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Halo 4 |OT| Spartans Never Die
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SomeOneInaHat
Member
It's my go to assassination factory.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
The new Spartan Ops missions are actually a little difficult and fun. The combat is more open and the AI seems to push through it rather than anchor in.. I like that. Its still not perfect, but I am having a lot of fun. Too bad at all the reused level spaces already, but to be fair they are utilized in completely different ways. I hope more missions introduce things like friendly AI.. would be cool to play with an AI team of Spartans that are actual characters from time to time.
One complaint- The missions have nothing really to do with the CG, and it would be nice to get some in engine cutscenes here and there as we do stuff. We rescue a science team that proclaim "Spartans!" but we never see them.. It just needs a bit more in the story telling department, right now it feels like... I dunno.
I really wish there were variants of Spartan Ops, one with limited lives or checkpoints, one without. Right now there is no risk when you die, and hell, you get fresh ammo so you're better off. It needs more risk so winning feels more rewarding.. as of now it just feels like a grind. Sure, I could challenge myself and restart every time I die, but thats not fun for me either.
I hope they do not do it like Reach... way too many shitty, grey forge maps. If they bring forge maps into Halo 4 they better be good, and they better only allow 1 or 2 per forge environment.
I miss the Halo 3 Brute packs.. they were actually fun and interesting to fight. I would love to see them return, but I agree that 343 needs to focus on revamping the Prometheans. So much repetition when fighting them.. they need more variety, like real variety, and Knights need a revamp. As of now, they pale in comparison to the Covenant.. Here's hoping Halo 5 brings a ton of changes, upgrades and new units to the Prometheans. They have a good idea with them, but I can't shake the feeling of them being very lacking and boring. Sometimes they really shone though.
One complaint- The missions have nothing really to do with the CG, and it would be nice to get some in engine cutscenes here and there as we do stuff. We rescue a science team that proclaim "Spartans!" but we never see them.. It just needs a bit more in the story telling department, right now it feels like... I dunno.
I really wish there were variants of Spartan Ops, one with limited lives or checkpoints, one without. Right now there is no risk when you die, and hell, you get fresh ammo so you're better off. It needs more risk so winning feels more rewarding.. as of now it just feels like a grind. Sure, I could challenge myself and restart every time I die, but thats not fun for me either.
I hope they do not do it like Reach... way too many shitty, grey forge maps. If they bring forge maps into Halo 4 they better be good, and they better only allow 1 or 2 per forge environment.
I miss the Halo 3 Brute packs.. they were actually fun and interesting to fight. I would love to see them return, but I agree that 343 needs to focus on revamping the Prometheans. So much repetition when fighting them.. they need more variety, like real variety, and Knights need a revamp. As of now, they pale in comparison to the Covenant.. Here's hoping Halo 5 brings a ton of changes, upgrades and new units to the Prometheans. They have a good idea with them, but I can't shake the feeling of them being very lacking and boring. Sometimes they really shone though.
Yeah, the story really was lacking depth, and those freaking terminals really should have been in the actual game. Or at least something similar.. They were so well done. It also would have made the storytelling more cohesive, god knows how MC and Cortana knew the things they did, or why they didn't question them for the players benefit at least.. The parts of the story that were good were great, but it needed more. Still, I feel 343 destroys Bungie in storytelling for sure.
Eh, this is hard to agree with. I think Valhalla, Pit, Construct, and High Grounds (? the one with the base up the hill) were all great maps. The rest were just... eh. Snowbound... Epitaph... That "lockout" successor... I couldn't stand them.
I think all Halo 4 maps are average but they are at least enjoyable though. Unlike some of Halo 3's maps. I wish they released a few more maps, though, since the voting system can make these maps VERY repetitive. I hope they add a lot of Forge maps soon.
For the record, Halo Reach's multiplayer maps were terrible. I stopped playing Reach for a long time because of how bad they were. I mean really? Who though sections cutout from Single Player missions was a good idea? Sword Base was really my only likeable map.
SomeOneInaHat
Member
This is the inherant problem, Halo's complex AI and physics don't transmit well over a peer to peer connection unless under the perfect storm of networking. This is where dedicated servers could lend a hand in solving the middle man by removing it and setting an exceptable standard. I'm unaware of how hard or costly such an operation would be, but Microsoft seems like the kind of company to front such a bill.
Trickster
Member
I hope we get some variety. All the missions are super simplistic. They're pretty much all about clicking a button and killing a billion enemies between button clicks.
There's so many thing they can do with the halo sandbox, it's kind of a shame to see them wasting the potential like this.
I mean, they could make stealthy missions, big vehicle missions, race missions, platform missions, and more.
I think that the concept with spartan ops is good, but outside of the weekly cgi sequence, it's a pretty boring and repetitive experience so far.
Snowbound is the worst map ever created. Can't believe I was just reminded of that map.
My day is ruined.
SomeOneInaHat
Member
Backwash, Chiron, and Isolation
Map is great if you just go down to that cavern underground between the two bases. Nobody ever goes in there so you can just relax and think about stuff.
Compared to the cage, its a very good map.
You take Backwash out of that sentence right now
snoopeasystreet
Member
I think the Halo 4 maps have a really different flow but I can't tell if it's because of design or because of the de-emphasis on weapon and map control. I tend to move through the maps in laps rather than taking and holding one area. It's probably because of random weapon spawn and timer mixed with ordinance means that there isn't the same hot zones the way there were before. Actually is there heatmaps for Halo 4 maps out yet on way point?
Trickster
Member
Nobody goes down there because you'd get grenades thrown at you from 3 angles.
RepairmanJack
Member
Abandon...
I think it's mostly because of weapon spawns. There is no more forced encounter or forced locations to protect. Only advantage points to keep hold of like the top of longbow, or the building roofs on Complex, the high hallways on adrift(or whatever it's called), the sniper spot on Solace.
I wish the trait fields in forge were able to control where ordinance drops could be used. Thought that would have been an awesome idea to mix the new playstyle with needed map control/forced encounters.
RepairmanJack
Member
Edit: DP, sorry
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Nah, Abandon is a lot better than those maps IMO.. Its nothing special, but its fun. Haven is the standout best map in Halo 4, but it also has some great btb maps.
Lol that was actually the first map I EVER played on in Halo. I remember screaming "WHAT'S ALL THIS TREE SHIT?!".
RepairmanJack
Member
My gripes are mostly with any kind of team orientated game. I think it's fine for FFA or Flood, but other than that it is crazy bad.
Solace and Complex are my standouts. But I mostly like team objective games for both of those.
AlmostMilk
Member
Been looking up these glitches everyone is talking about. Looks like Halo 4 is going to become the new Halo 2.
Apparently it's the master chief armor
But I'm going off someone from waypoint so take with a grain of salt (plenty available here)
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Mister Chief helmets for everyone.
The Lamonster
Member
It's X in this game.
Hypertrooper
Member
Maybe the Monitor emblem?
I think i am the only person who liked that map, also Epitaph. Guardian was a great map too imo. For H4 the only map i truly dislike is Solace, not worst map ive ever played (that honor goes to Countdown in Reach) just dont really like playing on it. Haven is the best in 4 for me and up there with the best maps from 3. Reminds me a bit of Narrows. Exile, Ragnarok, Adrft and Meltdown are all solid as well.
Yeah I did that until they made it into boundless.
So drafty
What map is Isolation. I don't want to google it because I want to be surprised.
JustProgress
Member
I saw a few people sporting the MC armor in MP. I thought it was just a MS pre-order but I guess that could be it and less obvious than flaming heads...
njean777
Member
COD has strategy, it's called stop complaining and adapt.
The strategy in old halo games was to circle jerk a certain weapon on a map and everybody would just gravitate towards it and constantly spam grenades and rinse and repeat. It was stupid. Now though there is no reason to do that, which is why I prefer this multiplayer. You can go anywhere on the maps and not feel like you are not doing anything for your team, by not defending a stupid rocket launcher.
JustProgress
Member
It's for beating the game on legendary.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
You could have 50 maps in the game and still only the same 4 or 5 would get played. It's the same with all shooters.
RepairmanJack
Member
Isolated circle. Two bases underground with a garage type thing above the two. Big thing at the top of the map leads to underground poop shoot.
I'm still irritated that my Legendary run didn't record 2 random levels as completed in Legendary. I need to go back and redo those 2 levels but too lazy now that I saw the Legendary ending on Youtube...
EdibleExplosives
Member
Sword Base made Halo 3's worst maps look alright.
AndresON777
shooting blanks
Yep pretty much nailed it.
what's that big city map from halo 2 called? It had tall buildings you could get up and snipe...
probably terminal? turf?
SomeOneInaHat
Member
I'm working on a Swordbase remake in forge.
*Fades away into the shadows*
Headlong
Headlong. That map is one of mankind's greatest achievements.
RepairmanJack
Member
It's a bit more than just spamming a spot for a weapon. It caused forced encounters and it forced map control. If you sat back or tried to camp you would end up getting the short end of the stick because you didn't get map control not because you didn't get the power weapon. The power weapons on most occasions helped the team that didn't have control(facing a decent team) more than the team that did. If a team had control of the map there is little chance a power weapon or one spot on the map will change that. It was the fact that the weapon could make the difference with a good team that is down. It allowed them to disrupt the teams control.
Cod's strategy has pretty much always been camp or be fast enough to counter campers. The new system while fun most of the time encourages more camping and people constantly peeking from behind rocks and shooting from afar until they get unlucky. There's no real adapting to that.
I'm not bashing the new system, I like it for the most part. But I definitely think it has some serious flaws, and by no means better.
It seemed like it was solely designed for stockpile. It worked well with that, but after a while every other game type turned into camping above glass. I liked it a lot at first.
njean777
Member
I want lockout! That is all.
Well I play almost nothing but Domination on COD so maybe that is why I see strategy all the time, I don't play anything else very much (maybe kill confirmed occasionally and very rarely TDM). Just like the mode I play the most in Halo is Dominion. I never really cared for Team Slayer or Slayer as it was a camp fest in general.
Well I play almost nothing but Domination on COD so maybe that is why I see strategy all the time, I don't play anything else very much (maybe kill confirmed occasionally and very rarely TDM). Just like the mode I play the most in Halo is Dominion. I never really cared for Team Slayer or Slayer as it was a camp fest in general.
Now that the honeymoon period was worn off, I feel like multiplayer has dragged down the game a bit. Part of the problem is that Halo has lost a bit of its purity over the years. But even then, this isn't a big deal because I am enjoying the sprint feature, and some of the armour abilities work well. My issue is mainly with the maps. Most of the maps on the Slayer, Oddball and KoH playlists are mediocre. I love Haven, but don't want to have to play it every match.
