A27_StarWolf
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Super Bowl Half time show is Master Chief actually fighting the new bad guys in Halo 4... Wow that would be awful XD
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Halo: Reach |OT7| What are They to Say Now?
- Thread starter The Librarian
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Yesterday I was playing with my regular group of Reach friends. So just to start it off, I played a slayer match with a female friend.
Female friend: "Everybody watch out there is a sniper above"
Random Guy: "LOL SHUT UP. YOU SUCK DICK!"
Female friend: "What the fuck is wrong with you? I'm just giving people a heads up."
Random Guy: "Nobody fucking asked."
Female friend: "...."
Random Guy: "You suck dick."
Female friend: "This is why I am always in party chat."
Random Guy: "You suck dick."
Female friend: "Ofcourse I fucking suck dick. I'm a girl."
Random Guy: "...."
My lady friend totally blast the dude for being a fat fuck, living at home, nerd who never ever been with a women.
Guy went silent.
Now I know why women prefer to stay in party chat or not use a mic.
Female friend: "Everybody watch out there is a sniper above"
Random Guy: "LOL SHUT UP. YOU SUCK DICK!"
Female friend: "What the fuck is wrong with you? I'm just giving people a heads up."
Random Guy: "Nobody fucking asked."
Female friend: "...."
Random Guy: "You suck dick."
Female friend: "This is why I am always in party chat."
Random Guy: "You suck dick."
Female friend: "Ofcourse I fucking suck dick. I'm a girl."
Random Guy: "...."
My lady friend totally blast the dude for being a fat fuck, living at home, nerd who never ever been with a women.
Guy went silent.
Now I know why women prefer to stay in party chat or not use a mic.
ElRenoRaven
Member
Exactly. Halo 2 had a lot of problems. I mean a lot too. Let's be honest Halo 2's problems included:
Insane auto aim
Rocket lock on that was beyond bullshit
unlimited sword
duel wield or die. If you weren't duel wielding you were dead.
Really when I think of perfectly balanced Halo I do think of the original. 3 comes close but not completely there. That is why I really really wish 343 would basically reboot the multiplayer from scratch.
Take Halo 1 and dissect the hell out of it. Then rebuild it to include vehicle jacking which was the one great addition to Halo multiplayer. After that go through and strip out the ton of useless weapons that only duplicated others. Ideally I'd like it to look like this.
4 frags
4 sticky grenades
Halo 1 pistol or a Battle Rifle that is equal to the pistol from Halo 1
assault rifle
sniper rifle
Shotgun
Plasma Rifle
Plasma Pistol
Covie Sniper
Carbine
Needler
Brute Shot (I actually liked the way it functioned in halo 2. A lot)
Grenade Launcher the way it functions in Reach
Sword with limited uses
Brute Hammer with of course limited uses
Rocket Launcher with limited lock on for air vehicles
fuel rod gun with the same limited lock on for air vehicels
Warthog
Mongoose
Ghost
Banshee
Brute Chopper
Wraith Tank That is on par with the original games campaigns in that you have it's mortor and little laser shooters.
Halo 1 Scorpion Tank.
All this while bringing back the movement speed Halo 1 had, The fall damage Halo 1 had, and health packs like Halo 1 had which didn't require you hitting a button to use them. Also bring back classic power ups. No armor abilities, no equipment.
Think that covers it. I might have missed a weapon here or there but you'll notice I cut out the 500 duplicate weapons and weapons that made vehicles 100 percent useless minus one or two. I also put a flavor weapon or two like the brute shot and Grenade launcher.
Oh one more thing. Also a big thing I would do is put the weapon spawns back the way they were in Halo 1. This means limited power weapons. Not 500 OF THEM ON A MAP THAT CONSTANTLY RESPAWN EVERY 30 GODDAMN SECONDS!!!!!!!!!!
That's my rough thoughts of what I'd ideally like to see.
Hell that's why I prefer party chat or no mic. That shit's in every game. Nobody want's team work. It's either a racist or sexist asshole, the dick bitching people out cause they suck even though he's last on your team, or just some annoying little kid with a voice that sounds like nails on a chalkboard who won't shut the hell up.
Blue Ninja
Member
Reach was the February cover story, it seems, so that would be the issue released in January. Maybe something similar?
Devolution
Member
Multiplayer wise they forced AR starts just like the SMG starts, for example.
ncsuDuncan
Member
Halo 4 WILL be at the VGAs...
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in 2012
Hydranockz
Member
But in all seriousness, Reach was the natural progression from 3. Maybe not story wise, but definitely gameplay wise given the gripes people were vocal about in 3.
Devolution
Member
But in all seriousness, Reach was the natural progression from 3. Maybe not story wise, but definitely gameplay wise given the gripes people were vocal about in 3.
I don't recall people whining about being too mobile.
Overdoz tweeted me a very interesting video from Penny Arcade about what needs to happen for ESports to take off. It mentioned making the game better for spectators. Now, in SC2 you can have a bunch of people in the game watching while 2 players duke it out. And while you're watching, there are a bunch of stat trackers live while the game is playing that you can see. How many units does each player have? How much money does each player have? How many workers were killed in the game? How many actions per minute is each player acheiving? The spectator in the game can see what each player see and is doing. The commentators control all of that.
How do you apply something similar to Halo? Allow players in game to join the lobby but act as a spectator. Actually before we get into that we have to realize what's wrong with Halo at a spectator event. If you've ever been to an MLG event and sat on the mainstage, you know how hard it is to follow. There are 3 giant screens and each player is being shown and then in the middle what the viewers at home see. How many times have you been watching MLG at home and the commentators miss and awesome triple kill or overkill. Hardly ever do the commentators catch it. That needs to change. What if you're spectating in game and there's a mini map? And on that mini map, you see from birds eye view, a dot representing each player and an icon showing if they have a power weapon or power up. It can show you if a rocket guy has a flank on 2 guys and we're about to see a double kill and possibly more. In this mode, you can switch to each player in first person easily. If a player get's a double kill you should be alerted and with a button press, you can jump to that players view. Things like that.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Great post. It never dawned on me why FFA feels so unplayable since Reach came out, but now it's obvious. I haven't tried Anni FFA, yet...
Hydranockz
Member
That was initially more tied to the story being about Spartan-II's though, was it not?
Fixed it.
My girlfriend picked up BF3 on Xbox, and she's enjoying the squad voice chat system. She often end up with friends in party chat, but even if she's going solo, all she has to do is drop the squad to get away from douchebags.
ElRenoRaven
Member
You know though it's sad that she has to even has to do that. I'll just honestly not ever understand why people can't just have more respect for not just women but everyone. Is it too hard to be a decent person and not treat others like shit?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
*Whistles Halo theme*
ncsuDuncan
Member
I'm curious how ATLAS will work in Reach. Maybe MLG could spring for a few WP7s, then direct feed that to the stream/commentators. Maybe one from each team, only find a way to overlay them on top of each other to get everyone's position.
Does MLG do instant replays for big games?
A spectator camera would be really great, it would give viewers a better idea of what's going on rather than being limited to just one first-person viewpoint.
The NFL could add helmet cam footage (which would be awesome) but they'd still need the wide-angle cameras. NASCAR switches between the two and it works pretty well.
BlueScrote
Member
When you are aged 10-30, anonymous, and socially awkward, then the answer is yes apparently.
I feel like this is more the canon excuse for movement speed changes, rather than being the cause of the movement speed changes.
Devolution
Member
Think about the demographics of people that are most likely to be playing FPSes. Hell look at this forum sometimes. What's the first thing out of some people's mouths in regards to women?
People who talk shit in pregame lobbies and mock teammates while playing really burn me up. Have some class and respect.
I agree with this post. Do it, Bung... err 343.
Steelyuhas
Member
Longer kill times in arena shooters compared to military shooter do make the combat scenarios more complex and/or more 'skilled'. When comparing arena shooters to each other thought I think the most important figure is a large gap between potential kill times and average kill times. Halo CE is usually considered the most competitively viable Halo game, and it's largely due to that. It has the most powerful starting weapon in the series, but it also had far and away the most difficult starting weapon to use creating a much larger gap between average kill times and potential kill times than any other Halo game, thus creating an individual skill gap that is not seen in the other games.
For whatever reason, when people are behind the mask of the internet, many of them have some odd desire to be complete assholes, and say and act in ways that they would probably never do in person.
Well said. I do think the shield recharge is a silent culprit to a lot of problems, which the other factors just make worse.
ElRenoRaven
Member
Guess that's what makes me different then. I am who I am online or off. That means I'm usually a pretty easy going person that will give anyone a chance. I just like to shoot the shit, debate some things, and have fun. I can also be a bit stubborn and a bit hard headed. I don't deny that. That's me though. I just don't see why people need to act differently then who they are. What do you gain from it? All you are then is a two faced fake. At least I can say if you like me or you hate them it's me you like or hate. Not what I pretend to be. I can also say that if you like me or hate me I don't care because I was true to myself and no matter what I do there will always be people that don't like me and others who do.
Oh well. Back to Halo. So When's Halogaf getting our Halo 4 alpha invites Frankie? lol
Reach had the scoped pistol with AR starts. DMR starts were largely superior, but at least they made AR starts more bearable.
Missed opportunity by Random Guy. Shit-Talk level: Scrubzilla
Halo 2 and 3 had very fast recharge times relatively. Reach is more akin to CE. Takes a while to start recharging. Recharges slowly. This is why it feels like grenades can trap you for like a minute.
Steelyuhas
Member
Yeah I feel the same way, but there are obviously those out there that don't. I think for some people its a way to take out frustration, not that it makes it right.
Tha Robbertster
Member
Online, I talk a lot more about games since most of my friends aren't gamers. But atleast on the xbox, I'm pretty much the same guy as in real life. Don't know why I should act differently.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I think sometimes people act different considering the circumstances. I'll say and do things differently around say, shooting the shit with my boys at a bar, then say, Thanksgiving dinner with my grandma. You change your behavior based of the social context.
Just some people take that context to be, "Aw yeah, now I can say whatever the fuck I want to everybody with no bad social graces, whoo hoo lol go back to the kitchen n-word jew f-word"
Just some people take that context to be, "Aw yeah, now I can say whatever the fuck I want to everybody with no bad social graces, whoo hoo lol go back to the kitchen n-word jew f-word"
ncsuDuncan
Member
I keep seeing various game sites lauding the Kill Confirmed gametype in MW3. Doesn't seem that original to me, but it's popular.
Sounds like it would be doable in Headhunter, maybe not by tweaking a current variant but possibly through Megalo.
The only issues I can see:
- You could make the skull capture zone just span the entire level, but then skulls would instantly disappear.
- Teammates aren't supposed to be able to score your dropped skull, if they pick it up it should just deny the enemy that skull. (i.e. skulls would have to be tagged as belonging to a certain team).
Sounds like it would be doable in Headhunter, maybe not by tweaking a current variant but possibly through Megalo.
The only issues I can see:
- You could make the skull capture zone just span the entire level, but then skulls would instantly disappear.
- Teammates aren't supposed to be able to score your dropped skull, if they pick it up it should just deny the enemy that skull. (i.e. skulls would have to be tagged as belonging to a certain team).
BlueScrote
Member
I actually thought about this a couple days ago. Kill Confirmed improves the COD formula because it helps promote movement around the map. I don't think Halo necessarily has the same issues, but it could still make for a fun variant.
You came up with pretty much the same issues I did: the 'capture' event, and the nuance between enemy and friendly skulls/tags.
Shake Appeal
Member
In Halo 2 and 3, your shield starts recharging about 4.25 seconds after being hit, and takes 1.75 seconds to recharge.
In Reach, your shield starts recharging after 6 seconds, and takes 2.75 seconds to recharge.
It's a significant difference that slows down the game and shrinks the efficacy of individual players. One of my greatest irritations with Reach, and nobody ever talks about it.
Devolution
Member
I have. It's even worse with no/reduced bloom, the slow shields that is.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I recently played Halo 3's campaign before going into Reach, the first things you notice are, "Wow, I lost my hops " and "holy fuck why does it take forever and a day for my shields to recharge!?"
" and "holy fuck why does it take forever and a day for my shields to recharge!?"I recently played Halo 3's campaign before going into Reach, the first things you notice are, "Wow, I lost my hops
Dem Spartan IIIs!
I really hope h2/h3 shield recharge comes back in H4. It should, since we'll be playing MC again! w/ Mk VII Mjolnir.
Really makes you wonder what the intent was behind such a change... make it easier for other players to come mop you up?
Bregmann Roche
Member
Not as awful as the Halftime Show usually is.
Bleh, gross.
I always talked about the shield recharge time and grenades, trying to describe how OP it really is.
I'm confident Halo 4 will be a faster game. Chiefs armor hasn't changed. Should be the same or better.
I know "The Game is King" but by that logic you'd want a better game with faster shields.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Bleh, gross.
I always talked about the shield recharge time and grenades, trying to describe how OP it really is.
I'm confident Halo 4 will be a faster game. Chiefs armor hasn't changed. Should be the same or better.
I know "The Game is King" but by that logic you'd want a better game with faster shields.
They'll come up with some story-related bullshit like "this harsh, foreign enviroment of this world makes shields recharge longer then usual"
A27_StarWolf
Banned
Bleh, gross.
I always talked about the shield recharge time and grenades, trying to describe how OP it really is.
I'm confident Halo 4 will be a faster game. Chiefs armor hasn't changed. Should be the same or better.
I know "The Game is King" but by that logic you'd want a better game with faster shields.
Someone recognizes my genius
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I don't think anyone would have a problem with multiplayer shields being set for a specific charge time, and campaign being different... at least I wouldn't.
Cortana: The gravity on this planet means you are less maneuverable.
Chief: Like being a Spartan III on Reach?
Cortana: Worse
oh god make it stop
How to ruin Halo:
a) Designer wants to add sprint, jet pack and armor lock to game.
b) Those things allow players to "get away" too often so shields are modified to take longer to recharge and base movement speed is lowered.
c) DMR is added with 3 times zoom.
Game now has frustrating armor abilities, slow movement speed, shield recharges take longer, and can get killed from across map easily.
thezerofire
Banned
Honestly, I don't give two shits about "canon" affecting multiplayer gameplay. I don't care that we're Spartan III's. Make me run fast, jump high, shoot accurately, and make my shields recharge faster.
and make those goddamn grenades bounce.
and make those goddamn grenades bounce.
So much truth.
I think they missed the memo on the fact Arena Shooters are rarely slow and methodical. The MLG pros claim they went to Bungie to give them input... but then how do we move so slow and have bloom; and the day after the Reach Beta came out everyone was complaining about low jumps, speed, bloom, and nuclear grenades? Did the pros play a different version of the game? or were their suggestions just not taken into account?
Shake Appeal
Member
In general I think they were trying to make it more methodical and 'thoughtful'. Constraining movement without the right AA, increasing kill times, introducing Armour Lock as a pause button, making grenades 'matter', implementing bloom in general but especially its mitigation when crouching or scoping, etc. They wanted to slow things down, highlight teamwork, decrease the importance of the individual player, and introduce a kind of 'chesslike' idea where a player with a certain AA or weapon would likely trump another in a given scenario.
Unfortunately all of these changes are anathema to much (most?) of the Halo playerbase. They hamper players' movements and aiming, decrease our chances of chaining together kills and sprees, squeeze the difference between us and other players (especially in the immediate aftermath of an encounter), and put us in situations where we're underdogs because of a decision we made on spawn, rather than something we did since.
(What bothers players about spawn-camping or bad spawns is that they effectively constrain our efficacy before we have entered the playspace; loadouts in a less egregious way do the same, largely because of map design that can make the choice to, say, not equip jetpack this life on Sword Base dictate significant knock-on effects before you've so much as cocked your weapon. Because many players -- especially highly-skilled players here at GAF -- pride themselves on staying alive, building sprees, etc., and because a loadout choice is 'lifelong' and cannot be swapped until you die, making an irrevocable and in-efficacious decision here feels 'unfair' given such decisions are unprecedented in a Halo game.)
Cortana: I've made some modifications to your weapons and armor. Guns will now get inaccurate if you shoot too fast.
Chief: Not a problem, I always burst my Assault Rifl-
Cortana: No I mean precision weapons too.
Chief: .... But wh-
Cortana: and bloom is larger if you're moving, but hey, you're going to be moving slower and clunkier already so no need for strafing!
#WorstCaseScenarios
The net-code is pretty great, and its very pretty on the right maps.
Gameplay on the other hand...
Yep.
thezerofire
Banned
I certainly think so. If Halo 3 had Reach's netcode and feedback loop I would still be playing it. Pretty much the only good things Reach brought. Besides the grenade launcher, of course.