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Fox318

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Yep. Last year there was basically nothing wrong with the Q&A portion aside from the one asshole asking the question about TANG. In fact, most comments in this thread being down on the Q&A were exclusively referring to that question. Just seems like a massive amount of confirmation bias at this point where GAF sits on edge waiting for the thing to cringe at.

It wasn't the worst question although he could have reworded it to something like this:

Are Giantbomb shows/features that were fronted or hosted by Ryan going to continue or will they be retired?

They pretty much canceled TNT, Everybody Loves Mondays, TANG(which had more to do with the fact that it required more work then they could afford to do now anyway with CBSi cutting the staff size), and even the Cards Against Humanity expansion(which was a bad idea anyway).
 

Liamc723

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Could anyone explain to me exactly what the "Unprofessional Fridays: Chicago" actually is? Is it just them playing more games before the normal show or something different?
 

Fox318

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Could anyone explain to me exactly what the "Unprofessional Fridays: Chicago" actually is? Is it just them playing more games before the normal show or something different?

Cameras follow Patrick around on the street as he tries to educate the world on threes and why he believes Phil Fish is the pinnacle of humanity.
 
Could anyone explain to me exactly what the "Unprofessional Fridays: Chicago" actually is? Is it just them playing more games before the normal show or something different?

Patrick said it is the same deal as the usual show - each person brings a game, plays, and talks about.
 

Patryn

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I really think they need to let this go. It's painfully obvious they're mostly incensed because Patrick and Max work next to the creator of Threes and it's fine to stick up for your friends, but this really isn't getting a whole lot of traction.

I'm a little skeeved out that Patrick just tweeted out the Twitter address of the guy behind 2048 who refused to talk to him for the story. Given his following, he has to see that he's just leading to a bunch of people harassing the guy.

At that point, you've become the story itself. It seems really unprofessional, frankly.

EDIT: Looks like Patrick deleted that tweet, which I think was the right move. I don't understand how he can't see it as a call to harass the guy. Sure, the guy may have done some scummy things, but I'd like to think that Patrick is better than that.
 
The "problem" is that the games are as complex as any other game but they don't have an interesting setting for anyone who doesn't care about the sport that much IRL. Elves, romans, robots or aliens are much more interesting than some dudes hitting balls in a stadium.

The simplicity of early sport games made them great competitive games to play with your friends even if you (or your friend) didn't know much about the sport. They filled the same niche as games like Samurai Gunn these days, though of course it wasn't as much a niche back then.

Making complex sport games for people who like the sport isn't wrong, of course, it just means that people who liked those early sport games for their simplicity won't enjoy them.

Don't most of those have way simple arcadey options?

Yep.

Don't blame me for not hearing about your game first.

Plus threes costs money so you're already kind of losing in the mobile market when it's such a simple project, someone else will make it in a weekend for free simply because they can.

Welcome to LCD Land, Scoops: this is what you're really fighting here.
 

popo

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Identifying the twitter account of a dev is so far from doxing it is a joke. The only mistake he made, and someone else pointed this out to him, was that saying he "refused to talk to me" rather than the newspaper standard of "declined to comment" implies negativity and a sense of entitlement on the journos part.
 

chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
I'm a little skeeved out that Patrick just tweeted out the Twitter address of the guy behind 2048 who refused to talk to him for the story. Given his following, he has to see that he's just leading to a bunch of people harassing the guy.

At that point, you've become the story itself. It seems really unprofessional, frankly.

EDIT: Looks like Patrick deleted that tweet, which I think was the right move. I don't understand how he can't see it as a call to harass the guy. Sure, the guy may have done some scummy things, but I'd like to think that Patrick is better than that.

A great start to Unpro Fridays!

But yeah, not sure what he was thinking with that tweet. What would that have served other than "let's send nasty tweets to that guy."

Identifying the twitter account of a dev is so far from doxing it is a joke. The only mistake he made, and someone else pointed this out to him, was that saying he "refused to talk to me" rather than the newspaper standard of "declined to comment" implies negativity and a sense of entitlement on the journos part.

Yeah, that too. Patrick seems a bit angry at the whole thing.
 

Patryn

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Identifying the twitter account of a dev is so far from doxing it is a joke. The only mistake he made, and someone else pointed this out to him, was that saying he "refused to talk to me" rather than the newspaper standard of "declined to comment" implies negativity and a sense of entitlement on the journos part.

As I said, I don't think it's doxxing, true. But I do think, given the way he tweeted it out, that it's an invitation for Patrick's followers to harass the guy on Twitter.
 
Well yeah, it's pretty much 'this guy wouldn't talk to me, here's his info, harass him till he submits to do so.' It's an abuse of power if anything.
 
As I said, I don't think it's doxxing, true. But I do think, given the way he tweeted it out, that it's an invitation for Patrick's followers to harass the guy on Twitter.

Yeah, it seems pretty shitty when it can pretty much only go in one direction and that direction is the same thing Patrick's railed against and made articles against in the past.
 

popo

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I guess, I mean he links to the guys twitter in the article but maybe putting it out as tweet does seem more like a call to arms. He likely didn't mean it that way but a lot of people are stupid I guess, only takes one idiot.
 

chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
Yeah, it seems pretty shitty when it can pretty much only go in one direction and that direction is the same thing Patrick's railed against and made articles against in the past.

Ugh, the more I think about it the more I get a bit peeved at the whole thing.
 

Xater

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The Bigs was a fun series. Probably never going to see another one.

Agreed, Bigs was really fun. Hey maybe RBI Baseball 14 will be good?

No it won't. Just look at the screenshots. :(

I am really psyched about the Chicago show. Dave Lang on a semi regular basis will be amazing.
 

Fox318

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The "problem" is that the games are as complex as any other game but they don't have an interesting setting for anyone who doesn't care about the sport that much IRL. Elves, romans, robots or aliens are much more interesting than some dudes hitting balls in a stadium.
See when I think of people making sports games with crazy creatures or odd themes I think of how bad games like Bill Laimbeer's Combat basketball and how the theme and artstyle try to distract away from what makes a sports game good.
The simplicity of early sport games made them great competitive games to play with your friends even if you (or your friend) didn't know much about the sport. They filled the same niche as games like Samurai Gunn these days, though of course it wasn't as much a niche back then.
But with most major spots the games themselves really aren't that complex. The most complex thing is that controls have enabled players to get almost all control over a player. Sure you can have a NBA game with just a shoot or pass mode but does that mean that a game that allows alley-oops, special ball movement, or flopping is any worse?

Making complex sport games for people who like the sport isn't wrong, of course, it just means that people who liked those early sport games for their simplicity won't enjoy them.
I just feel that people who liked the early NES games would actually enjoy playing modern games if they gave it a chance. Annualization has fostered a perception that the games are poorly designed and are meant for a target audience that most games media types despise.

I love Tecmo Bowl and the fan hacks with modern rosters but I think sports games have been unfairly bashed for having a wide selection of modes versus having one game mode that may take away some of the nuance of sport.
 

Xater

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I just feel that people who liked the early NES games would actually enjoy playing modern games if they gave it a chance. Annualization has fostered a perception that the games are poorly designed and are meant for a target audience that most games media types despise.

That's a huge assumption. I give it a shot time and time again and these games are not for me. I can get appreciate FIFA or PES but I played a lot of their iterations. I enjoy what I played of last years The Show somewhat but I never got a good grasp of the game to really love it. I might try again with the PS4 game this year but if it doesn't click again that's probably it for baseball games as well at this point.
 

FStop7

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I'm a little skeeved out that Patrick just tweeted out the Twitter address of the guy behind 2048 who refused to talk to him for the story. Given his following, he has to see that he's just leading to a bunch of people harassing the guy.

At that point, you've become the story itself. It seems really unprofessional, frankly.

EDIT: Looks like Patrick deleted that tweet, which I think was the right move. I don't understand how he can't see it as a call to harass the guy. Sure, the guy may have done some scummy things, but I'd like to think that Patrick is better than that.

Patrick and Alex are way off the deep end with this stuff. Hopefully someone higher up reels them in a bit.

Maybe the 2048 guy will now start doing TED talks about online harassment.
 

Megasoum

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Patrick and Alex are way off the deep end with this stuff. Hopefully someone higher up reels them in a bit.

Maybe the 2048 guy will now start doing TED talks about online harassment.

I really wonder how far Patrick would have actually pushed the whole thing if the guy that made Threes was not sitting next to him at work...
 

Kerned

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I really wonder how far Patrick would have actually pushed the whole thing if the guy that made Threes was not sitting next to him at work...

Game cloning has been a problem for a while now, but for some reason he only recently felt compelled to write something about it. I wonder why.
 

RE_Player

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The only thing I miss is the random office videos they used to shoot when they got a new piece of hardware, collector's edition or PR package.
 
I really wonder how far Patrick would have actually pushed the whole thing if the guy that made Threes was not sitting next to him at work...

Ohhh. ok.

I was literally just going to ask "Why does Patrick seem to have a personal vendetta against the guy who made 2048". That explains that.



#gamesjournalism
 

Thomper

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The guy is often super down when talking about games, as if nothing excites him anymore. It's a running joke that "Jeff doesn't like games anymore." I'm not pulling this out of nowhere.

But it's also a running joke that's pretty stupid. Last year, when he had plenty of reasons to be down, he was still super excited about stuff like Metal Gear Rising Revengeance, The Stanley Parable, Gunpoint, Antichambers, Saints Row 4. Just because next-big-AAA-shooter doesn't have Jeff spewing hype doesn't mean he hates all games suddenly.
 
It wasn't the worst question although he could have reworded it to something like this:

Are Giantbomb shows/features that were fronted or hosted by Ryan going to continue or will they be retired?

They pretty much canceled TNT, Everybody Loves Mondays, TANG(which had more to do with the fact that it required more work then they could afford to do now anyway with CBSi cutting the staff size), and even the Cards Against Humanity expansion(which was a bad idea anyway).

Pretty sure they have already said all the Ryan fronted stuff won't return.
 

FStop7

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I don't really enjoy that show anymore. Would you mind summing it up? I am right in assuming that Alex chastised someone in public for playing 2048? Please tell me I'm not right.

He saw a lady playing 2048 and tried to "educate" her. In other words, he freaked out a total stranger to the point where he moved to a different part of the bus because of the look she gave him.
 

Zaph

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Yeah, it seems pretty shitty when it can pretty much only go in one direction and that direction is the same thing Patrick's railed against and made articles against in the past.
So much truth in this post. Receiving a comment for your article is a courtesy, not a right, Patrick. That tweet was amateur as fuck and his follow-up tweet was surprising considering he just recently chastised Pete Dodd for his non-apology.

This whole Threes thing with them is weird. Cloning is not new or unique to that game, we don't need a case study on it. A far more interesting article would be reaching out to a lawyer specialising in IP/software to see if there's anything devs can do to protect themselves or if any lawyer has tried to fight against a clone. Or maybe reach out to a spokesperson from Google Play and Apple App Store about their policy on cloning. Especially Google because they stopped accepting Flappy Bird clones - so obviously they have some (selectively applied) anti-cloning rules.


On a lighter note, I just heard Jeff clapping along to Michael Jackson's PYT. Happy Jeff makes me happy.
 

RE_Player

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He saw a lady playing 2048 and tried to "educate" her. In other words, he freaked out a total stranger to the point where he moved to a different part of the bus because of the look she gave him.
I hope you are joking... Not sure I can handle listening to the morning show if this is the case.
 

Kerned

Banned
He saw a lady playing 2048 and tried to "educate" her. In other words, he freaked out a total stranger to the point where he moved to a different part of the bus because of the look she gave him.

Jesus Christ. My eyes can't roll hard enough right now.
 

Brakke

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Ehh the Threes story is interesting and worthwhile; a similar coverage cycle happened with Ridiculous Fishing. It remains true that Threes is strictly better than the derivatives--both visually and game designically--and that it took a lot more work and that the knock-offs probably damaged it.

The idea of working really hard on something that looks simple and then have it sort of slip away from you is worth covering.

It just sucks how much this one is breaking along insider-outsider lines. Like Flappy Bird, all kind of people throwing shade on it because it was made by some unknown and not some established indie darling. Plus 2048 guy didn't even know about Threes--he took a bad thing and improved it and that's cool; it's not his fault that bad thing was a knock-off of a good thing.

I dunno, I feel like the tone of the conversation should be "huh isn't this interesting how this collapsing-blocks-game meme spread" instead of "huh look at this injustice".
 
Kinda crappy Patrick. Given your aversion to people getting harassed on twitter (Flappybird, phil fish, gamestop journo, zoe quin, leigh alexander, and yourself) you do know the consequences for writing:

"If you read my Threes cloning story yesterday, the developer of the 2048 iOS/Android app who refused to talk to me is:
@NotGoingToAddFuelToTheFirePatrick
"

Seriously dude.
 

Larsa

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He saw a lady playing 2048 and tried to "educate" her. In other words, he freaked out a total stranger to the point where he moved to a different part of the bus because of the look she gave him.

Except that the lady approached him first and freaked out when he told her about Threes. Come on man.
 
I would almost make a thread about this 2048 business but I have kind of a pre assumed anti Patrick bias. People love a good games journalist shit story
 

kvothe

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He saw a lady playing 2048 and tried to "educate" her. In other words, he freaked out a total stranger to the point where he moved to a different part of the bus because of the look she gave him.

Did you actually listen to what he said? The woman playing 2048 saw him playing Threes and SHE was the one that instigated the conversation about it. Don't make it sound like he went out of his way to tell this woman she was doing something wrong, he didn't. She started the conversation and he, according to him, politely engaged with her and said that Threes actually came out first.
 
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