some information through writings and recordings? It makes perfect sense for this game. It's like people are looking for things to nitpick and complain about before seeing how it is implemented.

 

[LordofPwn]

must contain the hype. at times it sounds too good to be true. i'm just hoping for some fun encounters and a meh story. really as long as it's as good as Shadow of Mordor i'll be happy.