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[Overdoziz]

The laser shouldn't be on big open maps just like the sniper shouldn't (lol Hemorrhage).

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I do want to say whoever came up with the analogy that getting in a vehicle is like signing an invisible contract is brilliant.

 

[Hitmonchan107]

go on.....

I did a quick Google search. All old news.

- Avatar Famestar
- Avatar Motocross

Other games:

- Wreckateer
- Adera

Of course, those are just the first-party titles that have been trademarked.

 

[heckfu]

OK

Use your words to say more things.

 

[Kibbles]

So what happened to that magazine that was supposed to come out a couple days ago with new Halo 4 stuff?

 

[TheOddOne]

So what happened to that magazine that was supposed to come out a couple days ago with new Halo 4 stuff?

Nothing in it, just some blurbs from Kiki and Josh. No new screens, no new info and no mentions of Frank saying "sleeps".

 

[Computron]

Problem with those saying the laser is "perfect". If there was any network issues the red marker would not show up for you so one second you were there and then next you are dust without any previous warning. Now if that is fixed in Halo 4 that would be great.

Don't most slightly skilled players try to obscure their beam while it's charging anyway?

 

[GhaleonEB]

I always thought the laser was fine, I had never heard anyone complain about it until I started posting here.

No one should be complaining about getting lasered while in a vehicle. Your team shouldn't be in vehicles if you don't have laser control.

I heard complains about the laser in the Beta (Valhalla hill) and pretty much every day of Halo 3's run. All justified, IMO; Valhalla would have played much better with the rockets (and did, in customs), and Avalanche in particular benefited from its removal. I had a custom version of Avalanche with the laser swapped for the missile pod, and it played much better, and more fair.

 

[senador]

The laser shouldn't be on big open maps just like the sniper shouldn't (lol Hemorrhage).

Do you consider Valhalla a wide open map? I thought it was fine on that map, but I'd agree otherwise.

I do want to say whoever came up with the analogy that getting in a vehicle is like signing an invisible contract is brilliant.

Agreed!

 

[Hitmonchan107]

And apparently there's going to be a new League of Legends -- Supremacy. Cool.

 

[Overdoziz]

Do you consider Valhalla a wide open map? I thought it was fine on that map, but I'd agree otherwise.

I consider a map from you can see 75% of the map from one point open, yes.

 

[Computron]

I heard complains about the laser in the Beta (Valhalla hill) and pretty much every day of Halo 3's run. All justified, IMO; Valhalla would have played much better with the rockets (and did, in customs), and Avalanche in particular benefited from its removal. I had a custom version of Avalanche with the laser swapped for the missile pod, and it played much better, and more fair.

Do you think the lazer is good on any map, needs some tweaking or just needs to be removed?


I think it could be interesting if they made it charge like a reverse hammer of dawn. It would require open sky for the duration of the charge, so that the player could not hide, and you would see a lazer coming down from the sky to charge up the wielder before they could fire.

 

[HigherLevel]

The battle to control the laser and hill in Valhalla is part of what made it such a great map.

 

[Toddler]

Do you think the lazer is good on any map, needs some tweaking or just needs to be removed?


I think it could be interesting if they made it charge like a reverse hammer of dawn. It would require open sky for the duration of the charge, so that the player could not hide, and you would see a lazer coming down from the sky to charge up the wielder before they could fire.

Target Locator in MP?

 

[Steelyuhas]

The problem with that is you describe a problem with netcode, not the weapon.

You have to take into account how the weapon is going to perform in a real environment though, and the fact was that the warning/aiming light didn't appear a lot of the, especially in something like BTB, where in my experience it rarely showed up and your vehicle would just explode out of nowhere.

No, balancing bad game mechanics (massively overpowered vehicles) by introducing more bad game mechanics (a one hit triple kill cross map point and shoot death gun) is not a good solution, this same argument has been had about countless other things.

This.

 

[senador]

I consider a map from you can see 75% of the map from one point open, yes.

I figured but wanted to check. I saw and participated in many long warthog runs on that map. I feel the laser was fine on Valhalla.

The battle to control the laser and hill in Valhalla is part of what made it such a great map.

Very much agreed.

 

[Sikamikanico]

I can come later on (1h maybe?)... hopefully there are others as well

Cool. I'll probably be on from around 8pm onwards. Feel free to sling me an FR.

 

[Fracas]

Anyone fancy coming online and testing an Objective map? Need like...7 people. :/

I don't know if you already have a group or something, but I'll more than likely be on tonight, if you're still wanting to play then. I can probably get 2-3 more people then as well.

 

[Steelyuhas]

That hill on Vahalla was such a dominating position that you could have not had a power weapon even there and the emphasis on fighting for position of that hill probably wouldn't change much.

 

[Falagard]

They should remove the laser and put in heat seeking guided rockets like Halo 2, with the exception that you have to keep the reticle on the target vehicle for it to track to the target, with the target vehicle getting a lock on warning when it is being tracked.

Unreal Tournament 2004 had that for a rocket launcher and it rocked.

a) It has the benefit of not being and instant kill weapon, it gives the vehicle a chance to try to get under cover to dodge the rocket
b) It's not a fire and forget weapon, you usually need to be in the open and keep your target in the reticle for it to work

 

[HigherLevel]

That hill on Vahalla was such a dominating position that you could have not had a power weapon even there and the emphasis on fighting for position of that hill probably wouldn't change much.

I disagree. It would have still been important, but no power weapon would have reduced the importance drastically.

 

[Overdoziz]

Warthog gunners in Halo 3 are surprisingly useful. Puts the Reach ones to shame.

 

[Striker]

I always thought the laser was fine, I had never heard anyone complain about it until I started posting here.

No one should be complaining about getting lasered while in a vehicle. Your team shouldn't be in vehicles if you don't have laser control.

1. You have people who like AR rush beatdowns, Orbital, Regens, Armor Lock, etc. I'm not going to be surprised one bit that people defend a weapon that is capable of getting a triple kill across the map by a single shot.

2. So in this instance, see Valhalla and Standoff. One team gains control of the Laser, and your plan is to not use vehicles. So now what? You're boned, because you're going to get Banshee'd, you're going to get run down by the Warthog, and you're going to get splattered - you're toast. That's how those maps went most of the time, and the account of that is the Laser -- how everything else was built around it (over-powered vehicles). Made gameplay very repetitive and greatly annoying to play in the long run.

I don't feel he is missing the point at all but is nailing it pretty well. Striker's example sucks to have happen, but I think that can be attributed more to the fact that the Falcon is a slower moving air vehicle, the laser is a huge threat for it.

Doesn't the Reach laser have less shots?

My point wasn't that the Falcon had less mobility than any other vehicle sans a tank, but it's the idea of not being able to pull out of a situation, without introducing any BS mechanics, because the other team shot at you.

It's like comparing it to the Rockets in Pit. Makes no sense. If you're in a one on one confrontation with somebody using Rockets, you can still kill them despite them firing, because you're able to out-maneuver and time the jumps. There's no feasible defense in comparison in getting shot at with a Laser.

Warthog gunners in Halo 3 are surprisingly useful. Puts the Reach ones to shame.

Would like to think Reach's chaingun is probably the most well rounded in the series, sans any over-heating. 2's was pretty weak and 3's was without question too strong.

 

[HigherLevel]

You can't really use the chaingun in Reach with the warthog always being upside down.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

1. You have people who like AR rush beatdowns, Orbital, Regens, Armor Lock, etc. I'm not going to be surprised one bit that people defend a weapon that is capable of getting a triple kill across the map by a single shot.

2. So in this instance, see Valhalla and Standoff. One team gains control of the Laser, and your plan is to not use vehicles. So now what? You're boned, because you're going to get Banshee'd, you're going to get run down by the Warthog, and you're going to get splattered - you're toast. That's how those maps went most of the time, and the account of that is the Laser -- how everything else was built around it (over-powered vehicles). Made gameplay very repetitive and greatly annoying to play in the long run.


My point wasn't that the Falcon had less mobility than any other vehicle sans a tank, but it's the idea of not being able to pull out of a situation, without introducing any BS mechanics, because the other team shot at you.

It's like comparing it to the Rockets in Pit. Makes no sense. If you're in a one on one confrontation with somebody using Rockets, you can still kill them despite them firing, because you're able to out-maneuver and time the jumps. There's no feasible defense in comparison in getting shot at with a Laser.

Would like to think Reach's chaingun is probably the most well rounded in the series, sans any over-heating. 2's was pretty weak and 3's was without question too strong.

Yeah this was my experience. team slayer games where the worst for this on standoff getting hog and laser in the map = instant win. I don't think the initial weapon rush should affect the game that much. I preferred standoff when hogs and laser was out of play.

Standoff was an easy win, but gameplay wise was very repetitive unless both teams where good enough to stalemate over hogs and laser takin them out of the game.

 

[Overdoziz]

Would like to think Reach's chaingun is probably the most well rounded in the series, sans any over-heating. 2's was pretty weak and 3's was without question too strong.

I'm talking about AI marines using the chaingun.

 

[senador]

Just found Battlefield friends. Shit is hilarious.

That hill on Vahalla was such a dominating position that you could have not had a power weapon even there and the emphasis on fighting for position of that hill probably wouldn't change much.

I disagree. It would have still been important, but no power weapon would have reduced the importance drastically.

I dunno, hard to say now, especially since its been engrained in everyone's minds. Maybe, maybe not. I think the laser did have a lot to do with it though.

My point wasn't that the Falcon had less mobility than any other vehicle sans a tank, but it's the idea of not being able to pull out of a situation, without introducing any BS mechanics, because the other team shot at you.

It's like comparing it to the Rockets in Pit. Makes no sense. If you're in a one on one confrontation with somebody using Rockets, you can still kill them despite them firing, because you're able to out-maneuver and time the jumps. There's no feasible defense in comparison in getting shot at with a Laser.

I know you weren't saying that, but I feel that the Falcon's maneuverability has a lot to do with your example.

 

[Sai-kun]

My favorite part of the laser on Valhalla was using it to laser folks out of the sky when they'd inevitably try to come back after we'd taken the hill. It wasn't hard to do but it looked really cool. B)

 

[The Librarian]

Warthog gunners in Halo 3 are surprisingly useful. Puts the Reach ones to shame.

They're pretty useful in about every vehicle.

I dunno, hard to say now, especially since its been engrained in everyone's minds. Maybe, maybe not. I think the laser did have a lot to do with it though.

I remember more from GAF customs, with the rockets in the center, more people used more of the map.

 

[ElRenoRaven]

I heard complains about the laser in the Beta (Valhalla hill) and pretty much every day of Halo 3's run. All justified, IMO; Valhalla would have played much better with the rockets (and did, in customs), and Avalanche in particular benefited from its removal. I had a custom version of Avalanche with the laser swapped for the missile pod, and it played much better, and more fair.

Yup. The laser was the worst addition to Halo weapon wise. I hate it even worse then the insane auto lock on rockets we had in Halo 2. That's one reason I've always edited it out and replaced it just like you did in Halo 3. The game plays so much better without it. Vehicles are also the one area I feel The first 2 games got it right. 1 if you like the indestructible vehicles and 2 if you liked the destructible vehicles. After those 2 it felt like the vehicles started a slide downward quality wise with 3's being barely useful and Reach's being totally useless except the broken Banshee.

 

[HigherLevel]

Yup. The laser was the worst addition to Halo weapon wise. I hate it even worse then the insane auto lock on rockets we had in Halo 2. That's one reason I've always edited it out and replaced it just like you did in Halo 3. The game plays so much better without it. Vehicles are also the one area I feel The first 2 games got it right. 1 if you like the indestructible vehicles and 2 if you liked the destructible vehicles. After those 2 it felt like the vehicles started a slide downward quality wise with 3's being barely useful and Reach's being totally useless except the broken Banshee.

The vehicles in Halo 3 raped more than any of the other games.

Also, I've gotten way too used to the slow speed of Reach. Just played some ranked H3 and it's like a billion times faster.

 

[User 73706]

The vehicles in Halo 3 raped more than any of the other games.

Also, I've gotten way too used to the slow speed of Reach. Just played some ranked H3 and it's like a billion times faster.

They exchanged loading times for kill times.

 

[Overdoziz]

The vehicles in Halo 3 raped more than any of the other games.

Well now you've done it.

 

[Sikamikanico]

I don't know if you already have a group or something, but I'll more than likely be on tonight, if you're still wanting to play then. I can probably get 2-3 more people then as well.

I do not, just hoping for a few people to appear as the evening progresses.

 

[Sai-kun]

Well now you've done it.

i hear sirens guys.

 

[kylej]

Rape Culture is the name of my new post-punk band.

 

[Overdoziz]

i hear sirens guys.

I hear Cyren's guys.

 

[User 73706]

i hear whistles guys.

ftfy

 

[feel]

The vehicles in Halo 3 raped more than any of the other games.

Also, I've gotten way too used to the slow speed of Reach. Just played some ranked H3 and it's like a billion times faster.

Halogaf, I got this:

So what you're saying is that you're ok with rape?

 

[darthbob]

Halogaf, I got this:

So what you're saying is that you're ok with rape?

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[Brolic Gaoler]

Holy shit that battlefield friends thing is hilarious.

 

[senador]

What the fuck? C'mon guys.

 

[Fracas]

What the fuck? C'mon guys.

Was about to say the same thing.

 

[HigherLevel]

Halogaf, I got this:

So what you're saying is that you're ok with rape?

It's not being used in a literal sense. I mean we're talking about a video game where you you're killing people the entire time. Nobody ever has a problem when you say "killed," "merked," "murdered," or any other synonyms of killed.

 

[Fuchsdh]

And just like that.

 

[Aggrotek]

Can someone tell me if, when I preorder from Walmart, is it shipped or can I pick it up at the store nearest to me?

 

[Fracas]

And just like that.

Microsoft's presentation hasn't started yet.

Spoiler

am i doin it rite

 

[TheOddOne]

Imagine if Devo was here. Holy shit.

 

[Ken]

It's not being used in a literal sense. I mean we're talking about a video game where you you're killing people the entire time. Nobody ever has a problem when you say "killed," "merked," "murdered," or any other synonyms of killed.

So why not just use the word "killed" instead? It's more accurate and less controversial.

 

[Gabotron ES]

Testing invasion maps, join me if you dare!

Gabotron ES