WrenchNinja
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Does anyone remember if modnation racers was a good kart game? I remember buying it because of the track creation stuff, had some fun with the actual racing but couldn't continue playing it because the load times were excruciating.
bigwinnerx
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MK8 is definitely fun. Even with the rubber banding. Even with the blue shells. Even with getting hit by your own green shell on a terrible rebound. Even with snaking or hopping.
Don't need to win. The game is a slot machine. Sometimes you win, most of the time you lose. But, that time you do win and don't get hit by the blue shell or get passed by the hopper or fall off those turns on Rainbow Road, it can still be very, very fun in the process. At least to me.
Don't need to win. The game is a slot machine. Sometimes you win, most of the time you lose. But, that time you do win and don't get hit by the blue shell or get passed by the hopper or fall off those turns on Rainbow Road, it can still be very, very fun in the process. At least to me.
That's not what I am looking for in my games though. Luck to me is one of the worst elements in games. That's why even in board games I go for games that have the least luck in them because I don't want to be shafted when I am good.
bigwinnerx
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But, do you play anything with an RNG element? Same idea.
Jimmyfenix
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Welcome. You should watch drew going to north Korea.
I have to say I am not finding it that tough, only missing one 3 star rank on mirror, if you get ahead it is easy enough to stay there, but if you get mired in the pack it can become a huge pain in the ass.
Thanks Jimmyfenix, will have a look at that over the next few weeks as I have a look through the premium stuff.
Thanks Jimmyfenix, will have a look at that over the next few weeks as I have a look through the premium stuff.
Except for Hearthstone (and even there it's debatable) I don't think I play any game where RNG can fuck you as much as in MK.
Like I said though that's not my only complaint about the MK series though. I also hate the SP progression. In all these years they could not come up with something better than being first in every Grand Prix. It's super lazy game design.
bigwinnerx
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I dunno, I play Diablo 3, and the amount of time one can put into caches trying to get the perfect Royal Ring of Grandeur or something is fairly epic. Diablo 3 flips you off at almost every conceivable turn. But, then you get the good roll....
The amount of time I spent doing Baal runs in Diablo II...
It's pretty rough in XCOM when your Colonel misses on a 95% chance to hit and then gets killed. It's why I don't bother with Ironman.
Haunted
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Just look at the results in the QL, small sample size, but they were perfectly fine. Alex played the longest, dominated. Jeff was pretty lacklustre and finished 5th-8th and Brad was being Brad and got 11th or whatever.
That's a fairly accurate representation of the skill I've seen involved. People talking about the luck factor in MK8 exaggerate. There are some wild swings in the last lap in some races, but they're generally pretty rare. It's a well balanced game where skill ultimately decides the outcome in most races, especially across a series of races like a cup or two.
edit: now that it's come up, Hearthstone is much more luck dependent as a game at all levels of play.
The difference with RNG like that is it usually doesn't destroy my whole game. I can adapt my strategy etc. If I get hit by a blue shell in the last round I am most likely fucked. And even when people say it doesn't happen that often it happens often enough to anger me to no end.
SteveWinwood
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Anyone who yammers on about luck in mario kart is just nowhere as good as they think they are, or has very little clue what they're talking about.
Go join the gaf tourney. After your third 12th place in a row you'll go "huh maybe skill does factor into this game".
Go join the gaf tourney. After your third 12th place in a row you'll go "huh maybe skill does factor into this game".
Keyser Soze
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This weeks Lobby (Gamespot) is not good... pity was starting to enjoy that in recent weeks
I love MK8 but agree with Jeff a 100%. I don't see myself having fun with the game for more than maybe a week or two now that my personal skill and map knowledge is as high as they'll get. Just yesterday I had three matches in a row with gaffers where I was top 3 for most of the race and then got completely robbed by a series of no-skill power ups. Six people overtaking me in the last stretch just because I rolled a coin and someone rolled a red shell isn't fun for long. Also if I roll a Bullet Bill and go from 8th place to 2nd place it doesn't feel that good.
#truthshells
This makes no sense. The RNG is exactly the same for GAF matches as it is for anything else. People are seriously good an it ups the challenge by a consoderable amount but the no-skill power ups still fuck people just as bad regardless of how good they are or what forum they're from. You can't skillfully dodge a blue shell or skillfully recover from it and the game still favors the last places in terms of items which is detrimental to skill based gaming. MK8 is hugely afffected by RNG and sheltering mechanics.
BennyBlanco
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Jeff was probably just having a shitty day, happens to everyone.
Really? I thought it was okay. The British guy with the glasses was pretty funny.
Shocking, people are overreacting to a less that positive impression of a Nintendo game?
NumberThree
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You guys raised my expectations way too high regarding Jeff in the MK8 QL. He just seems indefferent, even going so far as to say he sort of wishes he'd like the game.
That Wario booty discussion, however.. I'm sure quick looks wtih Vinny and Alex will be just fine.
That Wario booty discussion, however.. I'm sure quick looks wtih Vinny and Alex will be just fine.
EmCeeGramr
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In Mario Kart DS you totally can dodge the blue shell.
Also, you can kind of "skillfully recover" from one, or at least mitigate the damage! If you see a blue shell being held, you can try and drop a peel or shoot a green shell behind you to increase the odds of 2nd place having to dodge or get hit, and if 2nd place is close enough to you, you can actually slow down and ensure that you both get hit so that they can't zoom ahead while you're stunned.
The items in Mario Kart create opportunities and risks for the players; they very rarely actually win or lose a race alone.
Getting hit by blue shell is not the end of the match. People have gotten hit by more than only one blue shell in a game and ended up still winning (without being overtaken). I've done it myself.
Also, sitting in 2nd-4th till the last round is a legitimate strategy btw. But since you seem to consider yourself the end-all, be-all Mario Kart player, I don't need to tell you that.
Other than the DS thing which doesn't work in MK8 I have to point out that what you describe as skillful mitigation is still just as dependant on RNG as anything. I'm not saying all 1st place item rolls are coins but it's not exactly something you can count on to have peels or shells.
Of course people should realize (and be skillful) that you should always save peels, shells and shrooms and not just use them like you don't care. Having a shroom makes recovery faster and peels negate red shells if you time them properly.
Getting hhit by a blue shell is the end of the match if people time it well. Of course there's always the lap 1 blue shells that mean nothing in the end.
Hanging below the 1st is a sound strategy but it is effectively just hoping for blue shells instead of red ones. A 4-5th place racer with three red shells will fuck you up and down the ladder you fall
Yeah. Jeff being pretty indifferent about a franchise he's been indifferent about for forever, and saying that it looks good visually but just isn't for him doesn't seem like a big deal. At least not a big enough deal for people to pull the "jaded and cynical" card. I expected the entire QL to just be Jeff sighing after what some people said on here.
Anyways, maybe Ryckert will somehow be the third guy driving to LA from SF with Jeff and Alex even though he said he's not going? Maybe?
bigwinnerx
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Not to give away my moves, but, that's my move. If a blue shell is coming my way and I'm in front, I slam the brakes.
Getting hhit by a blue shell is the end of the match if people time it well. Of course there's always the lap 1 blue shells that mean nothing in the end.
Hanging below the 1st is a sound strategy but it is effectively just hoping for blue shells instead of red ones. A 4-5th place racer with three red shells will fuck you up and down the ladder you fall
The fact remains that people have consistently great results against strong competition. Sorry!
If only I had rolled a blue shell we could continue the debate :-(
ShockingAlberto
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Items are weighted now. Your distance to the next player determines what you get, not your overall ranking.
I'll be honest, you'd have to be a pretty bad player to fall for that move.
bigwinnerx
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Fall? I'd make sure you didn't have a say in the matter.
Yep, they said the same on the podcast. There is also a possible second guest that agreed to join while drunk. Should be a fun stream.
Jimmyfenix
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#Dan
This I absolutely agree with. I still raise an eyebrow though any time people ask loaded questions like "Has MK8 taken back the throne from [whatever]?"
I'm obviously referring to the Sega All-Stars Racing community, but it would apply to any game that has neither critically nor in terms of popularity approached what another series has consistently managed. CTR was fantastic.
I assure you, it's more underwhelming than you can possibly imagine.
Hot Coldman
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Battle Mode only matters when Block Fort is a map.
FUCK. YES.
Anyone listening to mixlr? Did Jeff say that even he won't be going to the live conferences? Because he didn't sound too convinced about the idea.
Was hoping they'd do something like the console reveal, with a crew commentating live then a Skype-in with Jeff's impressions of stuff the cameras can't pick up.
Was hoping they'd do something like the console reveal, with a crew commentating live then a Skype-in with Jeff's impressions of stuff the cameras can't pick up.
Fantastapotamus
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Happy Birthday Ryan :')
AuthenticM
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hellz yeah, dawg.
I didn't like Jess McDonald on it. I think it harmed some of the productive discussion on the Nintendo segment.
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