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Grand Theft Auto V |OT2| <Title available for purchase>

MormaPope

Banned
Anyone who has played a half decent cover shooter can tell just how bad GTA V is.

Mindjack has better shooting and cover mechanics than GTA V and i'm not even joking

Please don't pull out the "Well if you played this you would definitely think" card. It never is applicable because its an argument or assertion that's impossible to prove. Gears of War is the cover based shooter and it bores me to tears due to how easy and simple the combat is. I don't even know which games qualify as a cover shooter anymore due to every third person game with guns having a cover system.

If these controls were put into any other open world game with this much shooting, there would be complaints out the ass. The rest of the game is so improved over GTAIV that combat is being forgiven. This would be comparable to Sleeping Dogs controlling like an Elder Scrolls game except the fights were still designed with Batman counters and freeflowing movement in mind. These shootouts are deigned for quick, precise aiming and movement (or lock-on, unfortunately), but we're still controlling tanks. Well, they're more like APCs now, but my point remains.

Then try to understand how to control your APC then. Max Payne 3 and GTA V feel similar, the main differences being bullet time being an insanely powerful tool in combat and a reticule being on the screen at all times. Max also could roll and dive at any time as well.

Max Payne 3 without bullet time is pretty close to GTA V, I'm sure if someone tried to play Max Payne 3 without bullet time the game would be much more challenging.
 

MormaPope

Banned
If you're not in cover you die VERY quickly.

If you're behind thick enough cover its more useful to be a few feet back and not in cover, wait for enemies to show enough of themselves and blast them. I've also done a lot of missions strafing from one side to the other while running&gunning along with rolling. Cover is essential when you're extremely outmanned, that is true.
 
Damn, you can only have 6 helmets total on screen. Had a nice pile goin' too! It would be cool to a have mound of helmets in the middle of the road. Woulda loved to smash a car into that...
 
That's true. Canadians don't fuck around.

Question: How do you earn juice for your special ability? Is it on a cooldown? What replenishes it?

Franklin: Driving on the wrong side of the road, narrowly avoiding cars, etc. Very easy
Michael: Getting headshots, being fired at
Trevor: Not sure, just killing people I guess?
 

c3t

Banned
Free aim in this game is weird. I completed the game using only free aim, and I all can say is what the hell made them deter from Max Payne style controls? That game was perfection in regards to gun play from Rockstar. Being able to adjust acceleration was awesome.

Honestly, when the game is running at 30 FPS, free aim is just fine, but once you take a dip with frame rate, whether it be minute or not, then you experience some problems.My main problem with free aim is the acceleration. It becomes boggled once the frame rate takes a dip. You especially notice this once you load up a flashlight on your gun.

Other than that, shootouts are still fun. I've spent an hour plus in free roam with 5 stars according to the stats screen.

I fell in love in this game when I was in shootout with the police, and they began dragging their dead/wounded away from the scene. Has anyone else seen that? Crazy.
 

Sorian

Banned
Franklin: Driving on the wrong side of the road, narrowly avoiding cars, etc. Very easy
Michael: Getting headshots, being fired at
Trevor: Not sure, just killing people I guess?

This, trevor is the easiest to fill in a fire fight because everything replenishes it, kills, being shot at, restoring health.....
 

Moze

Banned
Please don't pull out the "Well if you played this you would definitely think" card. It never is applicable because its an argument or assertion that's impossible to prove. Gears of War is the cover based shooter and it bores me to tears due to how easy and simple the combat is. I don't even know which games qualify as a cover shooter anymore due to every third person game with guns has a cover system.

We are talking about game mechanics only. I can fully understand how somebody would enjoy GTA V as a whole, but if somebody says they enjoy the combat and cover system in GTA V, i'm going to question whether or not they are familiar with cover shooters and what is expected from them.

Gears can hold a whole game down on its cover and shooting mechanics alone <GTA V cannot even come close to doing that
 

Jrmint

Member
Unless you are playing as Canadian Rage
No kidding. He has the best character skill by far I think.

I find Michael's the most useless. It slows you down too and you can't really see the bullets to dodge. I honestly don't see the point of it.
 
That has to be the next step for Rockstar, which is to improve the way your character moves about in the world. It's still rudimentary from what I've seen.
 

Megasoum

Banned
I love how Michael always dress up when he goes on a mission haha. All those little details about their personality are fucking incredible.
 

Bunta

Fujiwara Tofu Shop
Tried to lift my sub with my cargobob. Didn't turn out well. It latched on but for some reason started causing my heli to turn over, and ended blowing up. :( Attempt 2 coming.
 

MormaPope

Banned
We are talking about game mechanics only. I can fully understand how somebody would enjoy GTA V as a whole, but if somebody says they enjoy the combat and cover system in GTA V, i'm going to question whether or not they are familiar with cover shooters and what is expected from them.

Gears can hold a whole game down on its cover and shooting mechanics only <GTA V cannot even come close to doing that

And that's a incredibly foolish thing to think. So you're saying you "know better" when it comes to combat in games, and someone having a preference means they don't have the same experience you do? Why assume that?

Having played a lot of cover shooters, while also playing a lot of GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption, and Max Payne 3, I enjoy and have fun with the combat in GTA V. I dig GTA V's combat because firefights aren't drawn out, there aren't bullet sponges at all, enemies aren't stupid, every situation with a gun in GTA V amounts to intensity and taking quick action instead of going into a safe haven known as a chest high block.

Clearing a room in GTA V takes seconds, clearing a room in Gears or War or GTA IV can take minutes. That alone makes me enjoy GTA V's combat. For your own accord, here are some cover shooters I played this gen:

Gears of War 1-3
Ghost Recon Advance War Fighter 1, 2, and Future Soldier
Binary Domain
Vanquish (cover isn't really important though)
Rainbow Six Vegas 1&2
Mafia 2
Tomb Raider
 

Tawpgun

Member
Holy shit at the 3rd Heist. My crew member was fuckin Ace.

Got Packie into my crew. He saved the day. Also told us about his LC Bank job. Love it.
 

terrible

Banned
Holy shit at the 3rd Heist. My crew member was fuckin Ace.

Got Packie into my crew. He saved the day. Also told us about his LC Bank job. Love it.

I didn't even know you could get him! That's really awesome. I'm guessing he was one of those random blue dot missions (sorry, don't know the name for it) or something?
 

Reule

Member
Holy shit at the 3rd Heist. My crew member was fuckin Ace.

Got Packie into my crew. He saved the day. Also told us about his LC Bank job. Love it.
About that...

Just checked where you can find him. I think I actually killed him. Feeling pretty stupid now. Wish he'd respawn.
 

Cheddahz

Banned
Currently walking around the desert for five miles...kifflom kiff LOM

You can tie a rubber band on your analog stick so you can only have to keep on pushing A/X! I also suggest you just go to the Sandy Shores Airfield, so you can just run the runway and be done with it fast
 
On the topic of the combat, I think there's a difference in terms of expectations between people who enjoy it and people who don't. I love it as a move towards realism. I think when you're faced with swarming police offers who shoot their whole magazines at you it should not end well unless you're damn good and heavily armored. I like the punishing nature of combat and the way it encourages quick extraction, losing your pursuers and picking off the unlucky few who managed to stay on your tail. Perhaps people have been struggling with framerate, but I think the free aim shooting is solid. I don't agree with the people who wish GTA V had the non-melee mechanics out of Sleeping Dogs.
 

Acorn

Member
You can tie a rubber band on your analog stick so you can only have to keep on pushing A/X! I also suggest you just go to the Sandy Shores Airfield, so you can just run the runway and be done with it fast
I can't find a rubberband anywhere for some reason. But yeah I've been running laps of the runway, first time I tried I somehow
ended up naked on the train tracks
 
Max Payne 3 without bullet time is pretty close to GTA V, I'm sure if someone tried to play Max Payne 3 without bullet time the game would be much more challenging.

Nope nope nope. Max Payne 3 in multiplayer is 10x more fast paced than anything I've seen in GTAV thus far, and that game handles way better with minimal bullet time. GTAV in close quarters is one step removed from GTAIV. It has nothing to do with bullet time. There's very clearly still remnants of GTAIV's movement and cover systems in this game, and that's my issue with combat (aside from the health system). If you can't see that I dunno what else to say.

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On a lighter note, I'm driving through South LS with Trevor and out of NOWHERE I get rammed from behind by some maniac driver with a grudge and my car skids up the train crossing barricade into like 4 flips. After getting out to kill that fool, like 10 Vagos open fire on me at the same moment a random police chase comes flying through the whole thing. Now it's Trevor vs. the Vagos vs. the Police vs. the 2 guys the police were chasing all because some idiot blindsided me.

I hightail the hell out of there and rob a gas station convenient store, just because, before diving in some backyard pool to lose my stars. This game is pretty alright sometimes.

#DayInTheLifeOfTrevor
 

Philia

Member
Some of the stunt jumps in this game are just... ugh.

I still have nightmares of those bike stunt jumps across building roofs... I forgot which GTA that was in but nothing made me rage so hard when I found out you just use a helicopter and fly through the checkpoints instead.
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
I've played this game for like 6 days straight. I think I should take a break and play something else. It's starting to burn into my eyes.
 

Moze

Banned
And that's a incredibly foolish thing to think. So you're saying you "know better" when it comes to combat in games, and someone having a preference means they don't have the same experience you do? Why assume that?

Having played a lot of cover shooters, while also playing a lot of GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption, and Max Payne 3, I enjoy and have fun with the combat in GTA V. I dig GTA V's combat because firefights aren't drawn out, there aren't bullet sponges at all, enemies aren't stupid, every situation with a gun in GTA V amounts to intensity and taking quick action instead of going into a safe haven known as a chest high block.

Clearing a room in GTA V takes seconds, clearing a room in Gears or War or GTA IV can take minutes. That alone makes me enjoy GTA V's combat. For your own accord, here are some cover shooters I played this gen:

Gears of War 1-3
Ghost Recon Advance War Fighter 1, 2, and Future Soldier
Binary Domain
Vanquish (cover isn't really important though)
Rainbow Six Vegas 1&2
Mafia 2
Tomb Raider

Aren't we just talking about the cover system though? You are talking about a few design choices in games, and i fully understand why you would enjoy the realism in GTA V vs the bullet sponges in Gears. GTA chose to take a more realistic approach and for a lot of people that is fine. What isn't fine is the cover system. The cover system in GTA V doesn't exist because Rockstar chose for it to be like that, it exists because Rockstar are an incompetent dev. They had a unlimited budget yet still managed to release a game with a borderline broken cover system

Also, did you not like Vanquish? Top 5 game this gen for me
 

Lima

Member
So now that all my characters have full lung capacity (that shit took a long time man) there is nothing else left to do. I am incredibly sad. It is rare that these special games come along. Now I wait for GTA Online.
 

Vidpixel

Member
I wish the Rockstar Social Club thing wasn't so darn finicky. I've run into several random instances that would have been perfect to capture in a photo, but most have failed to upload.
 

duckroll

Member
I wish the Rockstar Social Club thing wasn't so darn finicky. I've run into several random instances that would have been perfect to capture in a photo, but most have failed to upload.

There's really no excuse for not having an offline photo saving feature which uploads to the Social Club whenever its available. They dropped the ball hard on this one.
 

Sorian

Banned
They dropped the ball hard on this one.

OT but I was just reading through the thread about the guy who had to have his penis amputated because of a viagra overdose and the thread was full of puns. Came in here and this was the first thing I saw. No escape once you start seeing the puns.
 

border

Member
There's really no excuse for not having an offline photo saving feature which uploads to the Social Club whenever its available. They dropped the ball hard on this one.

The whole Social Club thing is awful. I can't believe they just force you to join to get functionalities that would otherwise work offline.

Even more despicable is that Social Club doesn't even work for XBL Silver users.
 
Anyone who has played a half decent cover shooter can tell just how bad GTA V is.

Mindjack has better shooting and cover mechanics than GTA V and i'm not even joking

Anyone who has played a half decent hack and slash can tell me how bad Zelda is.

Devil May Cry has better sword swinging and dodging mechanics than Zelda and i'm not even joking
 
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