I love how they look and their diversity, but they're just not easily recognizable because of the usually muted colour palette and the sheer amount of them that look similar.
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You guys are nuts, Halo 4's medals are the best yet, we just don't get to see enough of them.
It's really dumb how they added a second objective feed on the left side of your HUD for messages like "WE'VE GOT A NEW KING" when it did just fine in the other feed in the past.
It's really dumb how they added a second objective feed on the left side of your HUD for messages like "WE'VE GOT A NEW KING" when it did just fine in the other feed in the past.
NullPointer
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I think if AAs continue as they are in future Halos, this really needs to happen.
Reach was gritty because that story was supposed to be a sad one. Everyone dying and shit. It wouldn't feel right if kept the saturday morning cartoon colors of the previous Halos. It wasn't because they were tying to copy COD. At least in that one aspect.
Armor Abilities need to go. It's the difference between playing Madden and Nfl Blitz. Not the same game.
Armor Abilities need to go. It's the difference between playing Madden and Nfl Blitz. Not the same game.
Eh, I like Halo 4's. There's so much else going on (which is another matter) and you get more medals, so I like them plinking on. Most are still recognizable despite the desaturated color scheme because they're more graphic than the Reach ones.
I still wish center text wasn't there, because after playing I've gotten to know the points system so well that's really all I need. +10? regular kill. +15? Avenger. Et al.
Indeed. Jetpack was nice, but that was the most obvious AA anyhow. Promethean Vision effect is cool too, but a better indicator *before* they use it would be better.
The downside of this would be you'd have to lessen armor permutations so that people could read the armor mods, but I'm all for going back to the Halo 3 armor system of just a few sets, and letting them go crazy on detail colors, skins, and visor colors.
You're not the only one.
I don't agree with this, though. I genuinely believe they do care, but they're currently on holiday after the game shipped, as well as taking a break for christmas. When the time's right I'm sure they'll respond and react to criticism. Will that be enough to satiate us? More than likely not. But they will address it eventually, when the time's right.
And I like writing my thoughts down because it helps me come to a greater, more holistic assessment of the game.
What annoying me the most is that they have markers for the ordnance drops but half the time they barely even come up. Its the most inconstant thing ever, sometimes its a straight line with a blank text, sometimes it outright just doesnt show or the text of the drop is wrong (You get grenades but shows a Railgun icon for example).
If you are going to do the whole we must message the players about everything on the battlefield then do it correctly. If its going to be inconsistent then just remove it.
If you are going to do the whole we must message the players about everything on the battlefield then do it correctly. If its going to be inconsistent then just remove it.
The Real Napsta
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Where can I read/see more about this Reach DMR on harvest?
Syphon Filter
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not at all,they are easy to get therefore have no value.
Hey, if you can recognize them at a glance, more power to you. I can't, not nearly as well as I could in past games. Color was a big part of what informed me before, and I just haven't gotten used to it.
Even beyond the bugginess of some of those elements, sometimes the design decisions they've made for the sake of the pace they're trying to create takes away important feedback elements. For example, I'm a flag carrier. The enemy team has just dropped my flag. I do not get a flag marker for the location of my flag when I am carrying the enemy's flag. Why? I'm a player like any other, I have a gun (that the developer has very graciously given me), if I can defend the flag I will, but the game decided that I don't get that information and all of a sudden I'm a potentially shitty teammate. Is shouting DELIVER at me going to help more than "hey maybe use the extra power we've given you to stop them from getting the final cap?" Why do callsigns not appear over the head of the objective carrier anymore? I want to know who has the ball at any given time so I can direct them to use the skills I know they are best at, instead of just saying "hey ball guy!" It is truly astounding sometimes. It's these tiny things that all snowball together that kind of kill some of these gametypes for me.
The Antitype
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If anything, my time with Halo 4 has given me even greater appreciation for Bungie's experiment with Reach. It was very much an attempt to mesh the best elements of Halo with the best elements of Shadowrun, and it was clearly done with an explicit mindset of not going too far off the CoD cliff.
It offered the class flexibility for players to adjust their character based on their preferred playstyle, but it was never a reward for time put in and everybody always had access to the same weapons and abilities from day one.
Leveling up? Purely cosmetic.
Abilities/Perks? Defensive or neutral, never granting offensive advantage in a firefight...(in theory... took some balancing to get that right, I'll admit)
Bloom wasn't perfect, but look what happens when you take a weapon like the DMR out of it's original environment? It's hilariously unbalanced, rendering the other rifles pointless. In Reach, bloom ensured players couldn't use it as effectively outside it's intended range, so you sacrificed accuracy for firing-rate in tight, or at extended range. Now? Why unequip the damn thing? You can rattle off 5 shots cross-map just as well as you can in-close or at mid-range. Poor little BR users...
The population numbers for Reach in mid-2012, almost 2 years after release, were better than Halo 4 is right now, a month or two after release. People can piss all over Reach all they want, but more people played it and enjoyed it for longer, it seems, than Halo 4: CoD Edition.
MrGreencastle
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Yeah a lot of the new medals aren't really rewarding the player for doing something well, they're just describing what is happening, without any extra effort by being made by the player. Like Distraction, or General Kill. What's crappy is they also took out a lot of good medals, like sniper headshot, and any of the weapon based sprees.
Please tell me you have more liverpool reaction gifs/images
Bloom wasn't perfect, but look what happens when you take a weapon like the DMR out of it's original environment? It's hilariously unbalanced, rendering the other rifles pointless. In Reach, bloom ensured players couldn't use it as effectively outside it's intended range, so you sacrificed accuracy for firing-rate in tight, or at extended range. Now? Why unequip the damn thing? You can rattle off 5 shots cross-map just as well as you can in-close or at mid-range. Poor little BR users...
What is wrong with using one weapon you like? People like you should mind your own business and stop trying to dictate what weapons or how many weapons people should use.
Rickenslacker
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People died in every Halo game. By the end of CE you were the only one left of the human forces introduced.
Boltshot.
The Antitype
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If you don't understand why it's bad for a utility weapon to be the best option in most any scenario, then I don't really know where to start...
Poker Face
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yea seriously wtf 343, i love the rockets. just let me fuckin use em on spawn
The Henery
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I think when 343 took over, they made really, really promising sounds, touched on all the right bases in the forums... when, during the Halo 4 trailer reveal,posters recoiled in horror at seeing Master Chief with jet propulsion firing from his back to the sounds of Reach's jetpack, Frankie basically intoned that it wasn't a jetpack (which would suggest he recognised people disliked the jetpack and therefore had to quash rumours of its return).
That Reach patch really made all the right noises too. Removing bloom? Adding a three shot pistol? Adding bleedthrough? Removing fall damage (touted at the time)? Nerfing the appalling Armour Lock and Camo? Man these guys really understand Halo!
Then, when the slate's clean in Halo 4, they bring back Camo, Jetpack (albeit slightly nerfed) and create the Hardlight Shield (AL with movement and nade vulnerability). Bizarre.
Such an important factor in why AA's damage Halo's combat.
Halo 4's medals are completely inferior. Their worst crime though, is their complete anonymity on the in game UI.
xxjuicesxx
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Yea that hasnt worked for any of the Halos............
It’s just borderline hilarious that simplification has caused more problems than solved it. The fact that they were not really problems before that really didn’t need a reinvention but more of a smallish fix or tweak makes it really baffling as to why such drastic changes were implemented.
The Antitype
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Honestly? I think Reach was closest. DMR was amazing at mid-range, a liability at close-range, and good for pestering but difficult to finish a kill with at long range.
How I miss the Sharpshooter or Be The Bullet medals. And I don't seem to be getting a Perfection medal for my Slayer games any more. On top of that it's near impossible to tell the medals apart since they're so small, pop up for a such a short time and the designs are horrible compared to past Halos. Especially when playing in split screen. (which has a whole range of other issues including performance, killfeed and scoreboard readability, reticule not scaled, list goes on)
Oh, and where did the Top Medals go in post game? Wait, they probably removed it since you only have about 5 seconds before the next game starts. (which usually results in players quitting. JIP mostly fixes a problem Halo 4 creates)
Go ahead. You'll just probably blow yourself up cause you stink.
Btw, you guys are so wrong about the AA notifier thing. You can run into a team of ALers. You're still going to deal with that shit. How does knowing they have AL before you first engage in combat change anything? Seriously.
Also, can you actually spawn with Rockets in H4?
The Antitype
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Are we talking about AL as it launched with the game, or the updated AL that chewed through shields as it was being used, had some pass-through damage, and was not resilient to sticky grenades?
Nobody is arguing that AL was the prototype for a perfectly-balanced AA, but knowing what you're dealing with ahead of time would allow most anybody to alter their tactics accordingly rather than be surprised and caught in a bad situation.
Rickenslacker
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You think about your options and adjust accordingly. If I see a guy with AL I wouldn't think to throw plasmas or splatter, for instance.
The DMR was godly at any range, especially with zero bloom. It was twice as effective as the DMR because it could damage opponents from the other end of the map, and had a souped up zoom to facilitate this. Hitting an opponent with the DMR at close range was barely any harder than with a BR.
Well, technically, you and Sergeant Johnson get home in one piece, or a total of five people get off Alpha Halo and don't make it back. And most of the ODSTs are about to escape but are killed to stop the Flood. But yeah.
I see how it happens. It's admirable that they wanted to make everything more accessible, but as far as I can see, none of the steps they took were executed very well or were appropriate as global changes :/
It was on the Game Results page of the postgame carnage report, which showed the overall results of a match (team score vs. team score), and for some reason that entire page was removed. So yeah, you have to add up individual scores to get team scores now and nobody can see which medals the game considers to be most important (which is hilarious because Waypoint classifies them as gold, silver, and bronze, so they have invisible importance).
The Antitype
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The DMR was godly at any range, especially with zero bloom. It was twice as effective as the DMR because it could damage opponents from the other end of the map, and had a souped up zoom to facilitate this. Hitting an opponent with the DMR at close range was barely any harder than with a BR.
Well yeah, with zero bloom. I'm talking about with bloom.
With bloom, if you wanted to kill somebody at close range in the time it would take them to shred your shields with an AR or any other shorter-range weapon, then you had to hammer the trigger fast. And doing so, increased the bloom, reducing your accuracy. So while yes, you could do it, it was a gamble because the chances of your shots landing decreased. Meanwhile, that dude with the AR, or the shotgun, or the needler, or whatever didn't have the same issue.
Rickenslacker
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Johnson was retconned into proper continuity like the NPCs in Half-Life, haha. I just mean that on its face CE presents you as a sole survivor and everyone you come in contact with ending up dead. The colourful artstyle doesn't get in the way of that.
Haha, wasn't belaboring your point. But yeah, I like the shiny purple Ghosts and such. While the new indigo looks fine on its own it makes the vehicles harder to see.
The Antitype
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I would like to know what sorcery allows a dude to kill me in one shot with a scattershot from just under mid-range.
I mean, WTF? I can't get that thing to kill somebody in one shot if I was in tea-bagging distance.
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I don't tea-bag people, it's stupid. That said, it's a really close distance, right?
I mean, WTF? I can't get that thing to kill somebody in one shot if I was in tea-bagging distance.
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I don't tea-bag people, it's stupid. That said, it's a really close distance, right?
Moa
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The Antitype
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What are you having issues with Fozzy?
And here lies the problem.
Forcing the player to time their shots wasn't conducive to the sandbox, because players could spam the trigger, especially at close ranges, and defeat an opponent that's timing their shots, a mechanic that's advertised as the path to success.
If you tell a player that there's a blooming reticle, it implies that you must wait until the reticle resets before firing again, but it was perfectly possible to hit opponents mid bloom in Reach, which made for very clumsy, often unrewarding, and what felt like unfair firefights.
Bloom made each and every encounter frustrating because the player was never sure if the opponent had abused bloom to kill them. There was a constant, lingering doubt that it was the arbitrary bloom mechanic that swung the fate of each duel, rather than a player's ability to aim and manoeuvre.
The DMR was designed with bloom in mind, and once they removed it, it was an absolute monster. That it then made it over to Halo 4, barely altered, baffled me. Its range completely destroys larger maps, and negates the need for a BR in nearly all situations (as long as the player is competent with the firing rate).
You believe that having a utility weapon that is useful in all scenarios is bad.
Well, now people can say it was the better ordnance drop or whatnot.
Personally, I never really felt that bloom defeated me, rather than the other player, except in long-range battles. But I wasn't a big competitive guy anyhow, and I didn't play much reach before the TU hit (though I played vanilla plenty afterwards.)
NullPointer
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Useful is putting it mildly. Its designed to be a mid to long range weapon. It has a little too much utility at closer ranges.
it's wildly inconsistent. sometimes I don't mind it's range and then at times it kills me one shot from 10 feet away. same with the boltshot (not to mention, spawning with a shotgun is stupid)
Exactly, the random element should be avoided when possible.
Does bloom really offer much that a fixed firing rate doesn't? Not really. It was meant to prevent fast trigger spamming at long distances, but it didn't really work. What it did do, in its quest to balance these longer encounters, was pollute the mid and close range combat with the weapon. There just wasn't a need for players to ever have access to those kinds of long shots from spawn, anyway. The sandbox wasn't calling for players to spawn with a portable death star, let the sniper have its niche.
The Antitype
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*shrugs* Fair enough. For me, from day one, it was clear that the DMR was designed as a mid-range powerhouse with pestering abilities at long-range. At close range, timing your shots wouldn't give you a fast-enough rate of fire to compete with spammers, and spamming the trigger wouldn't give you reliable accuracy.
The best option? Don't use the DMR in close range. Use map position, AAs, etc, to ensure the battle is fought on your terms, and if you have to push into close range, switch to a shorter range weapon.
I agree entirely that if two DMR users push forward in a DMR battle into close range, you're going to have a really clumsy, inaccurate duel.
The system wasn't perfect but again, it was better than the unchanged, zero-bloom DMR in Halo 4.
Honestly, when I heard they were bringing the BR, AND the DMR, AND the zoom magnum, AND the AR back for Halo 4, it just seemed like a fan-service move more than anything...
NullPointer
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Well they got the AR right this time.
He's talking about all Halo's, not just Halo 4.
He said having a utility weapon that is good in all scenarios is bad for Halo. Yet we have Halo CE, Halo 2, and even Halo 3 to an extent where the main utility weapon was useful in all ranges and all those games played perfectly fine.
The Antitype
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Uh huh.
Re-read it. I never said anything of the sort.
I said that a utility weapon should not be the BEST option in most any scenario.
The DMR is a utility weapon that is effective at mid-range, long range, and even short range. It is overpowered.
Syphon Filter
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AR was perfect in Halo 3. Great weapon to start too.
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