You are drawing parallels between Irrational games, a studio/team behind one of the most loved franchises in recent times to Stig's team whose game we never even saw. It's not the same situation at all. Some times you need to trim down for better results..it sucks for those affected for sure but it's nothing unique or uncommon
Guerrilla: GG's new IP won't be at E3 - not ready to show yet
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You are drawing parallels between Irrational games, a studio/team behind one of the most loved franchises in recent times to Stig's team whose game we never even saw. It's not the same situation at all. Some times you need to trim down for better results..it sucks for those affected for sure but it's nothing unique or uncommon
Cornbread78
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Just go back and read the first couple pages, lol. It's all over..
After having lost years of work and millions of dollars. The fact that they lost immense amounts of time and money but will continue on mean that it's almost literally the definition of a "setback", and yet people still get their panties in a twist seeing it categorized as such.
You were comparing it with the situation at Irrational Games which is bollocks.
NullPointer
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Gotta admit that I'd be a little peeved it was ready, considering how long the wait has been for Killzone co-op, which is still not out yet. Just don't think that'd be the right kind of image to project.
TakeTwo actually saw some return on their investment with Bioshock Infinite and got to retain a valuable IP. The Sony Santa Monica thing is almost a complete loss. Which would kind of make it a much worse situation.
The two situations are not 1:1 comparable. My point is more that people aren't afraid to say that there's some troubling and upsetting things going on once you've removed the politics that come into play when talking about a 1st party platform holder's studios.
Are they? My understanding was that they let go 50+ people, including several veterans who shipped God of War 1, 2 and 3, after moving to a new office.
Regardless, I don't see how disbanding an experienced and talented team can be spun into a positive at all. I couldn't care less if they end up getting bigger, it won't be the same studio.
SDCowboy
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BloodMoney
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We get it Border, the sky has fallen in your world.
LegendofDragoonLives
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They didn't lose an entire team. Those situations are similar to Naughty Dog now with the three that left, while we have a Naughty Dog now situation on top of losing Stig, as well as his entire project and the second AAA team. If you guys see 2 + 2 = 7, then I can't help you.
That sounds awful
IncandescentPrecept
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What troubling and upsetting things?
Hardly.
Oh wow! That's good to know.
Orthogonal
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Simple ?
They sunk alot of money with a project that wasn't working, it's not unusual that even veterans were among those who left.
Partly, because they personally wanted to move on after they were working on a failure and the rest had to leave simply because it was a financial failure.
This isn't bound to the game industry, that happens nearly everywhere...
And while we're still at the comparsions with Irrational Games, they made money and still had to leave...
Kenshin001
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With nothing from MM or GG Sony's E3 isn't looking too good at the moment. Hope they have something surprising up their sleeve. If it's true that Project Beast was their ace there are going to be a lot of disappointed movie theatre goers. Pretty sure UC4 will look great but I want to see new IP.
Isn't GG Cambridge handling the SF DLC?
SDCowboy
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Yes, because it's all a conspiracy instead of people simply discussing the potential qualms of Sony's future lineup.
Amentallica
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This thread has been extremely revealing. I now know that I would hate to spend the last day on Earth with a great many of you. If this is the type of panic that occurs over E3, especially since most of it is unnecessary, I cannot even imagine far more important matters.
I don't believe I've said that Sony is in absolutely horrible shape or that the sky is falling or that anyone is doomed. But I'm not so intent on sticking my head in the sand that I can pretend that the disruptions at Sony are just par for the course.
There's a post just a few above your's where Kagari states that Beast was not their ace. Be interesting to see if they have anything to top that, because that's a big ace.
So accurate.
ProfessorMoran
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Wtf is Sony going to show then? Fix this shit GG!
Ok now you're starting to get annoying..let me break this down for you
here's what you initially said
"A whole second AAA team was broken up and millions were lost, on top of losing one of the main creative directors in Stig. I have no idea how on earth they wouldn't be sweating that, on top of losing 1/3 biggest names at Naughty Dog and a few that followed suit. Sony will be fine, but don't try to downplay a few shitty situations for Sony."
see there's two sections to it. Not only do you think several people leaving is equal to 1/3 of the BIGGEST names leaving the team, you don't even remember your own statement just one post after it.
If you want to specifically focus on JUST the SSM situation then you should have done a better job writing your answer..that fault lies with you.
Different studios are structured differently. Until recently ND only had one team. PD only works on one franchise. SSM does many things. They have their own multiple projects and they also have smaller teams helping others.
When cutting down the workforce moving forward the biggest casualty will be those that didn't produce the result. So it's understandable if all the people that were laid off were of that stig project. but at the same time we have no proof this is the case. It could easily include other staff members that were considered redundant to them from other projects too.
So if you want to count 2+2 = tales out of your ass to justify some make belief unique gloom situation then by all means go right ahead Projects gets cancelled all the time. GOW 1 director left, GOW 2 director left (he has come back), GOW 3 (stig) has left and GOW:A director has left SSM in the recent history...and if history has taught you anything, they have moved on without much of an issue whatsoever.
ElzarTheBam
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I enjoy these threads for the popcorn value.
But then at some point the stupidity takes over.
Night Angel
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"Now that Project Beast had leaked, I'm no longer excited for it and it's no longer a megaton."
Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
Uncharted PS4.
I'm still very excited for the game, but it being leaked does remove the surprise from it being announced.
How? What difference does it make if it was announced today or next week? You still haven't played the game.
Game announcements > actual games
They're "rebooting" the studio. New people, new team, new heads, fresh blood.
Deal with it. Their unannounced game wasn't good enough and got canceled.
Therefore, they thought fresh blood/a change is needed.
Nothnig positive about it if people are losing their jobs.
There are enough devs out there that are "talented", too. You know?
"Not the same studio"? Well, no problem. Their last game wasn't good and got canceled.
People left Naughty Dog almost every day during the pre-U1 time, according to Naughty Dog. Give it up already. You're wrong.
Exactly
Orthogonal
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The surprise was just time-shifted. The megaton still happened, we have 2 monster threads to support that. E3 will just be the nuclear winter.
Kenshin001
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So someone says it was, someone else says no. TLG would do it. If that was revealed I think some people would start crying. No MM game, no GG game and of course no SSM game still make a less anticipated Sony conference though.
While the fact that Sony is having awesome sales numbers is good for them and the industry, I fear that they may become a little arrogant cause of that, like they don't need to show more games since they have the better console for playing third party titles.
It's not a case of being "doomed" or "ps4 has no games" but all these delays and whatnot are a little sad. They already have Project Beast, so it's all good for E3, and its not like I don't have anything else to play (will get Watch Dogs and Last of Us Remastered soon), but it seems everyone is delaying their games. Sony can't get to complacent, given the fact that the X1 is having a price cut and they're serious about turning the tables. I'm against showing a trailer now and release a game 2-3 years later, but there's gotta be a middle ground. Don't tease us with things you aren't planning to show/release anytime soon, it just dulls the impact.
I only have a ps4 as of now, and apart from Beast and MGS I'm not exactly excited about this year's Sony E3. Hope they have something up their sleeve, cause AC and BF:hardline is not gonna cut it. Hope I'm wrong though.
It's not a case of being "doomed" or "ps4 has no games" but all these delays and whatnot are a little sad. They already have Project Beast, so it's all good for E3, and its not like I don't have anything else to play (will get Watch Dogs and Last of Us Remastered soon), but it seems everyone is delaying their games. Sony can't get to complacent, given the fact that the X1 is having a price cut and they're serious about turning the tables. I'm against showing a trailer now and release a game 2-3 years later, but there's gotta be a middle ground. Don't tease us with things you aren't planning to show/release anytime soon, it just dulls the impact.
I only have a ps4 as of now, and apart from Beast and MGS I'm not exactly excited about this year's Sony E3. Hope they have something up their sleeve, cause AC and BF:hardline is not gonna cut it. Hope I'm wrong though.
I don't think Project Beast will be the only big reveal. It's the 20th anniversary of PlayStation, 30th anniversary of Naughty Dog, they got the theater E3 event, 5 new trademarks, and we don't know what many of their 1st party and partners are doing. I can't see them having a weak E3 especially when they didn't have a February event like last year.
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I feel like people didn't see this or just flat out ignored it to scream doom because MM or GG might not reveal their new game at E3. This should give us an idea of what we may see. Of course, this doesn't include any new joint-projects with other studios. You can't predict that.
UnluckyKate
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add:
- 10 min AC Unity demo
- 10 min Destiny vehicular combat demo
- Sony Santa Monica new God of War
New Sony Computer Entertainment trademarks:
Enwinded
Bloodborne
KILL STRAIN
Guns Up
Pixel Opus
How? Um, it being leaked removes the surprise aspect. It's like telling a child what they're getting for Christmas; they'll still be excited, but they won't be surprised at all.
Project Beast will still be a great reveal regardless of it being leaked . But the difference being that since it was leaked beforehand, we know it'll be at Sony's Conference ahead of time and we can speculate what their other announcements will be.
IncandescentPrecept
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If they were getting complacent, they would just have released the game in whatever state they are. They, however, gave the devs more time to polish the games.
NullPointer
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I don't know who. I just know seven months.
jonnyp
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Night Angel
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No, dude. Arrogant Sony allows devs to complete their games. Arrogant Sony doesn't rush incomplete/unfinished products to market. Arrogant Sony unbundles a peripheral that has little gaming application. Arrogant Sony releases a more powerful console than their competitor at a lower price point. Arrogant Sony is back. It's all over.
And the fact that we really don't know anything about the next uncharted..not even the actual title. Nothing about the story, setting, characters or anything.
DangerMouse
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Welp, we know Project Beast (not even by it's real name yet) exists, better pack it up we don't want that game anymore...(we don't even know yet how much more amazing it looks now after even more development lol). Though at least you're saying it's still a great announcement. Plus as said the threads we have are huge, it's surprise already had a big effect. Seeing a full trailer will probably produce another one.
I'd say judging from the responses in the Last Guardian threads that it would be a huge shocking surprise, lol (see some mod posts, DS9 TLG gif, etc.). Do it Sony!