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[EDMIX]

So you don't prefer attractive character designs over less attractive? Because if you do like the former, that's fine. My whole argument is that there's nothing wrong with it. What is funny about that?

Fuck man you really love this either or shit don't you? I'm saying I like many character designs regardless if the intent was to be attractive or not. Do you not understand designs can differ for completely different reasons or? Never did I say something was wrong with it, something is how ever wrong with a either or notion of it, a forcefulness it that ignores reality or arguing against the freedom of choice of the artist to create what the want.

I'm a grown man that likes ALL TYPES OF WOMEN!

 

[Danjin44]

I think we need to accept the fact western developer's physiology behind their game designs has changed. As graphics became more realistic most western developers number one priority has become realism and immersion, I don't think we ever going to see "sexy design" from wester developers.......and thats fine its their choice but it doesn't mean other regions needs to follow same "western standard" I hope both western industry figures and journalists would understand that.......I doubt they will.

 

[Grand Theft Scratchy]

Fuck man you really love this either or shit don't you? I'm saying I like many character designs regardless if the intent was to be attractive or not. Do you not understand designs can differ for completely different reasons or?

I'm well aware that art can be created for different reasons and characters will look different but every artist has a style, a preference, some recurring trend that defines their work. Look at Hideo Kojima's games and that they feature attractive female characters but Neil Druckmann believes one of his characters Quiet is problematic. Nevermind that these characters might have interesting back stories and be part of successful franchises, it's more important for him to point out "they are role models". So tell me, do you create a character with the intent that they should be a role model, because that is what Neil Druckmann was saying. I think he is wrong. I do not believe a female character in an M-rated game needs to be designed in a way so as to be safe for children.

 

[EDMIX]

I think we need to accept the fact western developer's physiology behind their game designs has changed. As graphics became more realistic most western developers number one priority has become realism and immersion, I don't think we ever going to see "sexy design" from wester developers.......and thats fine its their choice but it doesn't mean other regions needs to follow same "western standard" I hope both western industry figures and journalists would understand that.......I doubt they will.

I disagree.

Look at this thread. Artist will exist that will design "sexy" characters for works for the west created to be over the top, exaggerated etc. I think its simply based on who is designing it, what is its purpose etc. Not all games are created equal. It would be like saying "we need to accept the fact Japanese developer's physiology will be about that big breast, big eye, anime looking shit" lol

As an artist myself, my style leans towards the west now days simply based on the work I'm creating as its not a manga or anything lol If I can create based on how people look like from a local wal mart (as I tend to love drawing what I see in everyday life as they exist) I'm sure other artist in the west can continue to draw big breast, buff man shit. People can still do that and this thread shows that clearly many desire that.

So who is stopping someone from the west from making some over the top game with that style? I simply believe that stylized over the top art direction is more from the east compared to the west, its not to say we don't have our own artist that focus on those ideas though, look at Frank Frazetta, his work on Tarzan and Conan is legendary, yet he supported both looks. Exaggerated and exact life references for a more humanist feel depending on the work.

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[Batiman]

The definition of beauty changes over years as well. Women considered to be beautiful set in let's say assassins creed games would be considered ugly by today's standards. That's another thing to think about as well for people that want realism in their games. We've been getting model women most of our lives in settings where it doesn't fit

 

[EDMIX]

. So tell me, do you create a character with the intent that they should be a role model, because that is what Neil Druckmann was saying.

He is free to say what the fuck he wants. He is free to create how ever the fuck he wants. You need to seriously get over that, like big time. Again, going to say what I said regarding Anita bud,

They are free to make their game the way they feel like it, you are free to make your own game if you disagree.

I do not believe a female char

Thats nice. Make your own game. You are free to believe that....in your own game.

Why would you, as one artist to another, be okay with another artist's attempt to stifle other artist's creativity?

He is not stopping anyone from doing anything, just like I'm not stopping you from making that game you want to make. Make that game you want Vyse. I don't fucking care.

My point is that as an artist myself, I understand not all art is created equal, it is not all created with 1 intent. Thus, make what you want and move on. I see zero "attempt to stifle" anyone's art as he isn't making some legislation to stop all art that is not his own, he isn't passing some bill that stops other artist from making games, none of that is happening. He believes art should be about representation, this that and the third. He is free to believe that...... I have no clue why that would hurt your feelings or harm you or stop you from making a game you want to make.

Go make that game.....

 

[Danjin44]

So who is stopping someone from the west from making some over the top game with that style?

No one is stoping them, they just won't, especially when it comes to AAA western games.

 

[EDMIX]

No one is stoping them, they just won't, especially when it comes to AAA western games.

"They" include many people right here in this thread that support that over the top design for different projects. To say something like "they just won't" is just silly man. God Of War exist with a buff ass Kratos does it not? In this thread many people listed their own games they like in the west with males and females and shit. I don't think its as crazy as some of you make it out to be.

If any other artist here exist that make designs like that for the west, I'm sure they'll fine work no issue as I don't think its something that isn't in high demand or something and even if it wasn't....they have a opening for their next kickstarted over the top action game.

Like Bullet Storm or something. Call it Big Guns and Big FUNs (boobz) Doom like shooter where a bro dude goes to hell and needs to fight his way out and the enemies are dead whores who got killed being prostitutes so they are very hot and junk and in order for you to get health you can have sex with them, but you add sin to your meter or something that makes more enemies spawn as some trade off lol

....it can work.

 

[Grand Theft Scratchy]

My point is that as an artist myself,

"That's nice. You are free to believe that."

 

[Closer]

He is free to say what the fuck he wants. He is free to create how ever the fuck he wants. You need to seriously get over that, like big time. Again, going to say what I said regarding Anita bud,

They are free to make their game the way they feel like it, you are free to make your own game if you disagree.

He doesn't understand that you don't need a "side" on this matter and desperately wants to put you on one of the only two sides he is capable to acknowledge. Don't be mad at him.

 

[bbeach123]

Its doesnt need to be the face . Most western dev female nowaday have weird female body type , the way they walking , doing stuff is look like a man .

In RE8 trailer i didnt find anyone of the vampire "beautiful" . But they are extreme sexy , the way they move , their body , their dress is mesmerizing .

 

[EDMIX]

He doesn't understand that you don't need a "side" on this matter and desperately wants to put you on one of the only two sides he is capable to acknowledge. Don't be mad at him.

Pretty much. I like many types of art and character design isn't really an either or and its not a 1 size fits all or anything.

The shitty looking character works in Breaking Bad as the goal is to show you a down on his luck, loser of a character doing some badass shit.

That doesn't mean an Anime like DBZ should do the same or that I want them to do the same or anything odd like that. As an artist, I don't create based on 1 intent. I'd assume other artist do not either and have a wide range on why they design a character to look one way or another or why they choose 1 art direction over another etc. The over the top nudity and big muscles and big boobs works for God Of War in its crazy fantasy setting just like it works in DMC or Bayonetta, the humanistic look of the Uncharted series or The Last Of Us works for that as they are trying to depict something more closer to reality.

Be like the difference from CW having all of the model looking actors vs AMC or HBO or something. I like the content made by those networks for different reasons, just like I like the art in different games for DIFFERENT REASONS and it seems like many have a hard time accepting that in gaming.

I don't see any of this as some either or.

bbeach123 "RE8 trailer i didnt find anyone of the vampire "beautiful" . But they are extreme sexy , the way they move , their body , their dress made them look attractive " I agree but that might have been their intent. Like make them attractive like a mythical thing, the sirens calling the men to the rocks to lead them to their doom type thing. Like they are hot, but...they will bite lol I think they wanted to have a "look, but can't touch" type feeling with them which works in a True Blood type way

 

[EventHorizon]

Sex (read attractiveness) sells. Businesses ignore that truism at their own peril. Playing games is a power fantasy, and no one fantasizes about being normal or unattractive. One exception would be if a game offers a create-a-character feature. Then some players will want to play as a character that looks like themselves. In that case offering more realistic options is important.

Speaking personally, I am absolutely more likely to buy games with attractive characters, and I'm less likely to buy a game with unattractive characters. That goes doubly so if there is a romance option. This alone won't make or break a game. It's more like adding or subtracting 0.5 from a game rating on a 10 point scale.

 

[Dr. Suchong]

I support using anyone, ugly, good looking, thin, fit, fat, as long as they're not danger hair, morality pushing, Twitter pronoun warriors.

"Danger hair"
I love this lol

 

[EventHorizon]

Just do a google image search for "character actor." It's basically a term meant for actors who don't rely on looks/charisma. AKA non-leading men. AKA ugly dudes lol (and a few women), who are also often not American (brits, aussies, SA):

The bolded part defeats your own argument. These are NON-LEADING men. They are there to make the attractive leads look better. Or to put it another way, these are not the people putting butts in seats. Everyone doesn't have to be attractive, but if you actually want to sell what you are making, you are better off putting an attractive face up front.

Hollywood blockbuster movies are only a tiny fraction of all media. They do tend to lean towards unrealistic looks expectations on both sides of the coin, but particularly in television and more adult drama films there's a wide assortment...

Yeah but Hollywood blockbusters make the most money by far. The argument isn't that you can't have unattractive people in media. It's that if you actually want other people to see that media, having attractive leads helps you far more than having unattractive ones.

 

[Fess]

I like the randomness and I enjoy that my work simply looks like people you would regularly see in the United States of America vs a Revlon commercial lol

This highlights the problem I think western games have today. Unless US is very different from Sweden there should simply be bigger variety in body types in gaming.

If I would stand still for half an hour at a buss stop or mall I would see lots of amazing looking women with bodies in a wide variety.

But today in western games there is this norm, more or less, that women in lead roles should be skinny and tall, mostly without hips and with a small chest and ass.

Meanwhile out in the real world women already have or train hard to get - curves. Womanly curves of all kinds. And as a parent I would gladly see my kids have a curvy woman as a role model. To me this seems healthy. It's probably the healthiest body ideal we've seen in decades tbh. No puking involved here. And it doesn't matter if you're tall or short, everyone can get there. Unless you struck gold in the genes lottery you simply have to eat and train.

 

[RJMacready73]

In all my near 40years of gaming I've never once thought "I don't wanna buy/play this game cause the main character looks a certain way" I personally couldn't give a shit how the character looks as long as it suits the narrative/Gameworld, I mean really guys who gives a shit.. one of my favourite characters in recent times has been Abbey from TLOU2 then again I pretty much loved all the characters in that game cause they where all so grounded and realistic but if I was playing some hyper anime type game then a long legged big titted protagonist wouldn't bother me either, basically the looks of the main character don't even register on my radar in comparison to every other part of a game

 

[Rhazkul]

Remember when Art and Culture used to inspire people to become the best version of themselves (physically and mentally) and didn't pander to the weirdos of society ("it's healthy being fat!")?

I miss those days...

 

[kyliethicc]

Knack got all dat ass tho

 

[itsArtie]

I never really cared about how my character looks, story and gameplay are much more important. The only time I care is when I'm trying to romance someone in-game, I'll always pick the hottest chick.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

I mean guys in a game like Red Dead Redemption 2, wearing assless chaps and thongs only and built like a twink.

I'd be fine with that, put as much beefcake as you want in games if it means we can get sexy women back.

 

[Fess]

Remember when Art and Culture used to inspire people to become the best version of themselves (physically and mentally) and didn't pander to the weirdos of society ("it's healthy being fat!")?

I miss those days...

Art and culture is still doing that, gaming is just slow. Today in the real world it's considered beautiful for women to have a thin waist and wider hips and a pronounced butt, hourglass figure basically, and it's been like that for at least a decade, very much because of Beyonce and the Kardashians. For men it's still considered beautiful to have fit abs, pecs and wide shoulders. Beard and longer hair is popular too. The Thor look basically, who wouldn't want to look like that?
And this is achieved with a combination of lots of focused training and a correct diet, it's real hard work.
Nobody wants to be fat.

 

[Grand Theft Scratchy]

Art and culture is still doing that, gaming is just slow. Today in the real world it's considered beautiful for women to have a thin waist and wider hips and a pronounced butt, hourglass figure basically, and it's been like that for at least a decade, very much because of Beyonce and the Kardashians. For men it's still considered beautiful to have fit abs, pecs and wide shoulders. Beard and longer hair is popular too. The Thor look basically, who wouldn't want to look like that?
And this is achieved with a combination of lots of focused training and a correct diet, it's real hard work.
Nobody wants to be fat.

Nobody wants to be fat but you do have social media and women's magazines like Cosmopolitan trying to normalize overweight as healthy when we all damn well know it's unhealthy. All of this weirdness is like a rubber band that keeps stretching and eventually it's going to snap and when it does things will go back to normal... hopefully.

 

[Marvel]

I love me some pixel smut.

 

[IntentionalPun]

The bolded part defeats your own argument. These are NON-LEADING men. They are there to make the attractive leads look better. Or to put it another way, these are not the people putting butts in seats. Everyone doesn't have to be attractive, but if you actually want to sell what you are making, you are better off putting an attractive face up front.

No it doesn't...

Yeah but Hollywood blockbusters make the most money by far. The argument isn't that you can't have unattractive people in media. It's that if you actually want other people to see that media, having attractive leads helps you far more than having unattractive ones.

Maybe read the post I was responding to.

They literally said they've never seen ugly dudes in movies/TV.

There are some wildly successful actors who are pretty damn ugly some of them even do "headline" plenty of movies that are successful in their own right like Steve Buschimi, Philip Seymour Hoffman and WIllem Defoe (and I'm not even touching the loooong history of unattractive comedians who star in huge movies). They just aren't "leading men" because they don't headline blockbusters.

So even your argument is pretty flawed; plenty of movies have unattractive "leads".. and hell, plenty of games do w/o anyone complaining. Even "blockbuster" games...

If they are men.

 

[Spokker]

Back when they censored blood in video games, at least we got a blood code. Can we get a boob code today?

What I don't get is how all the chicks in movies are still hot but you can't put them in video games anymore. I guess you can't uglify Scarlett Johansson too much before people go "what the fuck."

 

[Raonak]

I literally do not care what my character looks like. It doesn't effect my enjoyment of the game at all.

Gaf seems to have this weird obsession with it.

I'd argue one of the reasons I'd because making a flawless beautiful character is actually kinda... Boring... From a character designer perspective. Because you're removing a lot of facial detail, in the same way makeup does.

It's why artists love drawing old people because of all the wrinkles and aged effects create a lot of detail and character.

I am all for letting game designers make what they want to make.

 

[Draef the Badger]

I'd be fine with that, put as much beefcake as you want in games if it means we can get sexy women back.

Finally, some sense!

 

[EventHorizon]

Maybe read the post I was responding to.

Maybe you should read the post you responded to. Here is the text of first comment you tried to rebut:"yea theres a reason most successful actors and actresses are hot..because it's what we wana see, rather than the fat ugly pigs you see in the supermarket...or my bedroom"

The point being made is simple. The MOST SUCCESSFUL actors and actresses are attractive. To try to counter that point you brought up non-leading character actors who are by definition NOT the most successful. They are supporting.

They literally said they've never seen ugly dudes in movies/TV.

Once again this is all in the context of the most successful actors. This entire thread is about how having attractive leads in video games is a good thing. There is no debate about having less attractive other characters. The OP literally states "traditionally less attractive characters will be relegated to the background". In fact the character actors you are championing traditionally play the villain. That is not a role normally played by an attractive lead a viewer is supposed to empathize with. For example, it's appropriate that the villainous orcs of Mordor are hideous. Your entire counter argument does nothing but confirm the OP's point.

The reality is that evolution has trained us to prefer attractive things. If you are tying to sell your house, you clean it up and to make it look as good as possible. You don't leave it as-is and berate those coming by that they shouldn't care what it looks like. The exact same concept applies to video games. If you want to maximize the number of people buying your game, put attractive main characters in it to sell it. There are exceptions of course, but those are the exceptions that prove the rule.

 

[EventHorizon]

In all my near 40years of gaming I've never once thought "I don't wanna buy/play this game cause the main character looks a certain way" I personally couldn't give a shit how the character looks as long as it suits the narrative/Gameworld, I mean really guys who gives a shit.. one of my favourite characters in recent times has been Abbey from TLOU2 then again I pretty much loved all the characters in that game cause they where all so grounded and realistic but if I was playing some hyper anime type game then a long legged big titted protagonist wouldn't bother me either, basically the looks of the main character don't even register on my radar in comparison to every other part of a game

Yeah...I'm the opposite. I got into the early Tomb Raider games due to Lara Croft's iconic design. Likewise I bought Bayonetta as well as Dead or Alive for the same reason. It's not like I thought those games were bad and only bought them due to their attractive leads, but those are examples of games where I was on the fence about buying and the attractive main character(s) was enough to tip the scale.

On the other side, Returnal's unattractive lead has put that game on the back burner. No, that's not the main reason. I think the game's arcade roots clashes with its horror aesthetic, and overall does not look like it is not worth $70. However, the lead character design has done nothing to make me want to play it. It's a lost opportunity. It's a hook the trailers could have used to pull me in, but didn't. I'll eventually pick up Returnal, but due to that lack of connection, it'll be much later and at a much lower price than if I was more interested in the main character.

All of that is not meant as punishment against the game. It's just the logical result from my lack of interest. In an alternate reality where the lead character was an old school Lara Croft in short shorts doing back flips, I probably still wouldn't buy it at $70*, but would be eagerly on the lookout to snatch it up as soon as it went on sale.

*There are very few games I would pay $70 for. I intend to wait to get most games this gen on sale, which isn't an issue since I have such a big backlog.

 

[Fuz]

Thought you were talking about me.

 

[thelastword]

Why don't the people who think that go make their own games to see how much it sells.....What you deem as an attractive character means little for games or TV shows or movies....What's more important is character and what you portray on screen, is it gripping can people connect.....Show me a traditional beautiful woman and I'll show you a boyfriend who is tired of smashing.....Some women look good in the traditional sense but have zero personality, zero spaz and even more insecurities than what you deem average or ugly.

GOT would not be the same with some boring smooth faced Tyrion Lanister, The hound, Joffrey or Theon Greyjoy. None of these guys were great because they were beautiful, but because they portrayed interesting and none "watch paint dry characters".....That Thor guy can't act, so I will always remember Iron Man, he has spark. Penguin in Gotham is great.....

As for games, it's not the attractive polygons that keep you, it's the gameplay, the character itself, the humor. Drake may be handsome traditionally, but it's hardly what has made him so beloved in the series...I suspect some you should just go make some AO games and be done with it...

 

[Grand Theft Scratchy]

Why don't the people who think that go make their own games to see how much it sells.....What you deem as an attractive character means little for games or TV shows or movies....What's more important is character and what you portray on screen, is it gripping can people connect.....Show me a traditional beautiful woman and I'll show you a boyfriend who is tired of smashing.....Some women look good in the traditional sense but have zero personality, zero spaz and even more insecurities than what you deem average or ugly.

GOT would not be the same with some boring smooth faced Tyrion Lanister, The hound, Joffrey or Theon Greyjoy. None of these guys were great because they were beautiful, but because they portrayed interesting and none "watch paint dry characters".....That Thor guy can't act, so I will always remember Iron Man, he has spark. Penguin in Gotham is great.....

As for games, it's not the attractive polygons that keep you, it's the gameplay, the character itself, the humor. Drake may be handsome traditionally, but it's hardly what has made him so beloved in the series...I suspect some you should just go make some AO games and be done with it...

While I agree that the gameplay and story and music are all elements of a game that people (myself included) will remember more than just the appearance of its characters, Nathan Drake being handsome does in a way help contribute to the Uncharted games feeling more like blockbuster movie experiences inspired by the pulp fiction genre. It wouldn't be the same if Donut Drake or Sully (older Sully, not Uncharted 3 flashback Sully) had replaced Drake.

What I'm saying is it can contribute to the enjoyment of a game, not that it's the most important aspect of the experience.

 

[PleaseWaitStation4]

The reason for the circa 2014 hag onslaught is that most of Gen Z were not taught religion and one particular deadly sin called ENVY. They can't stand beauty without demanding that which they do not have. Quite deadly to the industry, I must say.

 

[Fess]

Nobody wants to be fat but you do have social media and women's magazines like Cosmopolitan trying to normalize overweight as healthy when we all damn well know it's unhealthy.

Are we talking about obesity? Belly fat is proven dangerous so it would be weird if that was normalized as healthy.

But whatever, if people would relate everything within gaming to reality they would find that there are a mountain of weird and problematic content. If people can deal with casually chopping heads you would assume they could deal with boob windows as well. But nah, that's different I guess.

I wish people would just chill, I mean it's not real so what's the big deal? I'm building a Unity game as a family project, nothing serious at all and super janky. The kids are coming up with all kinds of ideas, it's jolly good fun and they get to learn that games are essentially art you can move etc. And waddayaknow the lead is curvy and I've already got hate messages on social

 

[Durask]

I like how they wanted a soccer mom because "representation" or some shit but they also gave her two different colored eyes because, wow, that looks unusual and cool. They even have these close-up shots (because why would you do such a close up on a soccer mom's face) so there is no way you will miss it.

I dunno ... there are much better looking soccer moms out there ... this is more like a soccer coach.

 

[hemo memo]

Yeah I imagine companies have a massive list on the wall of things not include in their because of how it might be offensive. Just imagine how Senfiled or Friends or The Office if they removed some of the jokes because they feel it might be offensive.

 

[Physiocrat]

Much has been said that what people want is not beauty but rather interesting characters in games (I'm focusing here on games with a strong narrative focus). References to Game of Thrones have been made, for example that Theon and Tyrion etc were compelling not because they were beautiful but rather their complex character.

I can get behind this type of reasoning. First and foremost plot and character should be at the forefront of the game design of narrative heavy games. This said there certainly does seem to be an uglifying trend in games, especially with female characters. It might be better to say that they are masculinsed.

This is justified on the grounds of realism. Brienne of Tarth is a good reference point here. If you have a female character who can take on a male character they would need to be muscular etc. The problem here though is that Brienne of Tarth is not in fact a realistic character. The probability that she could defeat Renly's best soldiers is minimal and even less fighting the Hound. Additionally, that her father would actually have allowed her to be a knight is ridiculous. The approach of Ned Stark with Ayra makes the most sense. Yes, let her train but her future role is wife and mother - this is what would happen in a medieval society which GoT is clearly based.

Societies, in general, will only have women fight in extreme circumstances. This is because you can kill most of the males and introduce polygamy and therefore replenish the groups population with a few males. You cannot do this with females for obvious biological reasons.

So you could create a dystopia in which you had rugged female characters who made sense in the world as they were needed to survive. But the probability that they could physically take on any men in those environments is deeply dubious unless you are going on the cyborg and bodily enhancements line. Most of these gritty stories with masculinised female leads are nothing but feminist fantasies and hardly realistic at all.

So the question is, if you go for realism properly women won't actually fit as an action lead for a game as it makes zero sense. I actually think characters like He-Man are more realistic than the "strong female" lead as it is just a male archetype and the archetype is rooted in reality.

If you really want to have female action leads in a realistic sense you need them to either have serious amounts of technology to use, like controlling a huge robot from the inside or in other worlds have them as witches/mages using magic. Both of these scenarios do not require masculinising the women to a large degree, especially the latter.

Obviously, if you want a pure fantasy where 7 stone women can defeat massive numbers of huge men, again you need not try to make them look realistic.

Now it is true that no-one is making it illegal to make games with beautiful characters but there is an atmosphere against doing that due to the dominance of certain groups in the media and this does make a difference.

Final random comment, some have said if you want beauty watch porn. The thing is, pornstars aren't actually that beautiful. Think about it, if they were definite 10s, in most cases they would have been picked up by a rich guy and not need to be in porn. Also if you look at their faces they tend to lack a high level of facial symmetry and golden ratios which are typically taken as beautiful. Compare the faces of porn stars and Miss World (or Miss America) contestants and you will see the difference.

 

[D.Final]

Yeah that's usually how something becomes boring, it's more likely I would exaggerate the design. If someone doesn't like the game I would say: It's fine, don't buy it.
What's the big deal? There are other games, buy those and stop moaning about my game. I ignore games all the time for all kinds of reasons but I don't go to their twitter page and cry or shout about why I'm not buying the game, I just ignore it and go on with my life.

THIS

I completely agree with this.
(and unfortunately the people around the world they are still complaining about this kind of aspect on games and movies)

 

[Fess]

Now it is true that no-one is making it illegal to make games with beautiful characters but there is an atmosphere against doing that due to the dominance of certain groups in the media and this does make a difference.

The sad thing is that the loud mouthes probably wouldn't buy the game anyway, like that indie game with ladies with big breasts where the dev posted the hate messages, I seriously doubt the complainers would rush out to buy the game if the characters had A cups. This group of people are just angry at the world or something and gang up to shit on whatever they find that can trigger them. I'm not sure that it matters in the end but it really make the devs lives less enjoyable, which is all it takes for me to think it's a crappy behaviour.

 

[Physiocrat]

The sad thing is that the loud mouthes probably wouldn't buy the game anyway, like that indie game with ladies with big breasts where the dev posted the hate messages, I seriously doubt the complainers would rush out to buy the game if the characters had A cups. This group of people are just angry at the world or something and gang up to shit on whatever they find that can trigger them. I'm not sure that it matters in the end but it really make the devs lives less enjoyable, which is all it takes for me to think it's a crappy behaviour.

That is entirely true. It would be interesting to see an analysis as to whether negative social media coverage harms or helps sales. I think it can give the aura that a game is uncool in certain circumstances and so diminish sales from certain potential customers. The complainers would never buy it but I think they have influence. As an aside, there is a theory that those who spend most of their time of social media are actually the most socially dysfunctional. The reason being, haven't you got anything better to do than join Twitter mobs or trying to cancel someone? Have you not got a job or family to worry about?

 

[Fess]

That is entirely true. It would be interesting to see an analysis as to whether negative social media coverage harms or helps sales. I think it can give the aura that a game is uncool in certain circumstances and so diminish sales from certain potential customers. The complainers would never buy it but I think they have influence. As an aside, there is a theory that those who spend most of their time of social media are actually the most socially dysfunctional. The reason being, haven't you got anything better to do than join Twitter mobs or trying to cancel someone? Have you not got a job or family to worry about?

I was at Resetera up until the Cyberpunk 2077 launch, the way the talk went there made it seem impossible that it would sell well, once the OT got all kinds of rules that made it difficult to even talk about the game it seemed doomed. But we all know the rest, all kinds of sales records. So maybe it doesn't matter. Might even be like PR.

 

[Grand Theft Scratchy]

I wish people would just chill, I mean it's not real so what's the big deal? I'm building a Unity game as a family project, nothing serious at all and super janky. The kids are coming up with all kinds of ideas, it's jolly good fun and they get to learn that games are essentially art you can move etc. And waddayaknow the lead is curvy and I've already got hate messages on social

Yeah, I don't think anyone should receive criticism/hate for designing an attractive character. Or really any kind of character to be fair, but I mention attractive characters because there seems to be a bigger push against those designs. We've always had characters like the first and second generation Lara Croft and Final Fantasy male protagonists that actually do look like they stepped out of a Neutrogena commercial and we always will. I think that's fine. It's familiar.

 

[Physiocrat]

I was at Resetera up until the Cyberpunk 2077 launch, the way the talk went there made it seem impossible that it would sell well, once the OT got all kinds of rules that made it difficult to even talk about the game it seemed doomed. But we all know the rest, all kinds of sales records. So maybe it doesn't matter. Might even be like PR.

I tend to think it is good PR although I think it might harm indie games. In film for example poor reviews of a blockbuster do nothing to deny ticket sales but can seriously harm art house and indie films. It might work something similar here. That said of course it would mean that someone has now actually heard of the game.

 

[BlackM1st]

Fuck the haters

 

[Cherry Sonoshee]

This is a dumbass thread.

No one is saying games shouldn't have good looking characters. What people argue is that games can also have plenty of other people that don't fit into certain standards and that's ok. Or maybe the female characters don't need to look like jerk off material all the time.

The funny part is the people here complaining and going "omg video games are under attack" or the same people who get bent out of a shape and cry when games make a point of having different types of characters. The people calling Abbie a tranny or making constant fun of the lead in Returnal. Sometimes gamers really need to grow up.

 

[Kazekage1981]

I want chris redfield to man handle me

Do you really need balloon tits on female characters? I mean come on, they look they are about to burst...

 

[Keihart]

I want chris redfield to man handle me

Do you really need balloon tits on female characters? I mean come on, they look they are about to burst...

I vividly remember the internet and most fans hating RE5 Chris lmao

 

[BusierDonkey]

Do you really need balloon tits on female characters? I mean come on, they look they are about to burst...

 

[Kazekage1981]