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Halo |OT4| Trust's a Tough Thing to Come by These Days
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HigherLevel
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Yeah this is the case with a lot of things, but with Halo, going back to Halo 3 and 2 after Reach, it's clear they are better games and you're not blinded by nostalgia. I played Halo 2 1 v 1 with a friend a few weeks ago and I was having more fun on that then I've had with any 360 game in a while.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
That doesn't really have anything to do with what I'm saying though. I'm not talking of using hindsight to judge something.
I'm talking about people's tendency to "trash" the new while claiming the old is better. Even though they bitched about the old when it replaced the previous "old."
That and people endearing themselves to an entry title and ultimately holding less interest in the subsequent titles as they age. (If Halo 2 was your first real "FPS experience" it's going to hold more meaning to you, just like my Quake 1 example).
People apparently don't like change, and I say to hell with that, especially if change can happen while maintaining balance (the big IF).
Yeah, it blew me away, and it came from the best Gears player I know, seriously this guy should go pro he's that good (if there was pro for gears, lol).
No, I understand that, I'm saying it's the same underlying issue. People's tastes are usually inordinately influenced by the first work, regardless of its merits in context. It's like how an actor is "the" embodiment of a fictional character--maybe someone better than Steve Downes could come along and play the Chief better, but we'd certainly feel a somewhat irrational affinity for the first and clearly "best" one.
Bregmann Roche
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Kinectimals 2: Voyage to Cuddletown
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Gotcha, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I would have used Batman as an example there. But then, I can't imagine another person being Chief either...
Gotcha, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I would have used Batman as an example there. But then, I can't imagine another person being Chief either...
I was trying to be Halo-related, but yeah, we haven't reached that threshold. Batman is definitely one I didn't think of right away, my first thought was Sherlock Holmes or Ebenezer Scrooge--so it shows how much public broadcasting and BBC influenced by childhood development
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I was trying to be Halo-related, but yeah, we haven't reached that threshold. Batman is definitely one I didn't think of right away, my first thought was Sherlock Holmes or Ebenezer Scrooge--so it shows how much public broadcasting and BBC influenced by childhood development
Or Dr. Who?
There's been a lot of different Batman actors, so it's the first thing that came up for me. I didn't grow up with BBC though, although my dad watched Dr. Who on PBS here in the states when I was growing up, so I saw a few incarnations of the Dr.
Bregmann Roche
Member
The Doctor Who thing is weird though as most people seem to be aware of their bias in that regard, as opposed to things like Bond or a Halo edition which are always an argument.Or Dr. Who?
There's been a lot of different Batman actors, so it's the first thing that came up for me. I didn't grow up with BBC though, although my dad watched Dr. Who on PBS here in the states when I was growing up, so I saw a few incarnations of the Dr.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
The thing is I could go back and play Quake 1 and feel the same way in regard to Q2/Q3 and QLA (and I have). Your "nostalgia" and affinity for that game is still going to make you enjoy it more, especially if you believe you enjoy it more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShP5xn9Tz90
Poker Face
Member
Exactly. I don't care what anyone says, Halo 2 will always be my favorite multiplayer game. Even going back to play it now on XBConnect I can still just sit in an FFA on midship just BRing and have a great time.
What annoys me are the girls of my generation who swoon over David Tennant, but refuse to see that the Moffat-era Who is of a much better technical and writing quality. It doesn't matter that Matt Smith is one odd-looking bloke even by British standards.
Naughty Dog's new game.
Ape Gone Insane
Member
Yeah still got to play the Halo 1 campaign for the first time, with my copy of Anniversary. Should get round to it some time.
Probably a strong contender for GOTY if they pull it off and Uncharted is anything to go by.
Poker Face
Member
Well we haven't learned about specializations, or weapon modifications (rocket shooting pistol) yet so...
EARGASMS AND EYEGASMS DAMMIT
I actually picked up a rocket shooting shotgun last night
playing Borderlands.
ElRenoRaven
Member
Exactly. If you objectively go back and look Halo 3 for example improved on Halo 2 in many ways. Now Reach is debatable. The only area I'd really say it improved anything was netcode. In fact I'd say Reach did take a few steps back overall minus the netcode.
The level of customizability of Reach, I realize is something to be commended. Remember playing ODST firefight and wishing you could turn off black eye? Remember wanting to start with a Carbine in Halo 3? The bad part about how customizable it was- was realizing how customizable it could be. It really sucks that bloom is in fact customizable, but not on a player level basis.
Otherwise I generally agree with your statement/conclusion.
HigherLevel
Member
Reach was an improvement in every area other than gameplay and theater mode. Obviously they missed with the most important aspect, but the UI, netcode, customization, and features in Reach crush any other Halo game.
Steelyuhas
Member
Yeah, aiming in Halo 3 feels like I'm fighting the controller in comparison, although both are blown out of the water of Halo 2 controls simply because there is no aim acceleration.
Reach blows all the previous games out of the water in pretty much every technical category. Interesting, I feel the technical leap from 3 to Reach is arguably more than from 2 to 3, which is especially impressive given that Halo 2 to 3 was a console leap.
The most drastic gameplay improvement in Reach is definitely player feedback. Everything from getting shot to shooting others.
ElRenoRaven
Member
When it comes to customization yes Reach is an improvement. However I'm talking mainly competitive multiplayer. The slowing down of player movement, lack of real ability to dodge, vehicles, etc were all steps backward. Then armor abilites, etc are the big debatable part. Some loved them some hated them. To me equipment and the progression to Armor abilites was a vast step back. I just wasn't a fan of either. However equipment was more limited in use then armor abilites which everyone has. At least with equipment it came down to control and knowing when to use them due to the limited nature of them.
You just listed 4 things there alone. Then I'd add vehicles as I mentioned above. Yes they were almost as useless due to that damn Spartan Laser but they didn't flip or turn over if a light breeze hit them like in Reach. Keep in mind I'm not saying everything Reach did was a step back. Just some things it did.
Garrett 2U
Member
Decided to play some Reach. Hopped in Social Slayer.
Instantly my team mates all quit leaving me 4-1.
Makes me want to play this game all the more.
Is Tashi even allowed to play past Halo 3?
EDIT: Super Slayer.
Instantly my team mates all quit leaving me 4-1.
Makes me want to play this game all the more.
Is Tashi even allowed to play past Halo 3?
EDIT: Super Slayer.
Steelyuhas
Member
Haha amazing.
Garrett 2U
Member
Super Slayer, my bad.
Next game 25-0. Untouchable.
Teammate comes up and gravity hammers me in the back to end my perfection.
Why do I even bother?
It really is a classic game of Halo Reach.
Ignorants running with tunnel vision towards power weapons.
Instant jetpack flying once spawned. Sprint melee'ing.
ignorant is not a noun, but I made it one.
Yarrr, he be a 0.72 K/D kid with a 63% loss rate. Judging by his service record, he only plays Zombies. Start doing the ultimate dickhead troll saying you have to have a 1.75 K/D to be on your FL and he's got a long ass ways to go.
In any case, he bad.
I sent him a message saying "only pros can be on my friend list" and he replied with "fuck off, parker lol" (Parker's my name)
Holy shit what is happening here. Although he probably just saw my name on my profile.
Still unfriending whoever this is
That reminds me something I was going to ask HaloGAF about. I was thinking of switching my name on the console to be Karl. If you know me irl or even bother to look me up on Google, you would know that my name is in fact Patrick. This way if someone did something like that(^) I would instantly know that they were completely random. Otherwise they would call me Patrick(or I would know if they were from GAF or something). Should I switch it?
Personally I wouldn't bother, as a scenario like that doesn't happen that often.
Totally up to you though
Garrett 2U
Member
A while ago this kid was talking trash to me about my K/D spread.
He had like a 2.5 or something ridiculous.
I go look at his game history, 40+ pages of only Zombies.
His most used weapons were Pistol, Sword, and Shotgun.
IDK how someone can find that fun, I can only assume he does it to boost his K/D spread.
He had like a 2.5 or something ridiculous.
I go look at his game history, 40+ pages of only Zombies.
His most used weapons were Pistol, Sword, and Shotgun.
IDK how someone can find that fun, I can only assume he does it to boost his K/D spread.
K/D boosting is what I assume to be the main reason people play Living Dead. If you're a human just one round, you're instantly guaranteed 5-10+ kills already.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Hopefully a big chance. I remember the off-screen footage that randomly popped up when the press got to play the Halo 3 Beta, I enjoyed the hell out of those videos. Hoping for the same with Halo 4.
Garrett 2U
Member
That was the shit man.
But I think its because you had to be creative with the maps.
Now you're spoon fed routes and hiding places in Zombies..
xxjuicesxx
Member
Still diablo. Made it to Lvl21 so far Act II. Can't stop.
yeeeeeeees
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I'd be playing the trial of Diablo if the installer wasn't broken for me...
I'm pretty sure it's because of the colored under-armor. The Mjolnir has a great deal more black to put some space between the colored armor plating. I mean, this is even visible on the Chief's new design, leading me to believe this Mjolnir Mark VI Model 2 is a different beast than what I assume is the Mjolnir Mark VII.
The armor used by the IVs has a bunch of thinner colored armor plates below the primary armor and reduces the visibility of the black under-armor. The white stripes break up the color a bit more and lead to more variation. I personally don't like this design and hope that we can change it a bit.
This is where Halo 3 and Halo Reach zombies failed. In zombies we NEED to be able to build barricades by working together. I remember awhile ago suggesting a system for buying barricades that over time could be destroyed by the zombies. It would be sweet but something tells me zombies mode will suck yet again.
Bregmann Roche
Member
Good games Kittens.
It's tough for me, I feel like the Moffat era has the edge on special effects, sets, props, and even overall acting, but the Russel T. Davies era had probably something like 3 of the 5 best episodes of the show (those 3 being written by Moffat...but still).
What annoys me are the girls of my generation who swoon over David Tennant, but refuse to see that the Moffat-era Who is of a much better technical and writing quality. It doesn't matter that Matt Smith is one odd-looking bloke even by British standards.
It's tough for me, I feel like the Moffat era has the edge on special effects, sets, props, and even overall acting, but the Russel T. Davies era had probably something like 3 of the 5 best episodes of the show (those 3 being written by Moffat...but still).