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Halo |OT4| Trust's a Tough Thing to Come by These Days
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Hydranockz
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Exactly. You get extra kills in vehicles but the ebb and flow always persisted. Without some reason for vehicles to hold off or be destroyed, scores will be lopsided.
HigherLevel
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You mean that tiny red line that you can hardly see and if you do see it it's usually already too late? Or that noise you can hardly hear because your gunner is shooting at someone? (Maybe I could hear it with my headphones but without them I've never heard the laser before I got killed with it) You can't even hear the Plasma Launcher that well in BTB most of the time and thing makes a lot of noise if you use it on a map like Boardwalk.
Also, the sniper is harder to aim with (small reticule, relatively small target vs big reticule and a big target) and it will only kill one soldier (in one shot), not an entire vehicle with possibly multiple people in it. I just feel like you shouldn't die out of nowhere in a vehicle because it's, you know, a vehicle. Just feels wrong.
I say; replace the Laser with a Plasma Launcher that has faster projectiles but gives a warning to the targeted vehicle via a beeping noise not unlike the one heard when you're locked on by a missile pod.
In H3, didn't it take two shots with the laser to kill the scorpion tank and wraith, which took somewhere between 6-8 seconds...?
The problem with that is you describe a problem with netcode, not the weapon.
HigherLevel
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If Halo 4 has no laser people will start complaining about how vehicles dominate too much. Projectile weapons are too easy to avoid.
By getting hit by one you can out-maneuver. If you're getting shot by a BR or DMR, you're suppose to be capable of out smarting, or out-strafing your opponent. Now look at it from the vehicle standpoint. There's no capability to dodge a Laser blast. None whatsoever.
Wraiths and Scorpions are tanks, they're suppose to be powerful. Plus Scorpions were only on one map by design in Halo 2 and 3, and it wasn't over-powerful in there because of the map design around it. They're both big targets, and painfully slow. Regular heavy weapons before took them down fine.xxjuicesxx said:
The Banshee can be outclassed by a Rocket locking on, but if the design is terrible, see: Reach Banshee, it's going to get crap ton more kills than usual.
Rockets in The Pit can't shoot a moving person(s) across the map with pinpoint accuracy.
Now look at it from the infantry standpoint, I have no capability to dodge a tank round, or cannon from banshee for that matter.
No but the snipe can - oh and you have a ton of ammo too.
Demoncarnotaur
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Yeah, laser just isn't fair in terms of its range, accuracy and lack of warning. I definitely prefer lock on rockets.
Speaking of which, I wish we would get a warning like Halo 4 when locked on. Also, since the Falcon has relatively no evasive maneuvers, I wonder if giving the pilot flares would have been a good idea.. Just make em take a while to recharge, so if someone shoots one rocket and they flare off the other rocket will still have a solid lock.
Speaking of which, I wish we would get a warning like Halo 4 when locked on. Also, since the Falcon has relatively no evasive maneuvers, I wonder if giving the pilot flares would have been a good idea.. Just make em take a while to recharge, so if someone shoots one rocket and they flare off the other rocket will still have a solid lock.
The Scorpion has never been a good fit for matchmaking, using it as an example when Bungie keeps having to take it out of Big Team specifically because it is too dominating doesn't help your point. If you want to bring the Wraith into this, then sure, you can dodge that thing pretty easily. The Banshee bomb is a huge point of contention here, the vehicle was better off without the massive Reach version. Why use examples of obviously shitty things to defend another shitty thing?
No, balancing bad game mechanics (massively overpowered vehicles) by introducing more bad game mechanics (a one hit triple kill cross map point and shoot death gun) is not a good solution, this same argument has been had about countless other things.
I am well aware of that, netcode needs to be better in Halo 4 for the laser to work properly
Then you are missing my point... it's not too dominating if the laser is in the game.
I'd be ok with that. Although please no flares for air vehicles, that gets so annoying in BF3.
Halo 4 needs laser starts.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Ever hear of Heavies? trollolololol
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Damn, Halo Reach is awful
ElzarTheBam
Member
I believe him.
The Scorpion was never a good vehicle to have in the game because of how strong it was. Containment was the only map, like mentioned, and it played fine given the overall map design. You can dodge plasma cannon in a Banshee, and you can dodge a Wraith blast easily, as well. Now if you want to argue how over-powerful a Scorpion blast or Banshee's fuel rod, then go ahead. I never liked them implementing the fuel rod back into the Banshee in the first place.
It has three distinct problems, as noted by many in here: lack of warning (you do not have the same mobility moving left, right, forward, and back like you do on foot), pinpoint accuracy no matter the distance, and its blast radius.
Not if there's a viable primary anti-vehicular weapon that doesn't have as many problems as the laser does: see lock-on Rockets and Reach's Plasma Launcher.
ViewtifulJC
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Don't worry Demon, read the description. When he uploaded it, he didn't know that Frankie already confirmed no Flood.
Honest mistake
The Librarian
Banned
The laser isn't balanced at all. It's not slow enough to fire, you couldn't hear it charging unless you're right next to it, and I would argue five shots is too many (two or three would be better). It was far too easy to aim because of the huge reticule and the zoom.
And by saying this I know you're missing the point. There are many problems with it, as I have listed, but a more accurate description would be it's too easy to get kills with.
Demoncarnotaur
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The Flood.
lol
lol
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Hey, I think I saw the Flood in Prometheus!
Hitmonchan107
Member
Just searched Microsoft's trademark filings. So many new avatar games. :^(
It warns you more than any other weapon in the game, it has no better accuracy than a rocket or sniper in their respective ranges, and... it's a laser.
Im_So_Pringles
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I got spoiled in a Halo thread!? GODDAMNIT
I should get u4ix to do the screenshots.
I will be on tonight around 10ish, Halo?
Blue Ninja
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I hope not, I am leaving in exactly ten minutes to go see it. :lol
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I haven't seen Prometheus! Just a guess! I have no idea if the new Flood Warriors are there or not!
Hydranockz
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Laser is a vehicle sniper through and through. Any infantry firing at a laser holder stand at great odds to win. It's this reason that a good team who happen to lose the laser can still put pressure on the laser without sacrificing vehicle deaths.
go on.....
Sikamikanico
#1 Dad
Anyone fancy coming online and testing an Objective map? Need like...7 people. :/
1vs100?
I can come later on (1h maybe?)... hopefully there are others as well
Gabotron ES
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Linky?
Wow go Risen. It's not fun to die buy one sure, but I agree with everything Risen said. To make it more "fair" I'd add a longer louder sound too it that perhaps is heard if the laser is pointed in your general direction. Maybe it could also strip the shields of the person wielding it.
I feel it should be similar to any other power weapon though, "laser's up" and either go get with your vehicle, or lay low while your teammates take care of it.
I don't feel he is missing the point at all but is nailing it pretty well. Striker's example sucks to have happen, but I think that can be attributed more to the fact that the Falcon is a slower moving air vehicle, the laser is a huge threat for it.
Doesn't the Reach laser have less shots?
I feel it should be similar to any other power weapon though, "laser's up" and either go get with your vehicle, or lay low while your teammates take care of it.
I don't feel he is missing the point at all but is nailing it pretty well. Striker's example sucks to have happen, but I think that can be attributed more to the fact that the Falcon is a slower moving air vehicle, the laser is a huge threat for it.
Doesn't the Reach laser have less shots?
Because they don't have to take something out that moves 5x faster, is 5x stronger, and has 5x more firepower than the person holding the rockets.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
This may be the first time I agree with Kyle.
Gabotron ES
Member
oh lol, thanks
The Real Napsta
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I always thought the laser was fine, I had never heard anyone complain about it until I started posting here.
No one should be complaining about getting lasered while in a vehicle. Your team shouldn't be in vehicles if you don't have laser control.
No one should be complaining about getting lasered while in a vehicle. Your team shouldn't be in vehicles if you don't have laser control.