Supercollider
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Is this where I accuse you of making a "silly" point because you dared to compare this show to big budget movies? Or is this instance OK because the comparison is flattering?
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Hannibal S3 |OT| Man Destroys God. Hannibal Eats Man. Hannibal Inherits The Earth.
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Is this where I accuse you of making a "silly" point because you dared to compare this show to big budget movies? Or is this instance OK because the comparison is flattering?
Candeldandel
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I agree, it was pretty weird. But, if you've seen some of Bryan Fuller's other shows, going full-tilt artsy-fartsy is kind of his shtick. Also, this is his first shot at a S3 of one of his shows, so I'm not too surprised he went off the deep end immediately.
It definitely feels removed from the first two seasons by... a lot. But I think that also has to do that we've only seen Hannibal & Bedelia thus far, and Hannibal doesn't need to maintain his persona we're so used to at this point, and they're in an entirely different setting in pretty much every respect.
Both of those things change the tone and the way we'll be getting information as an audience. However, I'm not too worried. I'm wiling to be confused and dazzled for a few eps at the beginning, since I know I'll be rewatching them. A lot.
metalslimer
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Aren't we supposed to believe that despite bedelia thinking she's in control she is under hannibals influence? I mean she willingly went with him in the first place. I think it's more of a mental prison than her not being able to physically leave.
Extra Sauce
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The premiere looked and sounded ridiculously good. The lines between television and film continue to blur...
Miles Quaritch
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I'm glad I'm not the only one. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Hannibal is back, but this episode was just all kinds of weird.
I didn't even realise the scene with and her hand down the guys throat was a flashback until after Hannibal walked in and said he could he help her tell the story she wanted to be told. They could have used a filter or something to at least let the viewer know it was a flashback.
I hope there aren't too many more like this. Just kick the plot into drive and let's get on with things, I'd hate to see multiple episodes wasted on just Hannibal randomly killing people in France with no real advancement of the plot.
Bobby Roberts
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They did, though.
Gideon flashbacks: B&W 2.35:1 aspect ratio
Bedelia flashbacks: 2.35:1 aspect ratio
Present day: 1.77:1 aspect ratio.
Miles Quaritch
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Huh, I didn't notice any changes.
Guess I need to re-watch it and play much closer attention.
I didn't noticed that Bedelia thought she was in control. She even said something about how she wasnt good enough for him while she had the gun in the flashback. She's also constantly talking about how smart and manipulative Hannibal is.
Leona Lewis
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Supercollider
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Wiktor
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Hannibal had couple black and white flashbacks. Like when they've shown him capturing that FBI girl
That was... stunningly beautiful. Hannibal Lucifer was a little bit too on the nose, but jesus, this show is just incredibly looking, few movies look as good as it does.
I really loved the music in this episode, especially the tune that played during Bedelia's first shop visit. It reminds me of something but I can't really place it.
There was one scene that had a pretty sweet transition from flashback to present day with aspect ratio changing from 2.35:1 to 1.77:1.
I really loved the music in this episode, especially the tune that played during Bedelia's first shop visit. It reminds me of something but I can't really place it.
There was one scene that had a pretty sweet transition from flashback to present day with aspect ratio changing from 2.35:1 to 1.77:1.
Supercollider
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I'd disagree. If anything I think this episode clearly didn't give a single shit about recruiting new audience members. It was fairly slow, pretty weird, bounced around the timeline a lot and referred to a lot of past episodes.
Intheflorsh
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That's only the case for this episode. When Will and the gang get reintroduced I doubt things will be as easy to follow.
However, I think the indulgent and tonally crazy nature of the episode is going to be more off putting to newcomers than anything to do with the plot.
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Why did you censor "bullshit"?
Supercollider
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I'm not sure. I so rarely employ anything even resembling a curse word, but I tend toward asterisks whenever something like that flows out of my writing, and I guess I instinctively followed the same logic here, even though many will find this curious or unnecessary.
Miss.Selfdestruct
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You reminded me how this theme actually makes for a perfect segue for introducing Mr. Dolarhyde...
... Because everything with you is seeing, isn't it? Your primary sensory intake that makes your dream live is seeing... Reflections... Mirrors... Images...
--Will Graham in Manhunter
--Will Graham in Manhunter
Lucky! Hope they won't have to go that alternative.
Anton Sugar
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Er, "Don't Look Now," the classic 70s psychological thriller featuring Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie overcoming the death of a child and following a mysterious red-robed figure around Venice, to be precise.
I assume. It's very well-known and hugely influential where trippy 70s horror flicks (clearly big on Fuller's mind this season) are concerned.
Sounds right, thanks!
Extra Sauce
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edit: Damn it, wrong thread.
So do we think there is any way Bedelia survives this season? I'm also dying to see how they actually end up (Red Dragon/season spoilers?)
having Will finally capturing Hannibal play out, since they already used Hannibal disemboweling him when Hannibal made his escape. Perhaps Bedelia actually is part of Hannibal getting caught.
Enosh
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great, another show that disappeared up it's own ass like Sherlock, well the writing was kinda already on the wall in season 2 so shouldn't be too surprised
I seriously don't understand how people can stand an hour of slow motion shit with some liquid/other artsy bullshit and a complete and utter non sense plot like stealing the identity of an widely known academic who publishes books every few months and thrown parties for it, I mean yes it was there is season one, but maybe I'm just crazy but it was used much more sparingly and to a greater effect because of that, now every fucking second shot is the same shit, it's just tiring to watch it
but they projected Lucifers face over Hannibal! symbolism!
I'd say i'm out, but I still want to see him get captured, guess I can fast forward through most of the the artsy bullshit
of course all imho etc etc
I seriously don't understand how people can stand an hour of slow motion shit with some liquid/other artsy bullshit and a complete and utter non sense plot like stealing the identity of an widely known academic who publishes books every few months and thrown parties for it, I mean yes it was there is season one, but maybe I'm just crazy but it was used much more sparingly and to a greater effect because of that, now every fucking second shot is the same shit, it's just tiring to watch it
but they projected Lucifers face over Hannibal! symbolism!
I'd say i'm out, but I still want to see him get captured, guess I can fast forward through most of the the artsy bullshit
of course all imho etc etc
Who hurt you?
Great point on the "consolation prize" -- that's exactly what she is.
dapperbandit
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When does the next episode air?
Thursday night.
Enosh
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no one, I'm just giving my opinion on the shows direction
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Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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If it's any consolation, I agree with you 100% (Though I'd have been a bit more diplomatic in my wording). As an episode of Hannibal, I'd say that this was easily the worst of the series regardless of the production quality. "Disappearing up its own ass" seems like a fair criticism given the pace of the episode and the generally tepid nature of the conversations within it.
So I finally got home and just finished the episode. Loved every second of it.
I think it's great that the episode focused on Hannibal, his new life, and the tense atmosphere between him and Bedelia (still can't figure out her plan or if she even has one).
Hannibal sure is having fun being a fugitive in Florence (beautiful city by the way), but I thought he also looks hurt and mad. He looks gloomy and colder comparing to last seasons.
I think it's great that the episode focused on Hannibal, his new life, and the tense atmosphere between him and Bedelia (still can't figure out her plan or if she even has one).
Hannibal sure is having fun being a fugitive in Florence (beautiful city by the way), but I thought he also looks hurt and mad. He looks gloomy and colder comparing to last seasons.
This just came in today
it's a beaut.
I really wish they came with digital downloads though.
Looks cool man.
Gorgeous episode and really intriguing to see what Bedelia is doing.
* Is she in the mindset of "can't beat em join em"? Either get killed off as a loose end or stick with Hannibal regardless of how uncomfortable it will be for her?
* Some weird sense of repayment of the favour Hannibal showed in covering up her murder of her patient? Hence why she's not willing to blow the lid on him?
* She's there but to keep tabs on him and have that thin string back to the FBI so they will soon know where Hannibal is located? This one's a bit bleh given there is more than enough for her to drop him in it it and it's been long enough given he's a wanted man.
* Mental torture? Two psychiatrists playing off eachother but Hannibal being the stronger one and able to influence her, resulting in her having no choice but to remain?
So many things to consider.
* Is she in the mindset of "can't beat em join em"? Either get killed off as a loose end or stick with Hannibal regardless of how uncomfortable it will be for her?
* Some weird sense of repayment of the favour Hannibal showed in covering up her murder of her patient? Hence why she's not willing to blow the lid on him?
* She's there but to keep tabs on him and have that thin string back to the FBI so they will soon know where Hannibal is located? This one's a bit bleh given there is more than enough for her to drop him in it it and it's been long enough given he's a wanted man.
* Mental torture? Two psychiatrists playing off eachother but Hannibal being the stronger one and able to influence her, resulting in her having no choice but to remain?
So many things to consider.
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All style no substance. :|
Opus Angelorum
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I don't think the series is 'artsy' at all, striving for grandeur is more accurate.
The 'slow motion/liquid shit' is a visual metaphor/reference to the fractured and abstract emotions.
Anton Sugar
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I mean, you aren't wrong in thinking that the episode was off the rails. I kinda see it as a good thing, simply because I enjoy sequences, in general, presented in something of a dream state. I still want to rewatch the episode to see how much actual meat there was.
However, I have a feeling that at least half this season is going to be this way (Italy). Once we have more characters, the series will probably reign it in a little because there will be more plot to deal with.
I wouldn't say that. It developed and revealed quite a lot about Bedelia and Hannibal's relationship. I think part of the problem might be the feeling that we've seen it before: character realizes how much of a monster Hannibal is and doesn't know what to do.
I think what's unique about Bedelia's situation is that she's being treated as something of a prisoner-participant. She understands the rush associated with killing (justifiably, in her case...it seems) but is absolutely repelled by it. She cannot replace Will and empathize fully with Hannibal.
Admiral Woofington
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I like that the episode was called antipasto and it was an opening to a season with teasing before the shit starts.
Nappuccino
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Woah, really? I'd thought Fuller said we wouldn't get any of that for 4 episodes. Maybe the studio talked some sense into him.
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