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[Agent X]

I think that's going to be jarring for a lot of people who have become fans of God of War. If they truly do a remaster, I think it is one of the biggest mistakes they've ever made. No one else is doing remasters of 20 year old games for a franchise of this caliber.

What's this, then?

News - Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 1/2 remaster releases December 10th

PS4/5 confirmed but I expect this to land on other platforms too. Graphics look very clean to my eyes. Buying this day 1.

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The first problem is you don't do this in one project. You start with a remake of the first game. Look at how Capcom has been remaking RE titles since RE2 and the sustained success that has brought them through RE4. We're 5 years into RE Remakes.

I agree, this wouldn't likely be done in one project, as there's too much content to shoehorn into a single game. But, even if you consolidate the original God of War, the two PSP games, and Ascension into one game, that's a sizable game...and then they need to do each of GoW2 and GoW3 as separate projects? That makes three games, each of which would take 3-5 years of work to complete.

Do you want Santa Monica Studio to be tied up in remaking old games for a decade or more? (Seems to be a complaint people have with Naughty Dog.) Or do you farm the remakes out to some other studio, and pray they don't botch them?

This is the primary reason why I advocate for remasters of the older games at this point, instead of full-fledged remakes. They have studios like Bluepoint and Nixxes that are skilled at refreshing existing games, while keeping Santa Monica Studio free to focus on other projects.

That's leaving money on the table for a studio that needs to be able to grow.

Exactly. Santa Monica Studio's efforts are better applied to making genuinely new games.

 

[Schmendrick]

All of that you still can't answer the question.

I already did, twice (and so did Gaiff)... That you still don't realize that and try to act smug instead. ...Yes , by now I think you are stupid or just a troll.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

What's this, then?

News - Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 1/2 remaster releases December 10th

PS4/5 confirmed but I expect this to land on other platforms too. Graphics look very clean to my eyes. Buying this day 1.

www.neogaf.com

LOL, you didn't see where I bring up Soul Reaver? It's not anywhere on the same level as God of War. Even back then it did not sell nearly as well.

I agree, this wouldn't likely be done in one project, as there's too much content to shoehorn into a single game. But, even if you consolidate the original God of War, the two PSP games, and Ascension into one game, that's a sizable game...and then they need to do each of GoW2 and GoW3 as separate projects? That makes three games, each of which would take 3-5 years of work to complete.

Capcom only needed a year to make RE3 (a year after the release of RE2). The reality is you make these games in parallel reusing many of the assets.

RE2 Remake started in 2015 and released in 2019. 3 Remake started shortly after RE2 started. Since 2015 to 2024, they've released 3 remakes...

Do you want Santa Monica Studio to be tied up in remaking old games for a decade or more? (Seems to be a complaint people have with Naughty Dog.) Or do you farm the remakes out to some other studio, and pray they don't botch them?

First this is what lets you grow as a studio. I don't think anyone is complaining that Capcom is "tied up".

This is the primary reason why I advocate for remasters of the older games at this point, instead of full-fledged remakes. They have studios like Bluepoint and Nixxes that are skilled at refreshing existing games, while keeping Santa Monica Studio free to focus on other projects.

Apply that to RE...

Exactly. Santa Monica Studio's efforts are better applied to making genuinely new games.

See above...

 

[Mibu no ookami]

A remaster. HZD isn’t that old to begin with and HFW largely uses the same assets but heavily upgraded. It’s nowhere near the work of TLOU vs Part I.

Had to take you off ignore for a second because S Schmendrick claimed you answered my question and I assume he is cosigning your answer.

The Last of Us Remastered is 3 years older than Horizon Zero Dawn.

Both games reuse assets that are heavily upgraded.

The reality is that Horizon goes much further than TLOU "Remake" with hours of re-recorded mocaps.

They both utilize features from updated engines. TLOU P1 utilizes an engine from a game released 6 years later (5 if you count the remaster). HZD remastered utilizes an engine from a game that was released 5 years later...

 

[Gaiff]

Had to take you off ignore for a second because S Schmendrick claimed you answered my question and I assume he is consigning your answer.

I have nothing against you and don’t recall having any especially vitriolic discussion with you, so I ain’t got the faintest idea why you’d have me on ignore.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I have nothing against you and don’t recall having any especially vitriolic discussion with you, so I ain’t got the faintest idea why you’d have me on ignore.

Me putting someone on ignore doesn't mean that we have any animosity.

Sometimes it's just about cleaning up discussions that might veer away from gaming.

 

[GermanZepp]

The franchise hit massive numbers because it evolved from that stuff. Silly to go back now.

Dad of war owns everything to the previous games.

 

[EverydayBeast]

God of war Greek saga is better there’s no argument.

 

[GermanZepp]

Got them right here

 

[Killer8]

Thinking about what i'd like from this would be either:

a) taking the work Bluepoint and Ready at Dawn already did on the two HD collections and release it in native 4K with pristine image quality. Then couple that with the GOWIII remaster in 4K along with a new 4K port of Ascension. I think minimal work would be needed for this (certainly less than Nixxes are putting into the Horizon remaster). Just don't fuck with the source material for the mythical modern audiences.

or

b) something more comprehensive akin to the Halo Anniversary games, maybe bringing the games with PS2 and PSP roots up to a similar standard to GOWIII. I think going further than that would be too much work for a collection like this, and sort of unnecessary since GOWIII still looks fantastic to this day. I think there would be a nice series consistency with that approach and people would be pretty satisfied with that - they already are with things like the Tomb Raider remasters, which despite remastering improvements still only look like a higher-res PS3 games.

 

[nial]

It would be nice to get some new video games from SIE.

Does Astrobot count?

Of course. I think it’d be prudent to get some more though.

After that shitshow of a Ghost of Yotei thread, I'm not sure if people here actually want that.

 

[March Climber]

After that shitshow of a Ghost of Yotei thread, I'm not sure if people here actually want that.

Yea, but people here rant about almost everything, so it's important to listen to the ones who actually play games.

I think that poster knows Sony has games coming in 2025 but they're just feeling impatient. It's why I didn't respond and let it be. Next year will speak for itself in terms of content.

 

[usp84]

Nice, i haven't played the older games in 10+ years

 

[fart town usa]

These games would translate well to VR, the camera angle specifically. Sony won't do it but PCVR might mod it in.

Some of the coolest VR games are 3rd person action/platformers.

 

[Saturn Dragon]

Thinking about what i'd like from this would be either:

a) taking the work Bluepoint and Ready at Dawn already did on the two HD collections and release it in native 4K with pristine image quality. Then couple that with the GOWIII remaster in 4K along with a new 4K port of Ascension. I think minimal work would be needed for this (certainly less than Nixxes are putting into the Horizon remaster). Just don't fuck with the source material for the mythical modern audiences.

or

b) something more comprehensive akin to the Halo Anniversary games, maybe bringing the games with PS2 and PSP roots up to a similar standard to GOWIII. I think going further than that would be too much work for a collection like this, and sort of unnecessary since GOWIII still looks fantastic to this day. I think there would be a nice series consistency with that approach and people would be pretty satisfied with that - they already are with things like the Tomb Raider remasters, which despite remastering improvements still only look like a higher-res PS3 games.

I would be very happy if they can make the Ps2 and Psp games look like GoW3 and Ascension.
Crossing fingers.

 

[ElFenomeno]

The more I think about it, the less I believe these will come out. They would have to be heavily censored and altered. The backlash would be huge.
And cuck Sony nowadays wouldn't do a faithful remaster.

 

[Saturn Dragon]

Idk if it’s because i played it before god of war 3 but i found it to be very good? also that last boss pushes the ps3 to it’s absolute limit.

I played it after GoW 3 back in the day and loved it.
Story was non sense and I barely remember anything, but gameplay wise it was GOOD and pure fun. Very good puzzles and awesome battles with new weapons and some remarkable bosses

I remember saying "this looks like Ps6 graphics or something" when the final boss appeared.

 

[vodka-bull]

Yes, we needed the second remaster of GoW3!

 

[Bernardougf]

The modern God of War games are about maturity.

When we get older, we mature, our focus shifts to family. That storyline has resonated with tens of millions of players.

There are players, however, who are not interested in maturity. It's why the first thing you hear is how they want the sex mini-games to stay in the game...

Do you know who needs sex mini-games in a video game? People who aren't getting sex in real life.

People hated Kratos because he became a mature father figure, a character that they can no longer relate to.

This has to be one of the most inaccurate condescending high horse post I ever saw in neogaf.. just pure speculative nonsense based in nothing but cheap strawman psychology out of your ass disregarding valid different opinions.

congratulations, really.

 

[SABRE220]

So wait is this a remake scenario like demons souls remake with evolved gameplay? like re2 remake/re4 remake? or plain old ps2/3 games just upping resolution to 4k?

 

[Saturn Dragon]

So wait is this a remake scenario like demons souls remake with evolved gameplay? like re2 remake/re4 remake? or plain old ps2/3 games just upping resolution to 4k?

Nobody knows yet.

I'm betting they will just go for a heavy upgraded graphics remaster on the Ps2 and Psp games (new textures, 1080p to 4k, 60fps) to make them look like GoW 3.

 

[Saturn Dragon]

This has to be one of the most inaccurate condescending high horse post I ever saw in neogaf.. just pure speculative nonsense based in nothing but cheap strawman psychology out of your ass disregarding valid different opinions.

congratulations, really.

True. I don't know whats the problem with enjoying some over the top macho vibes Ps2 era game. (That well, most of the action games back then were kinda like that in one way or another)

And it's funny because I loved what they did with GoW 2018 in almost every aspect, storyline was great, interesting new mythology and enemies, new gameplay style, while maintaining some classic elements of the original games. It felt like a really mature game. Seriously. I kinda teared up in the ending. Got all emotional really.

That said. After some weeks passed, talking to a friend that recently had finished the game too, we talked about it and, we both felt like the new GoW 2018 missed something.

Yeah, high quality production, top voice acting, superb next gen graphics, lots of action, exploration, new mechanics, whatever,... In the end it wasn't that much fun to be honest. Like it was fun but NOT THAT MUCH.

Thing is, GoW 3 was too much. Like being in cocaine (and I never tried drugs but I read about them)
Everything is fun, you feel like on top of the world and that your heart is going to explode because you just can't take that much adrenaline, and it goes higher and higher.

Each boss is bigger, meaner and the spectacle seems to have no end.
Oh and there are sex mini games and nipples

You tell me why is this bad.

Ps: I really teared up with GoW 2018 ending.

 

[ArtHands]

Hopefully they will be sold separately too alongside bundle

 

[Bernardougf]

True. I don't know whats the problem with enjoying some over the top macho vibes Ps2 era game. (That well, most of the action games back then were kinda like that in one way or another)

And it's funny because I loved what they did with GoW 2018 in almost every aspect, storyline was great, interesting new mythology and enemies, new gameplay style, while maintaining some classic elements of the original games. It felt like a really mature game. Seriously. I kinda teared up in the ending. Got all emotional really.

That said. After some weeks passed, talking to a friend that recently had finished the game too, we talked about it and, we both felt like the new GoW 2018 missed something.

Yeah, high quality production, top voice acting, superb next gen graphics, lots of action, exploration, new mechanics, whatever,... In the end it wasn't that much fun to be honest. Like it was fun but NOT THAT MUCH.

Thing is, GoW 3 was too much. Like being in cocaine (and I never tried drugs but I read about them)
Everything is fun, you feel like on top of the world and that your heart is going to explode because you just can't take that much adrenaline, and it goes higher and higher.

Each boss is bigger, meaner and the spectacle seems to have no end.
Oh and there are sex mini games and nipples

You tell me why is this bad.

Ps: I really teared up with GoW 2018 ending.

Its just absurd trying to accommodate the people that dislike your favorite game in some ass psychology inferior group, even more when trying to discuss higher maturity of all things in a fucking game board. The mental places that sick fanboys have to go to defend their loved games are just bizarre.

 

[Kerotan]

Alhamdulidudily!

It's important these aren't lost on PS3/PSP.

Gives me hope they'll considering killzone, motorstorm and resistance remasters.

 

[ArtHands]

Hope the PC release includes ultrawide display and other PC exclusive features

 

[Cakeboxer]

The modern God of War games are about maturity.

When we get older, we mature, our focus shifts to family. That storyline has resonated with tens of millions of players.

There are players, however, who are not interested in maturity. It's why the first thing you hear is how they want the sex mini-games to stay in the game...

Do you know who needs sex mini-games in a video game? People who aren't getting sex in real life.

People hated Kratos because he became a mature father figure, a character that they can no longer relate to.

Do you really believe Sony made the game to please players who grew up with the old God of Wars? The Last of Us was a huge success so most of their AAA games go in that direction, GOW even has that sidekick kid. And that's it.
Some old fans love it? Fine for Sony. Some old fans hate it? Also fine for Sony. They want to reach as many people as possible and those high budget, high end graphics, polished, story and character heavy cinematic cookie cutter games are the way to go.

People didn't hate the new GOW because Kraots became a dad. People hated the new God of War, because Sony shifted the main focus from ultra brutal and frivolous nonstop action buttonmashing to slow paced story telling and character developement.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Do you really believe Sony made the game to please players who grew up with the old God of Wars? The Last of Us was a huge success so most of their AAA games go in that direction, GOW even has that sidekick kid. And that's it.
Some old fans love it? Fine for Sony. Some old fans hate it? Also fine for Sony. They want to reach as many people as possible and those high budget, high end graphics, polished, story and character heavy cinematic cookie cutter games are the way to go.

People didn't hate the new GOW because Kraots became a dad. People hated the new God of War, because Sony shifted the main focus from ultra brutal and frivolous nonstop action buttonmashing to slow paced story telling and character developement.

I like how you ignore people complaining about him being a dad, so it wasn't that.

 

[Cakeboxer]

I like how you ignore people complaining about him being a dad, so it wasn't that.

I mainly see people comlain about the gameplay changes and that his kid is super annoying. Not the fact that he is a dad.

 

[TGO]

Damn, that is a massive collection.


If they got a steelbook, I might day 1 that THANG!

Horizon Forbidden West was the last Steelbook they did, with the exception of the discless Collectors Editions
I'd expect the latter.

 

[sachos]

I really hope this is true. That would be such a huge collection of games. Weird snark in these comments.

 

[Killer8]

I really hope this is true. That would be such a huge collection of games. Weird snark in these comments.

I don't really understand the big pushback against remasters. These studios have hundreds of people who often need something to do while projects ramp up and down.

We aren't getting new games as often because they simply take much longer to make nowadays. There is a conspiracy that remasters are stopping us from getting new games which just isn't true. They are plugging the gap to keep our impatient asses occupied.

 

[Shakka43]

I'm always up to replay the Greek mythology again. Norse was good but it lacks the carnage of young Kratos.

 

[The Pleasure]

We finally get to see real Kratos again not the Al Bundy version. Im in..

 

[sachos]

I don't really understand the big pushback against remasters. These studios have hundreds of people who often need something to do while projects ramp up and down.

We aren't getting new games as often because they simply take much longer to make nowadays. There is a conspiracy that remasters are stopping us from getting new games which just isn't true. They are plugging the gap to keep our impatient asses occupied.

I understand the complaint when we get Remasters of games that were already available to begin with. But this huge collection would be AWESOME since a lot of these games are not available on modern systems or PC outside of emulation. It is trully needed. Its what people keep asking Sony to do with all those games that are stranded on the PS3, you would think people would be happier lol.