therealminime
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Definitely need a .gif of Hannibal's reaction after being asked if it's that kind of party. Classic Hannibal reaction.
Also, how fucked is that Professor? Hannibal already has a low rudeness-tolerance, but that dude is really pushing it.
Keeping with tradition of nobody watching good shows, Hannibal bombed in ratings (far below the canceled Constantine) at 2.62 million which is a lot lower then season 2 received despite a bigger advertising push.
I can see this show being canceled after this season. For some reason the American audience simply won't watch this show. I know I can't get many of my own friends to even give it a try.
Keeping with tradition of nobody watching good shows, Hannibal bombed in ratings (far below the canceled Constantine) at 2.62 million which is a lot lower then season 2 received despite a bigger advertising push.
I can see this show being canceled after this season. For some reason the American audience simply won't watch this show. I know I can't get many of my own friends to even give it a try.
Fuck you, America.
It will probably be replaced by another generic police procedural that will get three times the ratings. I love Lucy reruns average 6.4 million weekly on CBS (not even joking).
It will probably be replaced by another generic police procedural that will get three times the ratings. I love Lucry reruns average 6.4 million weekly on CBS (not even joking).
Keeping with tradition of nobody watching good shows, Hannibal bombed in ratings (far below the canceled Constantine) at 2.62 million which is a lot lower then season 2 received despite a bigger advertising push.
I can see this show being canceled after this season. For some reason the American audience simply won't watch this show. I know I can't get many of my own friends to even give it a try.
Despite his quality, is not a show for everyone, specially not for the masses, and probably is in the wrong network.
Great episode anyway
This was a terrible hop-on point, and no matter how much positive word of mouth it gets, new viewers just aren't going to latch on unless they want to give it the time and attention needed to latch on.
So far as the episode itself goes - it was good, but it wasn't a great one. Loved the atmosphere of it. But again - a mildly meandering tone piece whose theme is essentially "ethics become aesthetics" isn't a real audience grabber. I'm inclined to agree with JohnDoey when he says this might have been the show at it's least accessible.
This was a terrible hop-on point, and no matter how much positive word of mouth it gets, new viewers just aren't going to latch on unless they want to give it the time and attention needed to latch on.
So far as the episode itself goes - it was good, but it wasn't a great one. Loved the atmosphere of it. But again - a mildly meandering tone piece whose theme is essentially "ethics become aesthetics" isn't a real audience grabber. I'm inclined to agree with JohnDoey when he says this might have been the show at it's least accessible.
Well, it's big overseas, so Netflix might be a good fit.
so, nobody thought they changed hannibal as a character in this? I feel he was much less likeable than before.
killing someone to get a job? abducting and abusing a woman? he felt very different to me, in a bad way.
Unless he said it earlier in the thread, that was me. Just because I don't have an avatar doesn't mean I don't exist dammit!
I don't think NBC will cancel it. It's free money and it gives them critical acclaim that they don't have from anything else while in turn allows them to tell creatives they want to work with that they've kept a show like Hannibal on for 3+ years.
Also, it's free money.
I am really not that sure anymore if she wasn't abducted in the first place. I mean she was suddenly in the plane after he tried to kill her, what happened? In no scene we have seen her being comfortable with him in the new episode. I had the impression he abused her psychologically the whole time.He definitely felt less likable, because we're seeing him as he truly is.
Hannibal is a monster--let's not forget this. Lecter murders people for being rude. That's insane.
I don't think it's necessarily a pure abduction, either--I think Bedelia is, like us, just now realizing the extent of Hannibal's animosity...but I think she was naturally curious, too. She just got in way over her head.
The "are you observing or participating" scene was uncomfortable because it was Hannibal as manipulative as he's ever been.
Robert Greenblatt said:"Hannibal is - and I think most people in this room would agree - one of the best shows we have creatively," Greenblatt said. "It's one of the best reviewed shows that this network has had since I've been here. And we still struggle to find an audience for it. It's great, we're keeping it going, we keep trying to build an audience for it. But, if this were on a cable network the small audience would not matter. It would be deemed more successful than it is on our network. I don't know why five million people or eight million people won't watch Hannibal on a broadcast network. Three million might watch it on Showtime or another cable network and that's okay. The minute you try and do something that is dark, and subversive, and frightening, and gets into that territory, you start to peel away the mass audience. It's just the way it is. Because the quality of that show is undeniable."
Keeping with tradition of nobody watching good shows, Hannibal bombed in ratings (far below the canceled Constantine) at 2.62 million which is a lot lower then season 2 received despite a bigger advertising push.
I can see this show being canceled after this season. For some reason the American audience simply won't watch this show. I know I can't get many of my own friends to even give it a try.
He took off his person suit.so, nobody thought they changed hannibal as a character in this? I feel he was much less likeable than before.
killing someone to get a job? abducting and abusing a woman? he felt very different to me, in a bad way.
I watched and DVR since I didn't know if id stay awakeKeeping with tradition of nobody watching good shows, Hannibal bombed in ratings (far below the canceled Constantine) at 2.62 million which is a lot lower then season 2 received despite a bigger advertising push.
I can see this show being canceled after this season. For some reason the American audience simply won't watch this show. I know I can't get many of my own friends to even give it a try.
Keeping with tradition of nobody watching good shows, Hannibal bombed in ratings (far below the canceled Constantine) at 2.62 million which is a lot lower then season 2 received despite a bigger advertising push.
I can see this show being canceled after this season. For some reason the American audience simply won't watch this show. I know I can't get many of my own friends to even give it a try.
I am really not that sure anymore if she wasn't abducted in the first place. I mean she was suddenly in the plane after he tried to kill her, what happened? In no scene we have seen her being comfortable with him in the new episode. I had the impression he abused her psychologically the whole time.
and about hannibal being likeable.
hannibal is and always was very likeable, well at least in the movies and the tv show so far, I think that is a very important part of his character and his iconic status.
what makes serial killers likeable? when they have a code we can relate to. hannibal ate rude people. that is relatable. of course we know he is still a killer and needs to be put away. a monster, but a monster we can root for in fiction.
I welcome if a character changes during his arc, especially in a long tv show, it's actually something that elevates tv over movies in my opinion. but to me it seemed he abandoned his code, or abandoned "ethics" as bedelia put it. and I am not sure if that good. there's no way I won't finish this season, but I just want to be the one guy in this thread who doesn't like this
I don't think NBC will cancel it. It's free money and it gives them critical acclaim that they don't have from anything else while in turn allows them to tell creatives they want to work with that they've kept a show like Hannibal on for 3+ years.
Also, it's free money.
but how low can the ratings go before it's not worth producing for that company?
Great episode, recognized all the areas in Florence. Why did Hannibal kill the guy and his wife at the very beginning in Paris? Reason behind it or just random?
I absolutely agree on the survival instinct, the scene with the guards in silence of the lambs was exactly what came to my mind when I watched the episode and thought about that. and attacking jack was fine for the same reasons.Well, remember that Hannibal doesn't ONLY kill rude people--he also kills as a survival instinct. That's the only reason (we thought) he killed Abigail in S1. It's the only reason he attacked Jack, someone he considered a friend. It's the only reason Lecter killed two innocent guards in Silence of the Lambs, and it's likely why he killed Dr. Fell, as he needed an identity (this is straight from the Hannibal book, btw).
I'm going to rewatch it this weekend, as I think I'll be able to pick up on a lot more of the dialogue and understand their interactions fully, but just going by the "Inside the Episode", I think Bedelia killing that patient was supposed to be a horrifying but empowering experience that made her curious about Hannibal's lifestyle/psyche.
I don't think NBC will cancel it. It's free money and it gives them critical acclaim that they don't have from anything else while in turn allows them to tell creatives they want to work with that they've kept a show like Hannibal on for 3+ years.
Also, it's free money.
For the record, there's a lot of context here that you're missing. It's also not produced with the same financial model as Constantine, so any comparisons are moot.
I absolutely agree on the survival instinct, the scene with the guards in silence of the lambs was exactly what came to my mind when I watched the episode and thought about that. and attacking jack was fine for the same reasons.
however, I don't see that in dr. fell and bedelia, and since it was stated in the episode he abandonend his ethics and took off his person suit, this is obviously intended, I just don't know if I like it. because I watch that show because of him, because I like him. there, I said it.
Hahaha, I totally get it--I think that's part of the appeal, is that the show undermines your "this guy is a monster" sense with "man, I hope Hannibal would like me if we ever met!"
I'm curious where they go with it. I think once Will is reintroduced, we'll get back to his "affectionate" side.