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[Mibu no ookami]

Can anyone tell me why people don't like modern kratos? He is still portrayed as the biggest badass around, with everyone, especially his enemies, recognising how scary he can be. He spends the entirety struggling to control his anger( which he also tried to do so in the Greek games). How is he woke? Besides angrboda being black( who cares, it's not even mentioned), there isn't anything woke about the game. And he actually undergoes quite a lot of good character development in Valhalla,

Spoiler: Mild endings spoilers

not to mention the happy ending he got in Ragnarok

The modern God of War games are about maturity.

When we get older, we mature, our focus shifts to family. That storyline has resonated with tens of millions of players.

There are players, however, who are not interested in maturity. It's why the first thing you hear is how they want the sex mini-games to stay in the game...

Do you know who needs sex mini-games in a video game? People who aren't getting sex in real life.

People hated Kratos because he became a mature father figure, a character that they can no longer relate to.

 

[Stu_Hart]

I am looking forward to it, but I don't miss god of war ascension, the weakest game in the series.

 

[The Stig]

To those saying the sex minigames will be removed, it's very unlikely. You don't actually SEE Kratos do anything in the originals. It's all implied. Considering the violence in the games it will almost certainly have an AO rating anyway.

I swear some of you just want to see "woke" cancel culture everywhere and just NEED to complain about it.

 

[The Stig]

The modern God of War games are about maturity.

When we get older, we mature, our focus shifts to family. That storyline has resonated with tens of millions of players.

There are players, however, who are not interested in maturity. It's why the first thing you hear is how they want the sex mini-games to stay in the game...

Do you know who needs sex mini-games in a video game? People who aren't getting sex in real life.

People hated Kratos because he became a mature father figure, a character that they can no longer relate to.

This is a great post.

I was a little miffed when they changed Kratos' voice (he always sounded like the most pissed off Klingon EVER) but it worked so well and angry Klingon Kratos wouldn't have made sense.

The sex mini-games probably won't be removed (come on, do you think Sony took these games to sweet baby inc. for a consultation?, also imagine all the harpy boobs that would need censoring, those black bars flying around would look ridiculous) and quite frankly would they really be missed ANYWAY? how many are there? 1 very early on in GoW 1 on the boat and then 1 in GoW 3 with Aphrodite. If there are others I've forgotten and I'm a big fan of the series. I own all of them physically.

 

[GymWolf]

Could not care less for older gows tbh.

Remaster the infamous instead you fuckers.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

This is a great post.

I was a little miffed when they changed Kratos' voice (he always sounded like the most pissed off Klingon EVER) but it worked so well and angry Klingon Kratos wouldn't have made sense.

The sex mini-games probably won't be removed (come on, do you think Sony took these games to sweet baby inc. for a consultation?, also imagine all the harpy boobs that would need censoring, those black bars flying around would look ridiculous) and quite frankly would they really be missed ANYWAY? how many are there? 1 very early on in GoW 1 on the boat and then 1 in GoW 3 with Aphrodite. If there are others I've forgotten and I'm a big fan of the series. I own all of them physically.

I think the sex-mini games will be removed, but not because it's woke, but because it's bad gameplay mechanics. I think most of the QTEs will or should be removed. They did QTEs because they couldn't manage to make this work with gameplay.

I just think the focus on this is mistaken.

The bigger problem is how to replicate a lot of the gameplay and design without being able to jump or do they add in the ability to jump with the engine and what does that look like.

I think people have really forgotten how aged those games are. You'd have to do a lot of work to make them viable today, including the cutscenes.

You have a huge opportunity to blend things here.

 

[mitch1971]

Damn I need to catch up on my remasters. Only played GOW1 remaster, GOW2 remaster, PSP remasters. I better get GOW3 remaster played before the new remasters release.

 

[The Stig]

I think the sex-mini games will be removed, but not because it's woke, but because it's bad gameplay mechanics. I think most of the QTEs will or should be removed. They did QTEs because they couldn't manage to make this work with gameplay.

I just think the focus on this is mistaken.

The bigger problem is how to replicate a lot of the gameplay and design without being able to jump or do they add in the ability to jump with the engine and what does that look like.

I think people have really forgotten how aged those games are. You'd have to do a lot of work to make them viable today, including the cutscenes.

You have a huge opportunity to blend things here.

I respectfully disagree. QTEs are a large part of the old games. I'm quite sure they will remain. Hell, that's how you kill a shit-ton of the stronger enemies and finish off a lot of bosses.

Also you were able to (double) jump and do air combos since the very first game. How long has it been since you played them?

I just fired up the collection on PS3 to make sure I wasn't going senile.

This is a remaster not a remake. I'm willing to bet QTEs will remain as well as the sex games. Like I posted earlier if they removed the sex mini-games (which again, you really see very little) they'd probably need to remove all boobs to get a lower age rating anyway (that would really be the only reason for the censorship) and that would require all those flying harpys to be censored which would just look stupid.

I could be wrong but I really hope not.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I respectfully disagree. QTEs are a large part of the old games. I'm quite sure they will remain. Hell, that's how you kill a shit-ton of the stronger enemies and finish off a lot of bosses.

Also you were able to (double) jump and do air combos since the very first game. How long has it been since you played them?

I just fired up the collection on PS3 to make sure I wasn't going senile.

This is a remaster not a remake. I'm willing to bet QTEs will remain as well as the sex games. Like I posted earlier if they removed the sex mini-games (which again, you really see very little) they'd probably need to remove all boobs to get a lower age rating anyway (that would really be the only reason for the censorship) and that would require all those flying harpys to be censored which would just look stupid.

I could be wrong but I really hope not.

A man broke his leg and wore crutches. A year later after his leg healed, he didn't wear crutches on the anniversary of breaking his leg to reminiscence.

QTEs are in lieu of gameplay. Just design the gameplay.

I replayed some of god of war 1 a couple years ago but found it largely unplayable.

It's not a remaster, it's a rumor. What it actually is we have no idea.

God of War 2018 is rated Mature 17+ and Ragnarok is rated Mature 18+ The exact same rating as Cyberpunk 2077 and The Witcher 3.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

No thank you, Sony. You aren't able to do these games justice anymore. You will not be able to show Kratos as a power hungry lunatic on a path of revenge mercilessly killing women.

 

[xrnzaaas]

I'll definitely play them since my Internet connection isn't good enough to ensure good streaming quality. I'll wait for the pricing (80 euros? nope) and to make sure there wasn't any censorship to protect the "modern audiences".

 

[jataple]

Since PS Store is getting PSP games and PS2 games with the PS Plus Premium classics program, is pretty clear they can release in any moment they want the psp games god of war chain of olympus and ghost of sparta and ps2 games god of war 1 and god of war 2, all of them with save states, rewind, and new trohpies, at 10 dollars each as any other classic game launched on the store or free with ps premium.

But they could choose to not do that for this exact reason, they can sell millions of those games in a remastered pack at maybe full price or around full price between 40$ to 70$ and people will still buy it because is god of war and everyone knows those games are very good and those games have been stuck on old consoles, so there is literally people wanting to buy those games in new hardware. so in my opinion is clear they dont want to launch those games as simple classics as any other classics.

the 20th anniversary of god of war is next gear, even if I dont believe the source of this rumor I think it could be possible they are doing a remaster of some sort of those games.

The Only one I dont see possible to be in the collection is god of war asension, as there is no remaster of that game of any sort, is only on PS3, while god of war 3 already has a ps4 version, and the old god of war games (psp and ps2) can already be ported easily with the new PS Store emulator, unless they port asension directly from ps3 to ps5, but I can see this mega collection happening some day for sure.

 

[deriks]

Kratos will get banged by some dude in the mini game.

Well, rumor is that greeks were like "whatever hole, I'll put my pole"

 

[Schmendrick]

The modern God of War games are about maturity.

When we get older, we mature, our focus shifts to family. That storyline has resonated with tens of millions of players.

There are players, however, who are not interested in maturity. It's why the first thing you hear is how they want the sex mini-games to stay in the game...

Do you know who needs sex mini-games in a video game? People who aren't getting sex in real life.

People hated Kratos because he became a mature father figure, a character that they can no longer relate to.

If you`d turn a matchbox arcade racer into an utterly serious simulation you`d get the same reaction, not because the gamers aren`t "mature enough" but because they are not getting what the IP stood for anymore.
The old GOW was arcady stupid fun, the new one is a soap opera with "real problems" inserted into the fantasy world. Ofc you get flak when you basically change genres.....

Do you know who needs sex mini-games in a video game? People who aren't getting sex in real life.

Or people who just found them hilarious........because it really fit into the ridiculous over-the-top style of the games. Get down from your high horse....

 

[Mibu no ookami]

If you`d turn a matchbox arcade racer into an utterly serious simulation you`d get the same reaction, not because the gamers aren`t "mature enough" but because they are not getting what the IP stood for anymore.
The old GOW was arcady stupid fun, the new one is a soap opera with "real problems" inserted into the fantasy world. Ofc you get flak when you basically change genres.....

God of War 2018 outsold the entire franchise combined...

Or people who just found them hilarious........because it really fit into the ridiculous over-the-top style of the games. Get down from your high horse....

Who obsessives over something they found funny 20 years ago?

 

[U n i o n 0015]

Do you know who needs sex mini-games in a video game? People who aren't getting sex in real life.

Look out, fun police in the thread!

 

[Punished Miku]

If it's indeed all six games, what price you guys think it will be?

$60 would seem a too good bargain.

Volume 1
Volume 2

 

[Schmendrick]

God of War 2018 outsold the entire franchise combined...

What kind of retarded argument is that? This isn`t a Sony board meeting...

Who obsessives over something they found funny 20 years ago?

Who decides where to draw the line? If someone wants to sell me a remaster I´m not expecting a reimagination but a replication with technological updates.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

What kind of retarded argument is that? This isn`t a Sony board meeting...

Your premise was that people would be upset that this isn't what God of War stood for. What God of War stands for has changed.

Who decides where to draw the line? If someone wants to sell me a remaster I´m not expecting a reimagination but a replication with technological updates.

I don't completely disagree with you, but that's where you leave it to the market place to decide.

RE2 Remake was not a replication with technological updates. That's more like what you have with REmake. The market loved what they did with RE2 Remake.

Look at FF7 Remake... I love FF7 and I bought the remake, I did not buy rebirth. I did not like the reimagination. I used my wallet to convey that.

 

[Schmendrick]

Your premise was that people would be upset that this isn't what God of War stood for. What God of War stands for has changed.

And your "sales" argument is still nonsense from a customer standpoint. Sony`s new direction for the IP is fine for them, attracted a new big customer base, but that doesn`t mean that fans of the old games have to like it.

I don't completely disagree with you, but that's where you leave it to the market place to decide.

RE2 Remake was not a replication with technological updates. That's more like what you have with REmake. The market loved what they did with RE2 Remake.

Look at FF7 Remake... I love FF7 and I bought the remake, I did not buy rebirth. I did not like the reimagination. I used my wallet to convey that.

Remake != Remaster.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

And your "sales" argument is still nonsense from a customer standpoint. Sony`s new direction for the IP is fine for them, attracted a new big customer base, but that doesn`t mean that fans of the old games have to like it.

Remake != Remaster.

A lot of people use remaster and remake interchangeably.

I think the industry should define what this is pretty officially.

That being said, this is still a rumor and we don't know what it is.

If it is just a remastered version of the originals, I agree they should leave it largely intact.

 

[Schmendrick]

A lot of people use remaster and remake interchangeably.

That would be people who do not understand the technological implications.

I think the industry should define what this is pretty officially.

Remaster - graphical update
Remake - New game with a blueprint.

That has always been the definition.

 

[ComputerBlue]

If finished, why wait? What big first party release does Sony have for the holiday season?

 

[Shake Your Rump]

Will they leave the secret phone number intact?

It still works, btw. When I played through the PS2 games last year, I called it myself.

 

[Kupfer]

Will they leave the secret phone number intact?

It still works, btw. When I played through the PS2 games last year, I called it myself.

Tell me more plz ?!

 

[Mibu no ookami]

That would be people who do not understand the technological implications.

Remaster - graphical update
Remake - New game with a blueprint.

That has always been the definition.

In your mind maybe.

Is TLOU P1 a remake or a remaster? Is Until Dawn a remake or a remaster?

 

[Schmendrick]

In your mind maybe.

Is TLOU P1 a remake or a remaster? Is Until Dawn a remake or a remaster?

Both are using new engines and have largely been redeveloped. Remakes, just as officially stated.
Not really hard to understand.

 

[Gaiff]

In your mind maybe.

Is TLOU P1 a remake or a remaster? Is Until Dawn a remake or a remaster?

Both are remakes. Until Dawn doesn't even use the same engine, so it cannot be a remaster.

I think the differences are very obvious.

Remaster = The same game with touch-ups to bring it up to speed with today's standards. Increased texture quality, higher frame rate support, edited FMVs for higher quality, etc, but by and large, the character models and almost everything remain the same. It's just going through the game again and making it shine.

Remake = Completely redoing the game. New engine (or heavily upgraded), most often completely new assets, new models, etc.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Both are using new engines and have largely been redeveloped. Remakes....
Not really hard to understand.

And yet they play almost identically to the originals with upgraded visuals.

Is a movie a remake if it is a scene for scene shot for shot remake? What if it isn't?

Is The departed a remake of Infernal Affairs?

Is Fistful of dollars are make of Yojimbo?

At what point do the differences make it a remake rather than a remaster?

New textures is a remaster but a new engine but the same mocap and gameplay is a remake?

Is Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered a remake or a remaster? They're not just using the same engine either they're using a Frankenstein engine.

What you don't seem to understand is these are all marketing words without actual definitions or standards.

 

[Schmendrick]

What you don't seem to understand is these are all marketing words without actual definitions or standards.

Bullshit. For games, unlike movies, there is a clear technological difference.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Will they leave the secret phone number intact?

It still works, btw. When I played through the PS2 games last year, I called it myself.

Do tell

 

[delfrickintree]

And yet they play almost identically to the originals with upgraded visuals.

Is a movie a remake if it is a scene for scene shot for shot remake? What if it isn't?

Is The departed a remake of Infernal Affairs?

Is Fistful of dollars are make of Yojimbo?

At what point do the differences make it a remake rather than a remaster?

New textures is a remaster but a new engine but the same mocap and gameplay is a remake?

Is Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered a remake or a remaster? They're not just using the same engine either they're using a Frankenstein engine.

What you don't seem to understand is these are all marketing words without actual definitions or standards.

You have been a disaster for this thread. Time to call it a day. Maybe try reflecting on your actions and try again tomorrow.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Bullshit. For games, unlike movies, there is a clear technological difference.

So what is Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered?

Is it a remaster or a remake? The title suggests a remaster, but the work done is probably no different than the work done on TLOU P1 Remake.

So again... what is it?

 

[sainraja]

I think the sex-mini games will be removed, but not because it's woke, but because it's bad gameplay mechanics. I think most of the QTEs will or should be removed. They did QTEs because they couldn't manage to make this work with gameplay.

I just think the focus on this is mistaken.

The bigger problem is how to replicate a lot of the gameplay and design without being able to jump or do they add in the ability to jump with the engine and what does that look like.

I think people have really forgotten how aged those games are. You'd have to do a lot of work to make them viable today, including the cutscenes.

You have a huge opportunity to blend things here.

I don't think they are remaking the games... I thought it was just going to be the old versions remastered.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I don't think they are remaking the games... I thought it was just going to be the old versions remastered.

We'll see. If it is a remaster, I agree with most of you, if it is a remake, I think you remove stuff that doesn't age well.

I think remastering a franchise of this magnitude rather than doing a remake would be one of the biggest fails in gaming history.

 

[Schmendrick]

So what is Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered?

Is it a remaster or a remake? The title suggests a remaster, but the work done is probably no different than the work done on TLOU P1 Remake.

So again... what is it?

could you stop playing stupid?

 

[sainraja]

And yet they play almost identically to the originals with upgraded visuals.

Is a movie a remake if it is a scene for scene shot for shot remake? What if it isn't?

Is The departed a remake of Infernal Affairs?

Is Fistful of dollars are make of Yojimbo?

At what point do the differences make it a remake rather than a remaster?

New textures is a remaster but a new engine but the same mocap and gameplay is a remake?

Is Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered a remake or a remaster? They're not just using the same engine either they're using a Frankenstein engine.

What you don't seem to understand is these are all marketing words without actual definitions or standards.

Actual definitions or not, people are already using them as being pointed out. So, if they weren't officially defined, they have now been defined by gamers.

 

[thismeinteil]

Day 1. Unless there is censorship, then Day Never.

 

[Gaiff]

So what is Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered?

Is it a remaster or a remake? The title suggests a remaster, but the work done is probably no different than the work done on TLOU P1 Remake.

So again... what is it?

A remaster. HZD isn’t that old to begin with and HFW largely uses the same assets but heavily upgraded. It’s nowhere near the work of TLOU vs Part I.

 

[sainraja]

We'll see. If it is a remaster, I agree with most of you, if it is a remake, I think you remove stuff that doesn't age well.

I think remastering a franchise of this magnitude rather than doing a remake would be one of the biggest fails in gaming history.

I hope it is a remake but given they are targeting 2025 for all the greek God of War games I am doubtful.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Actual definitions or not, people are already using them as being pointed out. So, if they weren't officially defined, they have now been defined by gamers.

Some gamers will call games like TLOU1 a remaster. There is not consensus on this.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

could you stop playing stupid?

You literally can't answer a simple question and you think someone else is stupid?

Is Horizon a remaster or a remake and why? You know as soon as you answer your entire argument is going to fall apart on one end or the other.

If Horizon is a remaster as dubbed by the title, then what separates TLOUP1 which was deemed a remake?

 

[sainraja]

Some gamers will call games like TLOU1 a remaster. There is not consensus on this.

Well, in the case of TLOU1. There is a remastered version and a remake version.

So, if people are saying remastered, they are likely referring to this version:

EDIT

The remake is this:

Here is a screenshot of a comparison between original, remastered and remake.

 

[delfrickintree]

IS A HOTDOG A SANDWICH?

Stop letting him derail the thread

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

As far as I recall, there isn't an officially accepted defination of remasters vs remakes. It is similar to how third party vs first party seem clear in forum discussions but companies argue over its meanings. For sony, Helldivers 2 would be a first party game but for forum users it's second party, a term that Sony( as far as I remember) doesn't recognise. At the end it's semantics.

Plus since so many games are being done, I believe it's a remaster rather than a remake. Although I wonder if they will utilise assets from Valhalla. Also, I wonder if it is a sign of things to come. Maybe more ports of old franchises ( for example, infamous collection)?

 

[aerts1js]

I am looking forward to it, but I don't miss god of war ascension, the weakest game in the series.

Idk if it’s because i played it before god of war 3 but i found it to be very good? also that last boss pushes the ps3 to it’s absolute limit.

 

[evanft]

I hope there's a PC version.

This collection should do absolute number if it's actually done well.

 

[ThisIsMyDog]

Gonna play this on PC, "greek saga" is much better than nordic one.

 

[Schmendrick]

You literally can't answer a simple question and you think someone else is stupid?

Is Horizon a remaster or a remake and why? You know as soon as you answer your entire argument is going to fall apart on one end or the other.

If Horizon is a remaster as dubbed by the title, then what separates TLOUP1 which was deemed a remake?

If you can't differentiate between a softwareupdate and a reimplementation it simply doesn't matter what I tell you. You lack the basic technological know how to understand and will simply go on with your " but this game and this game" which are all very obviously and easily categorized....
You don't even realize that I've already answered your question.... So has Gaiff btw.
And in your case yes, I think you are at least uneducated concerning how software works or else this wouldn't even be a discussion.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

If you can't differentiate between a softwareupdate and a reimplementation it simply doesn't matter what I tell you. You lack the basic technological know how to understand and will simply go on with your " but this game and this game" which are all very obviously and easily categorized....
You don't even realize that I've already answered your question.... So has Gaiff btw.
And in your case yes, I think you are uneducated concerning how software works. And since you don't even realize how little you know but try to go on anyways you're probably stupid, too.

All of that you still can't answer the question.