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Halo:CE Anniversary Announced (MS Conf, Nov 15th 2011, $40)
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PooBone
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OuterWorldVoice said:
Honest questions I thought of last night while going through SC and AotCR on Legendary:
Will there be any sort of campaign scoring/stat tracking for campaign?
Is the animation for cutscenes being improved at all? I always think back to MC and Keyes shaking hands.... with dislocated wrists.
The Librarian
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Yup. Bloom needs to go. I'd take the spread over the bloom any day.GhaleonEB said:
The Real Napsta
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Striker said:
Halo 3 BR with hitscan wouldn't be so bad.
PooBone
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Maybe the dumbest thing I've ever read.GloveSlap said:
bobs99 ... said:
Don't speak for me buddy, MP would be a nice addition but 99% of my good memories from Halo CE came from playing campaign co-op.
Are you trying to say that the Halo novels all became New York Times Bestsellers because people wanted to read fanfic multiplayer stories? Face it man, some people love the game for campaign, others for multiplayer. You fall on the multiplayer side, but you don't speak for everyone.border said:
No, it ships with a multiplayer component, you can pop in the disc and select "multiplayer."Izayoi said:
Could you be more dramatic? LOL. What an elitist attitude. You DEMAND something better. Tell them that with your dollars and don't buy anymore Halo games if that's how you feel. Being a douchebag on a forum isn't going to change anyone's mind, and this late in development, it sure as shit isn't going to add any features.Izayoi said:
When you say "we've" you're talking about such a small number of people that it makes no sense to cater their development to your needs, especially if everyone in your little PC/XBC clique is a total asshole like you. I hope the MP component of Reach has zero changes just so you will be butthurt and continue to cry like the self-entitled twit you are.Izayoi said:
I remember when I was first play Halo 2 being so confused about why I felt half blind. I thought the weapon models were bigger and covering more of the screen. I also remembered being confused about why the campaign spaces were so much smaller and thought it was because the graphics required more processing power and required the spaces to be smaller, only later finding out it was because the game had been built with 4-player online co-op in mind, and when that got cut the compromised level design remained.thatbox said:
Syracuse022
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PooBone
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Deputy Moonman said:
It's a great campaign weapon when dealing with multiple enemies, and it's the weapon I never drop in single player for Combat Evolved. I'd swap out my second weapon slot between the pistol and shotgun for most of the campaign, with the occasional sniper or rocket, but 99.9% of the game I have my trusty AR for when you start getting swarmed. It's essential on legendary if you want to keep a decent stock of pistol or shotgun ammo. Can't be wasting those rounds. The AR and its role is (in my own humble opinion) one of the biggest reason Halo: Combat Evolved had the best weapon balance in the entire series.
This is all from a campaign perspective obviously.
Monocle
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From the beginning Halo has had a dedicated, vibrant, and vocal community of campaign-focused fans. There are trickers, speed runners, lore fanatics, casual players like myself who tend not to wade into the multiplayer modes, and everything in between. I'm not sure how you could have arrived at the conclusion you did without being extremely selective or inconsistent about which aspects of Halo fandom you paid attention to.GloveSlap said:
The Librarian
Banned
Yeah. Halo has a pretty diverse community.
The Antitype
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Deputy Moonman said:
I really don't have a problem dealing with ARs at mid-range if I'm using a pistol or DMR. Yeah, if you're spamming the trigger instead of timing your shots (or at leas the last headshot) you might lose, but that's user error not weapon balance.
The assault rifle was brought back to be the starting weapon. It was originally the starting weapon in Halo: CE, but it was so fucking useless that people just dropped it. In Halo 2, they tried to replace it with the 'new' AR, the SMG...but it was even MORE useless unless paired with another weapon...which lead to BR starts becoming the standard.
So the AR was brought back for Halo as the 'perfect starting weapon'. It had better range and accuracy than the Halo: CE AR (thank god), was not headshot capable, and had a shallow clip. Not being headshot capable was important to prevent the whole Halo: CE pistol scenario (starting weapon was too versatile, decreased combat variety and weakened the role of other weapons in the sandbox).
The shallow clip was important to ensure that the weapon wasn't too effective - it was good enough to defend yourself, but you would need to use grenades or melees to finish somebody. The idea behind the AR was that you would use it to defend yourself or maybe back up other players while you tried to find a more specialized weapon (BR, Shotty, Snipe, what have you).
Unfortunately, it didn't work out that way in practice. Halo players didn't have the patience to play defensively with a starting weapon, and that combined with the power of the melee led to a lot of matches being characterized by players rushing at each other with ARs going, and finishing with melees. Of course, smart players could always annihilate this idiots with BRs, snipes, shottys, just about anything.
So the AR was tweaked a bit for Reach, the pistol was added as a head-shot capable alternative at spawn. Bloom ensured that the pistol was only useful at a specific range but VERY effective in the beta, but apparently people complained or Bungie tired of it, cause the nerfed it and now it's only just as useful as the AR.
Just out of curiousity, how hard is it to put together a LAN party using Halo:CE on 360 systems?
Can you do ad-hoc multiplayer over Wifi or must it be through Ethernet?
Does the game run as well as the original, through emulation? Is it better to use discs or the Games On Demand version?
People earlier were acting as though you had to use the OG Xbox and controllers, but I'm not sure if that was a technical requirement or just personal preference. If there's any decent guides on setting up Halo:CE LAN on 360 systems, please drop me a link.
Can you do ad-hoc multiplayer over Wifi or must it be through Ethernet?
Does the game run as well as the original, through emulation? Is it better to use discs or the Games On Demand version?
People earlier were acting as though you had to use the OG Xbox and controllers, but I'm not sure if that was a technical requirement or just personal preference. If there's any decent guides on setting up Halo:CE LAN on 360 systems, please drop me a link.
We've had some great explanations as to why Bloom is a poor addition to the Halo sandbox and I don't have much to add, although I'll give my own reasoning for why I'm adamant it mustn't be included in future iterations.
Past Halo games were about fast movement, vertical traversal and pure aiming. This is what made Halo so competitive, it was difficult to hit your target but subsequently rewarding when you did so. Firefights weren't short, armour needed to be whittled down but it didn't take too long either. Strafing and jumping were key parts of combat and the whole time it was about managing the aim of your reticle to correspond to both your opponents and your own movements.
In Reach, because of the addition of Bloom and the altered mobility settings firefights are decreased to a slower pace. It's not a struggle to keep your reticle on your opponent whatsoever and the challenge is provided by the blooming reticle. This means you have to stop and wait until the reticle fixes itself before firing, and while some people argue that this adds more depth to the game, I'd reply that it's infinitely easier to time your shots than it is to hit a moving target in previous Halo games, and not to mention less fun. Bloom slows you down, it hinders you and causes you to think about things that have never been an issue in the Halo sandbox prior to Reach. Not only that but the removal of the fixed firing rate means players can spam and luck their way to victory by unleashing all their bullets into the slower targets without any thought to timing or aim.
I love Halo but I can safely say that should Halo 4 be shown with a Bloom mechanic in place I just simply won't buy it. That's not trying to be rebellious or initiate a boycot of any means, that's just my own personal preference. Halo with Bloom isn't Halo, it feels like a different franchise altogether, and not one I particularly enjoy.
Saying that, Domino's post about the 343 community event have me hoping that the key people within 343 feel similarly to myself, and hopefully Halo 4 will be the proper sequel we've wanted since 2007.
Halo fatigue my arse.
Past Halo games were about fast movement, vertical traversal and pure aiming. This is what made Halo so competitive, it was difficult to hit your target but subsequently rewarding when you did so. Firefights weren't short, armour needed to be whittled down but it didn't take too long either. Strafing and jumping were key parts of combat and the whole time it was about managing the aim of your reticle to correspond to both your opponents and your own movements.
In Reach, because of the addition of Bloom and the altered mobility settings firefights are decreased to a slower pace. It's not a struggle to keep your reticle on your opponent whatsoever and the challenge is provided by the blooming reticle. This means you have to stop and wait until the reticle fixes itself before firing, and while some people argue that this adds more depth to the game, I'd reply that it's infinitely easier to time your shots than it is to hit a moving target in previous Halo games, and not to mention less fun. Bloom slows you down, it hinders you and causes you to think about things that have never been an issue in the Halo sandbox prior to Reach. Not only that but the removal of the fixed firing rate means players can spam and luck their way to victory by unleashing all their bullets into the slower targets without any thought to timing or aim.
I love Halo but I can safely say that should Halo 4 be shown with a Bloom mechanic in place I just simply won't buy it. That's not trying to be rebellious or initiate a boycot of any means, that's just my own personal preference. Halo with Bloom isn't Halo, it feels like a different franchise altogether, and not one I particularly enjoy.
Saying that, Domino's post about the 343 community event have me hoping that the key people within 343 feel similarly to myself, and hopefully Halo 4 will be the proper sequel we've wanted since 2007.
Halo fatigue my arse.
The Antitype
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Arnie said:
I'd argue past Halo games have unfortunately been defined by a single weapon that becomes the defacto standard thanks to unintended versatility. Pistol, then the BR.
Reach is the first Halo where every weapon truly feels as though it has a useful place in the sandbox, and bloom has a lot to do with it.
What alternative to you propose to ensure Halo 4 does not run into the same problem that Halo CE through Halo 3 did...one that ideally, won't push the pendulum too far the other way, a la CoD, where the differences between weapons (or weapon classes) are essentially minute.
I don't think Halo needs a big differentiator, quite honestly I though Halo 3 was a great step forward in this regard to every weapon having a purpose in combat.The Antitype said:
Plasma weapons are great for stripping energy shields, weapons like the Bruteshot and Plasma Pistol were decent alternatives for disabling vehicles, weapons like the BR weren't effective at long ranges (see Standoff and Narrows) and the Sniper was that single long ranged weapon. In Reach I would argue all a player ever needs is a DMR, it's spammable at close range, effective at mid range and absolutely deadly at long range. There's no situation where the DMR isn't useful.
border said:
Ethernet System Link just works out of the box, but to do System Link over wifi you'd probably have to tinker with router settings. This method (from eHow) should work:
There's no inherent support. One tip is that System Link uses crossover cables, which may make a difference depending on how you set it up. It should even be possible to use tunneling services that way.
We are trying to get some OG Dukes rebuilt with 360 guts for Halo Fest.
ElRenoRaven
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OuterWorldVoice said:
That's actually pretty damn cool to hear. I bet you could make a Collectors Edition of Anniversary and sell it with a 360 version of the Duke and people would buy that up like mad. lol
The Lamonster
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Oh man, I was thinking about this the other day. I would love to play this with a Duke hahaOuterWorldVoice said:
Syracuse022
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Never done a wireless LAN before, but I'll add some pointers about the wired set-up.
Wired LAN set-up with 360s:
1) None of the Xbox 360s can have an alternate MAC address defined in Network Settings - for whatever reason, the others won't be able to "see" the device
2) To connect just two consoles, crossover cable is all you need
3) To connect more than two, use regular ethernet cable with an ethernet switch or a router
4) Limitations: 4 players per box, 4 boxes
5) Amusing: your Xbox's default name (some older games used to let you change this for the OG Xbox)
Wired LAN set-up with 360s:
1) None of the Xbox 360s can have an alternate MAC address defined in Network Settings - for whatever reason, the others won't be able to "see" the device
2) To connect just two consoles, crossover cable is all you need
3) To connect more than two, use regular ethernet cable with an ethernet switch or a router
4) Limitations: 4 players per box, 4 boxes
5) Amusing: your Xbox's default name (some older games used to let you change this for the OG Xbox)
The Antitype
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Arnie said:
I didn't mind the balance in Halo 3. But people (including some in this thread) disliked the way the BR handled with spread at range.
So either way, you're going to have people upset.
Spamming the DMR in close can get you more kills than it should...but it will still get you less than using the AR or even the pistol (with properly timed shots). At range, the DMR is accurate if you time shots correctly, but spamming doesn't work particularly well and the time between each bloom reduction is long enough that players can usually get to cover before they're picked off.
So at mid-range it's in the comfort-zone, close-range its wonky (you're taking a chance using it when you should be using a better weapon for the job), and at long range its decent but not really deadly because it takes too long to land those five shots.
I think it works. I like that I have the option to use the weapon outside it's intended role (or comfort zone, as I call it) instead of switching to a better one or trying to force the combat back into the ideal range, but have to deal with the consequences for that choice.
Can you wireless link 2 360s together to play offline LAN?
Edit: Oh, looks like you can. Cool.
http://support.xbox.com/en-us/pages/xbox-360/troubleshoot/kb/xbox-kb.aspx?kbid=910583
Edit: Oh, looks like you can. Cool.
http://support.xbox.com/en-us/pages/xbox-360/troubleshoot/kb/xbox-kb.aspx?kbid=910583
ncsuDuncan
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Shipping cost to bring the WETA Warthog from Australia.OuterWorldVoice said:
Shipping cost to bring the Dukes from Kirkland.
Wow, the budget for HaloFest must be pretty strained by now. I can't wait.
Syracuse022
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Wow, I had no idea. Thanks.claviertekky said:
nVidiot_Whore
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Izayoi said:
You are really too much man. The game ships with the ability to play a multi-player component without any other purchases.
Yes, the upgraded single-player campaign + online co-op is going to be vomit... OR.. it's going to be something I enjoy for dozens or hundreds of hours for the low price of $40. I probably put 2,000 hours into Halo co-op back in the day.. I absolutely LOVE the gameplay and level design of Halo : CE so I'm personally psyched.
I'm also looking forward to trying out what they are doing with the multi-player component, which ships with the game. The one you keep denying exists even though it does.
And yes, that's despite the fact they are using the Reach engine for it. I play Reach almost daily.. and while I enjoy jet packs and whatnot I have the most fun when I end up playing on a DMR's map or Slayer Pro because they give me a more "pure" Halo experience w/ less bells and whistles.. while I haven't tried the Classic playlist or whatever I'm looking forward to this CEA mode/maps to see how close they can get to that pure classic Halo gameplay.
Sorry for the delayed reply.. I don't post much in the evenings and damn this forum moves fast.
OuterWorldVoice said:
HOLY CRAP
Now.. you need to get MS to release these to the public!!!
ARGHH!!!
What, when, where is Halo fest?
ElRenoRaven
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wwm0nkey said:
I won't lie. I would. It would bring back so many memories playing Halo Anniversary with a Duke.
Dead Man Typing
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OuterWorldVoice said:
Make sure if you do give them away as prizes that people overseas can win them somehow. A twitter give-away would be nice. Just putting it out there.
nVidiot_Whore
Banned
Dammit.. Halo Fest is at PAX.. tickets sold out...
Might have to call in a favor... happen to know a guy who works at the WA convention and trade center...
Might have to call in a favor... happen to know a guy who works at the WA convention and trade center...
Zeouterlimits
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Unfortunate. There was talk on the Bombcast that the question had been asked at E3, would ye do it as a promotional controller to which a clear answer either way wasn't given.OuterWorldVoice said:
I can see how it would be a fairly big investment (making the designs, molds, getting the factories in place, tests etc) and then the question of how many really want this inferior design (The Duke is cool, but really, the S & 360 controller are far far better).
Zeouterlimits
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In which sense? I'm not 100% clued into that. I know they're making a replica as a collectors edition. Making a controller is a bit different.wwm0nkey said: