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Halo 4 |OT| Spartans Never Die
- Thread starter GhaleonEB
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This.. I want this more than visible skill ranks.
Or more playlists were guests are prohibited to play.
That's why I'm not a fan of Halo 4's random weapon drops. In the old Halos, you always knew who had the power weapons.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
The other player doesn't know anything. He doesn't know if you'll throw a grenade (or which ones you even have equipped), shoot, switch weapons, jump, or start dancing. So your point holds no weight. He used a AA that its main purpose is to "buy you time" and used it correctly. Thus, outplayed his opponent.
The problem with Arena was that it was advertised as to cater to the 'super hardcore' - turning off decent people who wanted competitive games but didn't want to play against the super hardcore. The rank was hard to understand and was only visible in the small playlist, so there was no incentive to get a high rank - plus it had terrible settings with jetpack, AR starts, and different problems in some of the seasons.
Resetting the rank also lowered the incentive (I understand the reasoning behind it though) to play. It was horribly mismanaged - you can't tell me that it was just because the audience for ranked is small - see Halo 3 playlists to see huge numbers in Team Slayer etc. Yes, they are outnumbered by social, but there was a huge demand for ranked.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Oh please. It was a small population because the implementation fell flat on its face.
People were super excited about it pre-launch.
Tha Robbertster
Member
I think this is what David meant when he said they perfected teabagging.
Shame you won't be able to see it because of the kill cams.
Shame you won't be able to see it because of the kill cams.
game of the generation
It would be dividing the playerbase like the TU, but the distinction being not for a retarded reason like "crappy gameplay vs slightly less-crappy gameplay." Plus I'm fairly sure Halo 4 will have better legs than Reach in the next year.
The map pass is also going to cut down on all the DLC only playlists.
It's there. I died laughing when I saw it.
Perfect for double kills
Franklinator
Member
Doesn't work for me, either.
HollovVpo1nt
Banned
GOTY
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Would you say that the mlg one is badly implemented too? Cause that one is just as small.
lLemonDemon
Member
Reach.
They just said it was a skill based one but the actual number is hidden from players.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Ok. That's just awesome.
Haha see for me it's the exact opposite. I hate entering a game where it literally becomes map memorization. Oh look they have all the power weapons, might as well just die.
Lifejumper
Member
LMAO.
Wow, this is a lot. Thanks, OddOne
FUCK. I missed the whole thing because FUCKING work. Siggy isn't streaming. Can't see HALO FOUR STREAM. FUUUUUUCK.
shit
NO ranks. May not even get to play H4 next week. Don't have it preordered.
SHITTTTTTTTTT
All Ranked / Social does is split userbases for a gametype or reduce the potential population by forcing lists not big enough to have both a Ranked and Social version into being Ranked.
Reach and I assume Halo 4 have a separate option to disallow guests in any playlist. The only way to block guests in Halo 3 was to make a playlist ranked, and that's mostly because Halo 3's setup was just a slightly updated version of Halo 2's setup. They've made the backend a lot more flexible since then.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Thats fucking amazing, oh my god, hahaha
So the Reach system in other words. I'm guessing guests are still allowed in all playlists.
Yeah of course map control should be important and needs skill and not "oh look the sniper just dropped in front of me"
god I hope not, at least give me the option to say I don't want to be matched up with them :/
The huge difference is, when someone else has a power weapon in previous Halos, you could predict that, because you know where and when they spawn!
Spawning with a rocket launcher for example and getting a kill when the other person doesn't know you have spawned with one is NOT outsmarting your opponent, is it?
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
But there are numerous ways to know if someone has a power weapon in Halo. You can pay attention to weapon spawn locations and times, and predict if an enemy player grabs them. Your team mates can tell you if they got sniped, and where the sniper is. You can listen out for rockets or sniper fire, and approach with caution. You can see power weapons holstered on an opponent's back.
With armor abilities as loadouts, only some of those indicators are present.
Again, I think AAs will be a blast to use, but I also recognize that they're counter to the core of Halo. They're something I'd like to play around with in silly, random playlists like Multi Team -- not in the main, headlining Slayer playlist.
Edit : And hologram victory crouching is amazing. Well done, 343. <3
HawksWinStanley
Member
Nobody.
Easily the most disappointing array of pre-order bonuses I've seen in a while. I'm assuming it's because they know people will buy it regardless so there is no need to throw customers a bone, but from what I've seen they're all pathetic.
Zeouterlimits
Member
The MLG one doesn't have a visual rank, which is why we were talking about Arena, which does, sort of. So I'm confused as to why it's relevant to the visual rank discussion?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Having an issue with that archived twitch video, it stops very early in right at the beginning of the haven match and it never picks back up.
Such a deterrent to go online, be out-voted onto a map that I am completely new to and then get decimated because I don't have the time to memorize where the power weapons are. I like map control as the idea of capturing areas and holding them down, not so much, I have control of this area cause that's where the rocket launcher is and no one else can have it.
Weapon drops only happen on a kill streak correct? Like if you got 3 kills and died, you'd have to restart your way to a weapon drop on your next spawn?
I doubt it. 343 is pretty much anti choice as it gets in these matters.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
I never talked about rank.
NullPointer
Member
The game has definitely changed. But using whatever advantages you can muster at opportune times is still the best way to succeed. I can definitely understand the lack of predictability, but then again its those insane and unforeseen events in Halo that I get a huge kick out of - it all comes down to how balanced everything is. Without a full on beta that's anybody's guess.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Looking over it, I apologise, I was blurring your discussion on hardcore playlists/accomodating that community with visual ranks.
I think they're fairly related, but not what ye were talking about specifically, sorry.
I was trying to explain to Silly Mikey (apt name really), that using HLS is hardly 'outsmarting your opponent.'
Silly.Mikey
Banned
No im just saying that hardcore playlists in general are usually pretty small and that Halo 4 probably wasn't designed with the super hardcore players first and foremost in mind which is why AA are still in.
Having AA might make the game more unpredictable, but then again so do grenades. Opponents don't know which grenades you have or if you'll use them. Theres no way your opponent knows which you have equipped or if you even have any on you. Same shit. Using AA at the right time takes just as much strategy as does playing a move in chess while thinking 2 moves ahead. You can use them properly and save your life, or badly and die. I see skill in that where others see a cop-out. I dont agree.
Thought it was my POS computer. Major Nelson said hes working on getting the video up soon.
I just hope guests-allowed/loose matchmaking isn't the norm again, is all. And that they make an effort to communicate where certain types of players should go without ghettoizing competitive ala Arena with scary descriptions and pigeonholing people (at launch) into 1 playlist.
Awesome, but will it scale? Almost as foolhardy as what they're doing with Miiverse.