BluRay drive and not having to pay for online were biggers factors then brand loyalty imo.
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BluRay drive and not having to pay for online were biggers factors then brand loyalty imo.
Who's stopping you?
I think trying to attribute something to Jeff being biased against Sony is weird nonsense. Who cares?
Zeouterlimits
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PS3 came out even later in Europe, was ridiculously expensive, had a first party lineup for its first few years and worse ports of third party games in general.
Felt like that shit was lapped up here, where Stateside momentum swung much more dramatically.
Fair enough, it didn't seem to be the case among the people I encountered, but they were more game focused people.
(Online) MP focused players I knew were definetely on 360 or PC (this is all based on personal observation)
Basileus777
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"Who cares" is a shit post and the post you were responding to wasn't slamming Jeff for bias.
You know, that's your opinion and all. You don't see me telling you that Americans are stupid for buying an Xbox One while retailers here in Germany can't get rid of stock for the life of them.
I had a friend who bought a PS3 at launch and I was like what are you doing maaaaan 600 holy Kuh!
Besides, I think it's a fair point to make that the crew has a very US-centered view on the market and while that in itself is totally fair it wouldn't hurt to try to also take the rest of the market into consideration once in a while.
They have often talk like the 360 crushed the PS3.
He would have been correct had he been talking about overall success. Sony ceded a ridiculous amount of ground to Microsoft, while losing a lot of money on the PS3 for a significant stretch of the generation. Their comeback was fantastic (speaks to their core strength), and came at the perfect time leading up to a new generation, but I suspect the 360 dominance narrative is rooted in more than just the sales race. One of the companies had a tough time for awhile, while the other was having the time of their lives.
Because it did in America. Which they have a fixiation on because they are American. Not because Jeff's "lukewarm personal opinion" of Sony games prevents him from recognizing it.
nckillthegrimace
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The 360 is basically the US's PSP.
The meme value keeps rising. Drew must be banking in massive levels of meme royalties by now.
Europe (at least continental europe or southern countries, in my experience) was basically Sega and Sony land for the most part, pretty much the opposite of the US.
Totally anecdotal personal experience:
(In Portugal) I had 1 friend with a Super Nintendo (he didn't even like games), everyone else had a Megadrive.
I did previously own a fake NES, before I even knew what an NES was. We called them "Family Game" over here, mine came with 10 thousand games built in (maybe 30 or 40 different games total, the rest were just variations in number of lives, levels, etc). It had Mario, Contra, Ice Climbers and a couple more recognizable Nintendo games.
Mario was rather succesful (don't know if actual NES or the clones), because for a time older people called every console "a Nintendo".
Then the Playstation(s) came out and it basically owned the market. I knew exactly one person with an original Xbox. Probably 3 people with a 360, this one was a bit more successful, but it was still PS3 land for the most part.
I think I actually knew more people who owned Dreamcasts than Xbox.
Totally anecdotal personal experience:
(In Portugal) I had 1 friend with a Super Nintendo (he didn't even like games), everyone else had a Megadrive.
I did previously own a fake NES, before I even knew what an NES was. We called them "Family Game" over here, mine came with 10 thousand games built in (maybe 30 or 40 different games total, the rest were just variations in number of lives, levels, etc). It had Mario, Contra, Ice Climbers and a couple more recognizable Nintendo games.
Mario was rather succesful (don't know if actual NES or the clones), because for a time older people called every console "a Nintendo".
Then the Playstation(s) came out and it basically owned the market. I knew exactly one person with an original Xbox. Probably 3 people with a 360, this one was a bit more successful, but it was still PS3 land for the most part.
I think I actually knew more people who owned Dreamcasts than Xbox.
I'll never understand that kind of thinking. It's reminds me when people in the weekly Box Office threads talk about international box office will save some movie from bombing after bombing in the US. Like it matters one bit where the $$$ come from.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
They should send Drew to Colbert. Leverage the CBS connection.
*danking
I think he still understands why MS isn't winning. Hell, he was at the forefront with the other duders during the whole X1 fiasco.
It's true though that they don't pay as much attention to the other markets as the US but that's not surprising, they are US based after all.
I think it's because they don't really care about console war nonsense so whatever is more popular in America has a bigger and more noticeable effect to them.
But they should. Whenever they talk about the business they should take the rest of the world into consideration. If they want to talk business, they should do it correctly.
I think you're taking the site more seriously than they do themselves.
It isn't Forbes, it's Giant Bomb.
Piston Hyundai
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Jesus, you and your Sony
In Europe Mega Drive and SNES were close sales wise. The SNES won out overall though. In Germany for example the SNES did way better, so that varied by country. I'm pretty sure it was only the UK where Sega really dominated.
If it was for me they would skip all business talk. They are pretty bad at it and that's not why I'm following them to begin with. I'd rather hear them talk fast-food chains.
we've reached the apex
Sleeping Lesson
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If Buzzfeed is the apex I want off this ride.
Sleeping Lesson
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Well he does have that tattoo that says "Nathan Drake blows ass."
Where did this conversation even come from, anyway? What did Jeff recently say that shows a lack of awareness about the European market?
Basileus777
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Nah Terrell Owens using the meme is still the high point.
It started as a response to one of his answers on the recent jar time.
Even the memes are US focused. Call me when Messi posts it!
Basileus777
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broncobuster
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On crazy Jeff opinions, didn't he say Nuclear Throne is better than Enter the Gungeon? Heresy, I say.
funkystudent
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360 doing bad in Europe and PS3 doing good in europe has more to do with Microsoft absolutely sucking in that area.
MS think EU success was as easy as getting the co marketing deal for FIFA.
And of course XBL was always teir 2 in a lot of europe with missing services abound on top of a higher membership fee for "reasons" back then.
But Europe market is weird. I wouldnt really be able to tell you what a console maker needs to do there to succeed outside of the obvious "Dont be dicks with pricing and features"
MS think EU success was as easy as getting the co marketing deal for FIFA.
And of course XBL was always teir 2 in a lot of europe with missing services abound on top of a higher membership fee for "reasons" back then.
But Europe market is weird. I wouldnt really be able to tell you what a console maker needs to do there to succeed outside of the obvious "Dont be dicks with pricing and features"
Messi probably doesn't even know what the internet is.
Ronaldo, on the other hand... I'm sure by now one of Ronaldo's social media people is on it so he can #engage and grow his #brand by jumping on the latest internet sensation.
I can already see a series of videos with Drew, in the vein of his ad "challenges" with Dwyane Wade.
Excuse me, that's only for me and my doctor to know.
I'm not trying to bash you, but haven't you noticed how many times you've posted to attempt to correct a GB staffer about the Playstation and its games? I'm just saying maybe spread your wings a little bit.
Next OT title needs to be "You sound like you have a beard!" None of this blinking meme shite.
What is the best way to break in to the gaming industry?
Some forbid you from saying that you have the game. I think the publishers justify it because they send preferred outlets e.g. press, copies earlier than internet sites. At least they used to before youtubers got everything first. they don't want someone from Polygon sending angry emails because they heard the guy at IGN already got his copy.
What is the best way to break in to the gaming industry?
Some forbid you from saying that you have the game. I think the publishers justify it because they send preferred outlets e.g. press, copies earlier than internet sites. At least they used to before youtubers got everything first. they don't want someone from Polygon sending angry emails because they heard the guy at IGN already got his copy.
Antiwhippy
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I Wonder if there are any curufinwe post in this thread that isn't a defense of Sony.
The answer that started around minute 38?
Because I'm not seeing where his awareness (or lack thereof) of the European market really came into play there. Unless the original point was, "Oh, Jeff, so American to even feel the need to explain how the X1 lost the generation. Only in America did the PS4's incredible value not totally outweigh everything else. Otherwise, it really is as simple as 'the PS4 is awesome.'"
Actually think they are pretty competent when it comes to talking business compared to other gaming sites/people, and most importantly imo very clear with where their limitations of understanding are. This just reminded of the early Xbox 360 days when every Microsoft E3 press conference was just a big middle finger to the rest of the world. They would go on for like 40 minutes about Netflix, Hulu, NFL apps and shit that hadn't even come to Europe.
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