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Halo |OT4| Trust's a Tough Thing to Come by These Days

Woorloog

Banned
I really hope there's at least 6 good BTB maps and they show that stuff off at E3. I really wanna see great vehicular combat return.

Yeah, me too. Also, we need vehicles on smaller maps too, it was a lot of fun in Halo 3 to drive a Ghost or a Warthog in Social Slayer. Though the vehicles should be treated like power weapons, one in the middle and teams should fight over it.
 

m23

Member
Possible, i thought about this too. But i'm not quite sure about that. Ancient Evil bent on destruction and vengeance, that's what the description said right? The problem is that "Evil" doesn't really suit
the Forerunners, Didact specifically
but "vengeance" doesn't suit what you suggested really. Why would they take vengeance on humans? Or the whole galaxy?
Of course the description is likely biased against the new foe, regardless of what it actually is or their motivations.


BTW Spoilers for primordium
The Precursors are bent on taking revenge against the Forerunners for what they did to them. The forerunners may not be bent on destruction and vengeance, but I think that fits with the Precursors perfectly. They were driven away by the Forerunners, their own creations, humans are also their creations if I remember correctly. So the return of the Precursors may mean they are back to take their spot as rulers of the universe. It fits pretty well I think. You're definitely right that the whole "ancient evil" thing doesn't fit with the Forerunners. Also, I think primordium kind of pointed toward the return of the precursors.
 
BTB was better in Halo 3 even though Halo 2 had superior maps. There was so much lag in Halo 2 it was unplayable most of the time.

I think one of the high points of my Halo 2 BTB experience was shooting one of the stalagmites on Waterworks in the beginning of a BTB Slayer match and getting a double kill splatter right off the bat. Keep in mind this was before the whole "getting killed by scenery is just another part of adaption" thing that Halo 3's traffic cone suicides started.
 

Homeboyd

Member
I think one of the high points of my Halo 2 BTB experience was shooting one of the stalagmites on Waterworks in the beginning of a BTB Slayer match and getting a double kill splatter right off the bat. Keep in mind this was before the whole "getting killed by scenery is just another part of adaption" thing that Halo 3's traffic cone suicides started.
*swoon*

Man I hope we have some interactive maps like that in H4.
 

Korosenai

Member
I don't know if this was already posted, though i'm sure it was, but Bungie re-uploaded a bunch of Halo 3 vidocs. I guess this would be a good time to rewatch them again.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
I really hope there's at least 6 good BTB maps and they show that stuff off at E3. I really wanna see great vehicular combat return.

I'd be happy with 3 BTB maps at launch, which is what Reach had, and then add one with each map pack. If they can match or raise the quality of the 3 from Halo 3's launch I'll be happy. I miss BTB so much.
 

Falagard

Member
I'd be happy with 3 BTB maps at launch, which is what Reach had, and then add one with each map pack. If they can match or raise the quality of the 3 from Halo 3's launch I'll be happy. I miss BTB so much.

Me too :-(

The Reach BTB maps were poo at launch, and for me Halo IS BTB.
 
BTB in Reach really needs major work. The things I would do to change it.
-DMR starts only(unless it's changed since I last played it and got some match with ARs)
-No Forge World maps besides Blood Gulch. (this includes the island of suck known as Paradiso)
-DLC required
-remove Banshee
-remove Armor Lock

instantly 100% better
 

Woorloog

Banned
If you guys like BTB, there's a huge tourney this weekend in France for it. These guys are pretty hardcore about it (much like the MLG players in NA). Here's their promo vid.

And that's crossing the line. Competitive BTB is no no for me. Though might still watch this, some of the custom maps looked intersting.

BTB in Reach really needs major work. The things I would do to change it.
-DMR starts only(unless it's changed since I last played it and got some match with ARs)
-No Forge World maps besides Blood Gulch. (this includes the island of suck known as Paradiso)
-DLC required
-remove Banshee
-remove Armor Lock

instantly 100% better

DMR+AR starts or DMR+Pistols starts depending on map and mode.
Very good BTB Forge World maps are ok, anything by Bungie is not. Also, all stock maps need tweaking, Spire, for example, has horrible "bases" for teams...
Otherwise i agree.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
BTB in Reach really needs major work. The things I would do to change it.
-DMR starts only(unless it's changed since I last played it and got some match with ARs)
-No Forge World maps besides Blood Gulch. (this includes the island of suck known as Paradiso)
-DLC required
-remove Banshee
-remove Armor Lock

instantly 100% better

Armor lock works best in BTB as it gives infantry a mechanic I'd defense against vehicles by multiple people can swarm someone who just holds down the button. It's far more disruptive in smaller games I think.
 

m23

Member
since you mentioned that
it would be cool if humans and forerunners grudgingly became allies to stop the precursors. I really hope we get to see living forerunners, friend or foe.

I'm pretty sure we'll see living forerunners.
The allies part would be pretty epic, but we know the forerunners and humans have been enemies for a long time too. Although, the forerunners would probably be the only ones who know about their war.
I really hope Halo 4 will address some of this stuff, this just got me more excited for the campaign.
 
I'm hoping for Multiplayer and Spartan Ops footage at E3. Campaign needs to stay in the hushed casket.

I have an odd feeling we're going to see the first mission, like they showed at the private Halo 4 party, but I'm hoping I'm wrong.

I'd like to see the rumor of MLG pros playing the game come true, and have a 5 minute game (or something) with features like specializations and AAs being fully utilized. Along with that a REAL in-game trailer, and announcement of clan support.
 

FyreWulff

Member
BTB in Reach really needs major work. The things I would do to change it.
-DMR starts only(unless it's changed since I last played it and got some match with ARs)
-No Forge World maps besides Blood Gulch. (this includes the island of suck known as Paradiso)
-DLC required
-remove Banshee
-remove Armor Lock

instantly 100% better

it's already 100% DMR starts (unless there's some rogue gametype in there) and DLC requirements have already gotten a 'nope'
 
Ich libie dich or something is the only German I know.

Ich libie HaloGAF

No libie Reach

Nailed it
Ich liebe dich = I love you.

Screw people my age. I hate 'em all.

One question: why are you guys obsessed with whipped cream?
Every woman loves the German whipped cream of course.

You didn't get an invite to Grauman's?

Awkward.
Wait? I thought you will show the Montage at the Oscars. Or is that cancelled now?
 

Woorloog

Banned
Anyone up for some Reach within 30min or so?
Preferrably Team Snipers, Team Slayer, Rumble Pit or BTB but anything goes. MLG list is ok but small sandbox gets boring very quickly.
 
Anyone up for some Reach within 30min or so?
Preferrably Team Snipers, Team Slayer, Rumble Pit or BTB but anything goes. MLG list is ok but small sandbox gets boring very quickly.

That is my biggest hope for Halo 4, to expand the sandbox in a way that adds more variety but maintains balance.
I feel like I've been using the same arsenal in Halo competitive gaming for the past 10 years.
The equipment was only scarcely used, same with Reach's AAs.
And really the only new weapon we use is the grenade launcher.
 
its kinda funny how I got inclement weather.. I have a friend over and we are playing Reach together, anyways I had the credits saved and couldn't decide what to spend em on. I leave the room for a minute, come back and keep playing, he keeps laughing, eventually I look at his screen and see I have inclement weather...that jerk, hahaha
 

Woorloog

Banned
That is my biggest hope for Halo 4, to expand the sandbox in a way that adds more variety but maintains balance.
I feel like I've been using the same arsenal in Halo competitive gaming for the past 10 years.
The equipment was only scarcely used, same with Reach's AAs.
And really the only new weapon we use is the grenade launcher.

I never understood what's the deal with AR/Plasma Rifle/etc. in MLG. BR/DMR are better than it for vast majority of situations. Don't see why MLG cannot have a CQB specialist weapon, after all skill in Halo is not just the ability to shoot BR/DMR. (I understand fully if someone says it is boring to use, i admit that AR alone in H3 and Reach is boring). Ease of use cannot be the reason, the rocket launcher is even easier to use (yeah, it is a power weapon but still).

I take it Concussion Rifle's major issue is the pushback? What about other weapons?

And which map has the 'nade launcher on MLG playlist?

Heck I'll play some Reach

Who's on besides woorloog?

Ok, i'll hop in a minute.
 
I never understood what's the deal with AR/Plasma Rifle/etc. in MLG. BR/DMR are better than it for vast majority of situations. Don't see why MLG cannot have a CQB specialist weapon, after all skill in Halo is not just the ability to shoot BR/DMR. (I understand fully if someone says it is boring to use, i admit that AR alone in H3 and Reach is boring). Ease of use cannot be the reason, the rocket launcher is even easier to use (yeah, it is a power weapon but still).

I take it Concussion Rifle's major issue is the pushback? What about other weapons?

And which map has the 'nade launcher on MLG playlist?

In the hands of a good player, the DMR will out preform the AR in any situation.
That is why we don't use it in Reach. It is a practically useless gun.
The "easy to use" weapons are all "power weapons" that are picked up on the map.
In Halo 3, where the AR was effective at close range, we had the Mauler which was a bit more interesting.

I'm not sure why the Concussion Rifle isn't used.
Maybe if it wasn't nerfed so badly between beta and release...

The nade launcher is on Zealot, Penance, and I believe Nexus.
 

Woorloog

Banned
In the hands of a good player, the DMR will out preform the AR in any situation.
That is why we don't use it in Reach. It is a practically useless gun.
The "easy to use" weapons are all "power weapons" that are picked up on the map.
In Halo 3, where the AR was effective at close range, we had the Mauler which was a bit more interesting.

I'm not sure why the Concussion Rifle isn't used.
Maybe if it wasn't nerfed so badly between beta and release...

The nade launcher is on Zealot, Penance, and I believe Nexus.

Ah, i see, so if AR/its Covie counterparts were considerably stronger at close range (without being better at longer range though) they could be used at CQB. I understand what you mean Mauler being a lot more interesting though.

The Conc was better in the beta? Can't remember. To me it feels powerful, though i guess with faster base movement it is weaker.

And now that you mentioned Zealot, i remembered i used the 'nade launcher on Zealot yesterday, got a nice kill with it too, i think. Love that weapon.

EDIT what's the deal with the Needler? I can guess this one...

EDIT Oh yeah, MM challenges today!
EDIT i'm online right now and will be for 4h or so.
 

FyreWulff

Member
In the hands of a good player, the DMR will out preform the AR in any situation.
That is why we don't use it in Reach. It is a practically useless gun.

As of the TU, anyway. But there's a bunch of other problems with the TU, that's just one of them.

Although it got tons better after bleedthrough was removed.
 
I bought Inclement like last week. Yay!

What is the rarest armor effect at this point?

Legendary Flames
Bungie Flames
Inclement

...

Hearts?

Also, did we ever find out what happened to that mysterious 343i helmet?

 

FyreWulff

Member
I bought Inclement like last week. Yay!

What is the rarest armor effect at this point?

Legendary Flames
Bungie Flames
Inclement

...

Hearts?

If I were to take a guess... either Legendary Flames or Pestilence.

Did we ever do the whole-party-of-Grunt-Birthday-Party yet?

Also, did we ever find out what happened to that mysterious 343i helmet?


Cancelled, the dolls on the Anni maps are a reference to it.


What if the Plasma Pistol overcharge didn't do all of its damage at once but took a second or two as it drains your shields, slightly nullifying the 'noob combo'. It would make a better secondary in Halo 4 that way, and would present some interesting situations.

I always thought the overheat animation should prevent you from switching weapons.
 
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