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Halo |OT10| The Calm Before The Storm
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Happy Birthday man, have a good one <3
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
If anyone spoils anything from that Spanish leak I'm sending Kyle to your house to turn it into a "playable space that runs at 60fps."
The second level you find out that Halo 3's campaign was all in Chief's mind. Also, Chief has been dead for 10 years and The Rookie is just replaying his memories through the Animus.
Tha Robbertster
Member
Multiplayer, forge and theater is all fine in my books. Campaign shouldn't even be in this thread. There is a Halo 4 spoiler thread and I'd appreciate it if people would post any Halo 4 spoilers that could come form this leak there.
Fire effects usually downgrades frame rate.
you remember the erotic story with cortana and chief? Yeah it kinda gets like that in the fifth level.
Yep, I agree with this.
Gabotron ES
Member
I commented him about this, now it's up to him to post campaign pics or not.
haha we have a great sense of humour, lol'd hard at this.
:lol
Edit: he bought it for about 42.28 Euros.
Tha Robbertster
Member
What do you mean we? Are you saying you're cheating on us.
bigshow has posted more well reasoned constructive criticism about halo than 99% of the people in this thread. I find it bizarre that people jump on him when he posts.
yep. hire juicey
yep. hire juicey
Gabotron ES
Member
Zeouterlimits
Member
That Spain leak was smuggled across the border. Over the Pyrenees. FROM FRANCE.
Live-Action Ad, tut tut 343. Ye already have FUD for heavens sake.
Firm believer in marketing the game with the game.
Live-Action Ad, tut tut 343. Ye already have FUD for heavens sake.
Firm believer in marketing the game with the game.
Straight for the jugular.
Feels that way from an American perspective. 25% unemployment is mind-boggling when we're bitching about 7.8%.
Deputy Moonman
Member
Pretty much agree. But people get onto you for just about everything you say, so I guess you shouldn't be surprised lol.
OT: Just picked up E.T. on Blu-ray with the little E.T. plushie. Elliot was my childhood
ie
still is lol
HiredN00bs
Member
If people aren't familiar with the reasoning behind his attitude, they're not going to take well to sarcastic quips on their own. People here aren't anti-criticism, they're anti-defamation. Saying things like "343 Industries is shit" (just to take an example from my posting history) doesn't foster any sort of worthwhile discussion on its own, even if I could give you 100 reasons that support my hypothesis, nor does it lend you credibility with anyone who could possibly address your grievances (ingratiating yourself with a developer or a connected person can benefit everyone if it means improving the game, and shouldn't be pooh-poohed).
Criticism is so much more than just talking negatively about something. It's about intelligently identifying successes, failures, things that need improvement, iteration, and providing useful feedback in cases where you are speaking to a developer, or using it to produce a better design in the case of being a competitor. I have rarely (notice I say rarely, not never) seen quality criticism from the pariahs in this community. That is not a coincidence.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Bring on the leaks!
Arched, no. No. No. No. No. No.
HiredN00bs
Member
Bring on my Stonecutters GOnD code.
ArchedThunder
Banned
You can't stop it, the hole is already there, it is just a matter of time till to boat fills up.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
25 percent total, around 50 percent youth. I studied in Valencia in 2007 when Spain was at its culmination...really sad to see the way things have turned.
Deputy Moonman
Member
Moa
Member
Nope, Amazon haven't shipped any at all just like Gamestop.
The updated release date is October 18th, but time will tell.
In quotes we trust.
If you need a bigger version :
I can't decide if I prefer Grumpy Unibrow Chief or Goofy Smiley Visor Chief
Okay - let me start off by saying I'm NOT a competitive player; I almost don't feel qualified to ask questions, let alone contribute to the discussion. All I've really got going for me is that I've been around for a long, long time - so if I'm asking dumb questions, be nice about telling me so.
If I'm understanding you correctly, your argument is that Halo (the first one) is the last game where individual skill was more important than the ability to work as a team. (I'm not suggesting that the ability to be a team player isn't a skill - I'm trying to summarize your overall point, that Halo allowed individual skill to shine and gave greater depth to team play than later games did.)
The part I don't get, then, is why the early competitive winners were so quickly eclipsed when Halo 2 came out.
If you look at the early days of competitive gaming (first national championship was in 2002, AGP was pretty active in 2003, MLG kicked off that year), you'll see names like HP Darkman, StrangePurple, Zyos. They dominated at the start (especially when they teamed up to form The Dream Team) - but soon after Halo 2 came out, they ALL faded away. It's like they couldn't adapt to the new game (though the Ogres and Walshy, who'd all been around in 2003, had no trouble doing so).
So if a group of guys could dominate the competitive scene, both individually and as a team, when the game was DEEPER, and rewarded individual play more... why wouldn't they dominate even MORE in a game that became less deep? (Zyos kept playing FFAs through 2006, and then dropped out of professional gaming, but he stopped playing team games in 2005, and the rest of the Dream Team was gone in 2004.)
Part of the answer might be as simple as "the competitive scene wasn't big enough to support them and they went back to school" - the first real contracts weren't signed until mid-2006. But I don't think that's all of it. To me, as an outsider (to the competitive scene), it seemed that players that were BETTER individually (in Halo) had more trouble adapting to the team dynamics of Halo 2 - it's not that Halo's team play is deeper, it's that Halo's team dynamics are LESS important than the individual skills of the members of the team. (That is: four great FFA players could easily dominate in Halo team play - but 4 great Halo 2 FFA players wouldn't necessarily dominate in Halo 2 team play.)
I guess, for me, it boils down to "Team playing is a different skill than solo playing, and its importance was greatly diminished in the first Halo, compared to later games."
Tying this back to your original argument, it seems we agree... to a point. Individual skill is MORE important in Halo than in Halo 2. Where we seem to diverge is that you are suggesting that higher individual skill will necessarily lead to higher team skill... and I'm suggesting that there's not really a correlation (at least in the first game). I will ABSOLUTELY agree that in Halo 2 and 3, teams with greater-skilled players dominated, and I will agree that in the early days of Reach, wins were more unpredictable because there WAS a greater 'random' factor - one that MLG removed over time, leading to fewer upsets and more predictable outcomes. But what I don't see is a greater 'depth' in Halo gameplay that comes from individual skill - what I see is that individual skill level was far more important than the ability to work together as a team. To me... that's LESS depth.
Wow, I didn't expect this to be that long. And now I'm late for a meeting.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
I had no idea they would start shooting so late. I mean, procrastination is what I learned to do well in college, but I figured things changed when you stopped trying to get laid and started tryin to get paid.
HiredN00bs
Member
Salty tears? Yawn? I'm not sure what kind of posts you're talking about. If someone is praising the game in ways that defy logic, or simply saying things like "Forge is perfect!" they deserve to be called out, at least to further explain themselves. I haven't really observed this as much as what I posted about, if at all.
And posts like "yawn" or posts about salty tears are any better?
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
+10
Well, at least it's not as bad as Greece! :|
So when's this ad going to start airing?
Heckfu for prez
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
*Sigh*
Anyways, I enjoy you (Juices), Doziz, BigShow, and KyleJ. As much as you guys give me shit for my job preferences, I'd hope I'm not the one not allowing negative opinions on HaloGaf. Negative opinions need to be talked about and brought to light. I may disagree with some of them, but hopefully I never freak out because you posted them
Carry on
EDIT:
This is how I generally get. I don't detest any specific criticism, I detest repetitive criticism.
It's like Kyle but without the funny.
Deputy Moonman
Member
I was around during that time, but I definitely didn't pay attention to the competitive scene back then. But I did want to ask one question about the bolded. Did they fade away because they weren't good at Halo2 or because they didn't like Halo2? Darkman is the only name i recognize out of the players you listed, and I want to say I remember his big thing was FFA's, like he dominated 1v1's and solo play. But I could easily be wrong on that.Okay - let me start off by saying I'm NOT a competitive player; I almost don't feel qualified to ask questions, let alone contribute to the discussion. All I've really got going for me is that I've been around for a long, long time - so if I'm asking dumb questions, be nice about telling me so.
If I'm understanding you correctly, your argument is that Halo (the first one) is the last game where individual skill was more important than the ability to work as a team. (I'm not suggesting that the ability to be a team player isn't a skill - I'm trying to summarize your overall point, that Halo allowed individual skill to shine and gave greater depth to team play than later games did.)
The part I don't get, then, is why the early competitive winners were so quickly eclipsed when Halo 2 came out.
If you look at the early days of competitive gaming (first national championship was in 2002, AGP was pretty active in 2003, MLG kicked off that year), you'll see names like HP Darkman, StrangePurple, Zyos. They dominated at the start (especially when they teamed up to form The Dream Team) - but soon after Halo 2 came out, they ALL faded away. It's like they couldn't adapt to the new game (though the Ogres and Walshy, who'd all been around in 2003, had no trouble doing so).
So if a group of guys could dominate the competitive scene, both individually and as a team, when the game was DEEPER, and rewarded individual play more... why wouldn't they dominate even MORE in a game that became less deep? (Zyos kept playing FFAs through 2006, and then dropped out of professional gaming, but he stopped playing team games in 2005, and the rest of the Dream Team was gone in 2004.)
Part of the answer might be as simple as "the competitive scene wasn't big enough to support them and they went back to school" - the first real contracts weren't signed until mid-2006. But I don't think that's all of it. To me, as an outsider (to the competitive scene), it seemed that players that were BETTER individually (in Halo) had more trouble adapting to the team dynamics of Halo 2 - it's not that Halo's team play is deeper, it's that Halo's team dynamics are LESS important than the individual skills of the members of the team. (That is: four great FFA players could easily dominate in Halo team play - but 4 great Halo 2 FFA players wouldn't necessarily dominate in Halo 2 team play.)
I guess, for me, it boils down to "Team playing is a different skill than solo playing, and its importance was greatly diminished in the first Halo, compared to later games."
Tying this back to your original argument, it seems we agree... to a point. Individual skill is MORE important in Halo than in Halo 2. Where we seem to diverge is that you are suggesting that higher individual skill will necessarily lead to higher team skill... and I'm suggesting that there's not really a correlation (at least in the first game). I will ABSOLUTELY agree that in Halo 2 and 3, teams with greater-skilled players dominated, and I will agree that in the early days of Reach, wins were more unpredictable because there WAS a greater 'random' factor - one that MLG removed over time, leading to fewer upsets and more predictable outcomes. But what I don't see is a greater 'depth' in Halo gameplay that comes from individual skill - what I see is that individual skill level was far more important than the ability to work together as a team. To me... that's LESS depth.
Wow, I didn't expect this to be that long. And now I'm late for a meeting.
Poker Face
Member
no manual...?