Gust announces Atelier Sophie (PS3/PSV/PS4)
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That's the appeal.
I wonder what the difference will be between platforms. Hope whatever direction they take the mechanics in this iteration is interesting.
it's ok, plain girls are cool too
she's like Tuba-chan in Sound UFOnium
Dragonslayer_023
Banned
Good, back to a single characters. We can safely say that we tried the dual character thing and it didn't really add much. Some kind of time system too? Very excited!
Suzushiiro
Banned
Having two games in the pipes at once is pretty normal for Gust, it's just that the other game is usually an Ar Tonelico/Surge Concerto game. Also they outsource most of the grunt work anyway, so their bandwidth for this kind of stuff is pretty flexible.
Suzushiiro
Banned
Is there a translation on the game's subtitle?
rykomatsu
Member
Not sure I'm digging the design...
But it's a GUST game...
So, I will buy the Limited Edition...
With all the other bonuses from the GUST store...
Day 1...
Awesome to have 2 games from GUST to play this year
Alchemist of a Mysterious Book
or something along those lines
But it's a GUST game...
So, I will buy the Limited Edition...
With all the other bonuses from the GUST store...
Day 1...
Awesome to have 2 games from GUST to play this year
Alchemist of a Mysterious Book
or something along those lines
Alchemist of the Wonderous Tome.
chrominance
Member
there's a clock on the screen
THERE'S A CLOCK ON THE SCREEN
Please please please please please be what I think it is! I kind of got used to the way Shallie progressed but I miss light time management.
I like the more traditional-looking setting, feels a bit like the pre-Arland games (that, to be fair, I never played so I don't have first-hand experience).
THERE'S A CLOCK ON THE SCREEN
Please please please please please be what I think it is! I kind of got used to the way Shallie progressed but I miss light time management.
I like the more traditional-looking setting, feels a bit like the pre-Arland games (that, to be fair, I never played so I don't have first-hand experience).
Yeah, I'll add one vote for time management.
TangerineCloud
Banned
Uh, I think you might've misunderstood me. The character designs are fantastic.
chrominance
Member
Oh, one other thing: I hope (as I always do for Atelier games) that there won't be too many moe fanservice-y bits. Rorona and Ayesha tended to be better about this than later games in their trilogies so maybe Sophie will be relatively restrained as well.
Another vote from me. It makes the games a bit more interesting. The time management portion was pretty light anyway.
I disagree completely. Each game has its own advantages and disadvantages, but I don't see any overall trend. E.g. the alchemy system in Escha & Logy is easily the best in any PS3 atelier.
I agree that crafting is serviceable in Escha, but they perfected the formula ages ago. The story (which is the main point, IMO) is boring, the main characters are bland as hell and the support cast manages to be even worse than Ayesha characters.
Can't agree here. I did not play Escha & Logy or Shallie yet but both Meruru and Ayesha had their own ups and downs but the games kept getting better and better in general.
I dont know how anyone could play through Logy's story and call him bland
Linca & Marion are some of the best characters in the series with the longest story arcs, the only one who really compares is Astrid and she's already equalled by Keith
Ewin's side story alone could be another JRPGs main story
dakkumauji
Member
Rorona was never plus'd.
They are literally remakes of the original game.
They are called plus in the west to follow the past trend of the past ports of Totori and Meruru.
There's no reason for them to do a plus version of this game cause it is already coming out on the Vita.
you mean after meruru, which is still the best ps3 atelier to date
How could you not love interesting characters like reyfer?
(dusk has some of the worst characters I've ever seen, there's the occasional bright spot like Regina and Katla but they're mostly all awful)
I don't agree with either of those. Alchemy was a lot more than "serviceable" in Escha, and the formula was far from perfected previously. For a major gameplay element, before Escha, the crafting in the PS3 Ateliers didn't feature enough player agency and RPG-like progression IMHO. They fixed both issues in Escha's system.
SliceSabre
Banned
Nah, that's Pokemon.
No, they actually change the gameplay up quite significantly with each entry. (E.g. Shallie, the most recently released one, dropped time management which was a major gameplay element in the previous games, and replaced it with a new system. Or, as discussed above, Escha & Logy completely changed the alchemy system, which, as the name implies, is kind of a big deal)
Suzushiiro
Banned
Only in that it releases a new game every year. It doesn't get anywhere near CoD-level sales.
I was more referring to yearly release with iterative changes and steady sales.
Well yes, but as I described the changes are a lot less iterative than what happens with CoD. I don't think that series switches out major gameplay systems from one entry to the next.
Sadly, it also only sells 1/50th of CoD numbers
Dragon Quest is closer to that. Even blew up with the "third" game, if you treat Modern Warfare as such being Infinity Ward's third title.
Seriously.
The time system adds zero gameplay.
I always maximized my time and cleared the game with close to 99% rate, but holy shit, the effort to do so was real time consuming of reloads and planning. It became so numbing that you will ask yourself if you were playing to reach the end goal % or enjoying the cute storyline and its characters?
Now with the last couple of titles, I can do both without planning and exploiting field items to increase my time limit, and just enjoying the story at a decent pace...after exploiting all the itemization of course.
some info from the magazine. I am sure there will be better translation later, so this is just kinda temporary.
-It's not based on Dusk world
-when asked if this was a trilogy: "sorry can't comment"
-Day/night cycle will be shown in the environment. Day/noon/night, and also weather is in.
-there will be no 'specific things you must do in specific time'. It would cause stress to the users
-Sophie is not really good at alchemy compared to recent protagonists.
-You don't buy recipes anymore. You learn them through experience. Exploration, battle, events could lead to new recipes.
-It's not based on Dusk world
-when asked if this was a trilogy: "sorry can't comment"
-Day/night cycle will be shown in the environment. Day/noon/night, and also weather is in.
-there will be no 'specific things you must do in specific time'. It would cause stress to the users
-Sophie is not really good at alchemy compared to recent protagonists.
-You don't buy recipes anymore. You learn them through experience. Exploration, battle, events could lead to new recipes.
the time limit is there to help you utilize your time efficiently and doesn't hinder the experience at all as long as you're not making it a habit to constantly waste time, it's easily the best thing about atelier games, if it's causing you a bunch of stress and you're constantly reloading, it sounds like you just don't get it, that's on you and not the game
i guess this means the end of time specific events? because if so thank goodness
Dragonslayer_023
Banned
I preferred the alchemy system in the Arland games to anything from Dusk. I do think that after Meruru the games have been getting worse with each installment. (Although Ayesha was still good.)
I am not 100% sure to be honest. I understood it more as talking about the new day/night cycle. Like 'there will not be certain event that is only triggered at morning/noon/night.'
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
PS4?
FUCK YES, I don't care if it stays looking the same as the PS3 games, just give me 1080p/60fps omg I'm so excited for an Atelier game that might not run like shit.
FUCK YES, I don't care if it stays looking the same as the PS3 games, just give me 1080p/60fps omg I'm so excited for an Atelier game that might not run like shit.
oh, yeah that makes sense
Basileus777
Member
I still haven't finished Shallie. The structure of the game is just dull, just like Escha and Lodgy's was. The Dusk series refined the combat and alchemy while ruining the games' progression and pacing.
Please, how the hell am I going to get a rare ingredient without reloading? I am maximizing every single second so I can have more months left. You aren't being efficient if you don't reload, you probably lost an hour of in-game time due to RNG.
But again, it doesn't add anything meaningful to the game since you should have already planned everything from start to finish since the goal is already set to you for that month/year.
It is just a chore to use real time to be efficient with the in-game time.
And if you have planned too well, welp, you have too much in-game time left and the story takes a hit due to the pacing causes by over managing the time system.
chrominance
Member
I guess it's less that I really love time management and more that the changes they made in Shallie don't work as well. Especially at the beginning of the game, progression happens in two discrete phases: there's a "story" section, where you can theoretically do whatever you want but you're not really progressing unless you do the story quests; then there's "free time," where you can theoretically do whatever you want but at some point you'll reach an arbitrary limit of completed tasks and then nothing else you do from that point counts towards other life tasks until you move on to the next chapter.
Time management in the previous games, especially Totori, Meruru and Ayesha, actually gave you more freedom. Every day you could think of something to do that would allow you to progress towards a goal, and you were given a lot of latitude. You also had a pretty good idea of where you stood in the game's progression. Shallie, on the other hand, made the early game very unpredictable for me. I'd find myself suddenly locked out of completing life tasks because oops, I picked up one too many flower items that finished a main life task, and now my main life task meter is complete and fuck you, move on to the next chapter.
And because the life tasks system is where you get most of your experience points for combat and alchemy, it's crucial that you manage your tasks effectively. Grinding in this game is pointless because normal battles give barely any XP and synthesizing items that don't count towards your life tasks don't raise your alchemy level very much either. Which is fine, except you're put in the position of trying to accomplish all your secondary life tasks while avoiding your main life tasks as much as possible so that you have the space to finish your secondary tasks and gain experience. This, to me, is stupid game design.
If time management is still gone in Sophie, that's fine, but they'd better replace the Shallie system with something that doesn't feel so artificially limiting for no real reason. Even Escha & Logy's enforced three-month (or four-month?) progression schedule would be preferable.
oh no Sophie isn't good at alchemy, so it's like every other Atelier game ever where the protagonist isn't good at alchemy except they're synthesizing nuclear devices by the end of the game. Or are they really suggesting Sophie will continue to suck at alchemy throughout the game?
Also, re: recipes. I like this change!
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