I have a feeling Hannibal will send Dolarhyde after Alana instead of Will and that that's what the "promise" has been building up to.
And even if child death is shown, American releases usually cut it out. See: Channel 4's Utopia on Netflix.
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And even if child death is shown, American releases usually cut it out. See: Channel 4's Utopia on Netflix.
Monocle
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Interesting. Seems like a plausible twist.
Wiktor
Member
Yep.
The way Will/Hannibal's relationship has been established it wouldn't feel right if it went like it did in the book. Hannibal always was protective of Will in his own sick way and I think that the only way he would allow Will to be hurt is if he's the one doing the hurting.
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, Chiyoh was....odd.
I'm hoping she might return, but I'm guessing she's pretty much done as a character what with the time skip.
water_wendi
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Another amazing episode. After just one episode with no dialogue (well, there was that 666 mumbling) Richard Armitage has taken the mantle of definitive version of Francis Dolarhyde. i wasnt sold immediately but the grunting part got me completely onboard.
water_wendi
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Was the music during the latter part of Wills investigation the same from the first episode?
The One Who Knocks
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Books (Spoilers for Silence and Red Dragon):
After they used Lounds' would-be death last year, they're almost certainly not going to do it again (in the same manner). They've been building up to Alana's death as soon as she decided to pull the trigger on Hannibal last season, and it has been repeatedly hit a few times very blatantly. We also visited the idea of Hannibal's history of paintings, and the relation this has to his murders (of course, not all of his drawings become murders) and he drew a picture of Alana this episode which is a painting of Botticelli's (below).
Alana's death is definitely coming at some stage, it's merely a case of whether it's in place of Lounds', whether it's in place of Molly's (*that is, if they go that route) or Chilton's following (what would be) The Silence of the Lambs season (Lecter going to have an old friend for dinner). I do think you're on-point that it will be in place of Lounds' though.
Alana's death is definitely coming at some stage, it's merely a case of whether it's in place of Lounds', whether it's in place of Molly's (*that is, if they go that route) or Chilton's following (what would be) The Silence of the Lambs season (Lecter going to have an old friend for dinner). I do think you're on-point that it will be in place of Lounds' though.
(it's Fortitude, and is part of a series of seven paintings)
Anton Sugar
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That was a damned fine episode.
Oh Bryan Fuller. Of COURSE there's no dialogue in the first five minutes of the episode. Dolarhyde's sequences are masterful.
Armitage is killing it and he hasn't said a word. I don't feel like we've ever gotten a performance this physical for the character. Satanic calisthenics=beautiful and disturbing.
I also love how his projector face hallucination is exactly what his victims end up looking like.
I think Molly is fine, but I haven't completely bought their relationship yet--just two scenes with them together and one of them is her encouraging him to go back to the FBI. Still, I do like the actress--she seemed a lot more natural at the dinner table than in the bedroom scene.
Price and Zeller are back! YESSSSS! I've missed them so much.
I admit I've missed the procedural aspect of the show, or at least the beautiful staging and execution of the murders. That shot with Will and the blood wings...so good.
Oh Bryan Fuller. Of COURSE there's no dialogue in the first five minutes of the episode. Dolarhyde's sequences are masterful.
Armitage is killing it and he hasn't said a word. I don't feel like we've ever gotten a performance this physical for the character. Satanic calisthenics=beautiful and disturbing.
I also love how his projector face hallucination is exactly what his victims end up looking like.
I think Molly is fine, but I haven't completely bought their relationship yet--just two scenes with them together and one of them is her encouraging him to go back to the FBI. Still, I do like the actress--she seemed a lot more natural at the dinner table than in the bedroom scene.
Price and Zeller are back! YESSSSS! I've missed them so much.
I admit I've missed the procedural aspect of the show, or at least the beautiful staging and execution of the murders. That shot with Will and the blood wings...so good.
Yeah, Fuller said the last episode was the end of her arc.
What that arc was, well...
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think the thing I'm most curious about regarding the adaptation of Red Dragon is Dolarhyde's methods:
My wife pointed this out: Who in 2015 (or 2018, really) is sending pictures and home movies out to be developed anymore? Sure, you could suggest that he works at a place that converts old VHS-C and mini-DV home movies to DVD or whatever, but people don't really do that, either.
Anton Sugar
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Also, Reitzell is on-point with that Dolarhyde theme/music. Like the rest of the season, some of his stuff early on was just a BIT too experimental.
water_wendi
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Thats a good point. im also wondering what hes done with the time.
The first scene in the first episode is supposed to be Dolarhydes, right? Thats like at least 3 years because of the time jump and however long it is from the start of Hannibal until the end of the Verger stuff.
cloud_sleep
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He probably just searches social media until he finds a family that takes his fancy. Perhaps he works at a server company and has access to stuff families store in the cloud?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Huh. That's actually pretty clever. And could add to the general threat of the Tooth Fairy in a way the original couldn't get at.
Now I'm gonna be disappointed when it's not that.
Anton Sugar
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There are a lot of cryptic references to what will happen to Will if he gets involved. "If I do this, I might change", Hannibal telling him to NOT help Jack because only "madness awaits"...
I think something's gonna happen to our boy by season's end. Red Dragon book speculation:
Also:
I think something's gonna happen to our boy by season's end. Red Dragon book speculation:
doesn't his face get horribly fucked up? I recall that they skimped on this in the Rattner version.
Also:
TrAcEr_x90
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That is awesome! Reminds me of Whilce Portacio!
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
i shudder to think of where Will is going to end up. Red Dragon spoilers..
A horribly mutilated face is nothing for this version of the tale.
Have you been acknowledged by the Hannibal crew yet?
Not that I'm aware of haha
Monocle
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That doesn't seem right. Your Hannibal fanart is definitely among the best I've seen.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Gorgeous work as usual
Not much else to be said that wasn't already, other than to emphasize the return of the secret best power couple on the show: Zeller and Price. Fantastic start to the Red Dragon.
Also got a special package this morning (thanks in part to the immense kindness of a fellow member of Hannibal-GAF, THANK YOU AGAIN!)...
I'm on vacation next week up at our cabin, gonna try to build a custom frame while there and will post pics when it's all done and framed.
Also got a special package this morning (thanks in part to the immense kindness of a fellow member of Hannibal-GAF, THANK YOU AGAIN!)...
I'm on vacation next week up at our cabin, gonna try to build a custom frame while there and will post pics when it's all done and framed.
ffejeromdiks
Banned
Been enjoying your stuff in this thread over a year now, and I just realized I don't think I've ever said anything about it, thanks for the fantastic art dude.
Hannibal is definitely one of the greatest shows on television to draw visual inspiration from.
UpperCaseN
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When did Hannibal promise to kill Alana? They've brought that up like twice now and that he "always keeps his promises," but I don't remember.
Leona Lewis
Banned
S2 finale, when she walked in on Hannibal and Jack. Hannibal told her that if she left, he wouldn't seek her out, but if she stayed, he would kill her.
She then proceeded to shoot at him with an unloaded pistol and get defenestrated by Abigail Hobbs.
Anton Sugar
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EDIT:
So glad these guys are back.
I believe it was the season 2 finale, when Alana enters the house with her gun as Hannibal is trying to break into the pantry where Jack is. He gives her an ultimatum, that she can leave the house now and everything will be fine, but if she doesn't he will kill her.
EDIT: Beaten twice over like Jack did to Hannibal.
UpperCaseN
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The One Who Knocks
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The titles (for five of the Red Dragon episodes) actually the titles of the Red Dragon paintings by William Blake (which are also in relation to the biblical Great Red Dragon):
Painting One: The Great Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed in Sun
Painting Two: The Great Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed with the Sun
Painting Three: The Great Red Dragon and the Beast from the Sea
Painting Four: The Number of the Beast is 666
So
Episode One: The Great Red Dragon...
Episode Two: ...and the Woman Clothed in Sun.
Episode Three: ...and the Woman Clothed with the Sun.
Episode Four: ...and the Beast from the Sea.
Episode Five: The Number of the Beast is 666.
EDIT: I do agree with you that it was a very clever choice to use these though I must admit!
The series finale, "Wrath of the Lamb" , is indeed a direct biblical reference from Revelation 6:16 (obviously, it also evokes "The Silence of the Lambs"):
"They called to the mountains and the rocks, 'Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the lamb!'"."
Interestingly, William Blake also wrote a poem called "The Lamb"
Little Lamb who made thee
Dost thou know who made thee
Gave thee life & bid thee feed.
By the stream & o’er the mead;
Gave thee clothing of delight,
Softest clothing wooly bright;
Gave thee such a tender voice,
Making all the vales rejoice!
Little Lamb who made thee
Dost thou know who made thee
Little Lamb I’ll tell thee,
Little Lamb I’ll tell thee!
He is called by thy name,
For he calls himself a Lamb:
He is meek & he is mild,
He became a little child:
I a child & thou a lamb,
We are called by his name.
Little Lamb God bless thee.
Little Lamb God bless thee.
In regards to why it is called "The Wrath of the Lamb", and its potential relevance to Red Dragon:
(book spoilers)
It could be in reference to who 'created' Dollarhyde, and shaped him into becoming the violent individual that he is. Was it 'Hannibal' (fitting for the profound 'who made thee' and the religious connotations of the question), Dollarhyde's mother (grandmother?), a cruel and predatory society, or was Dollarhyde doomed from the start? The relation the 'wrath' aspect has is quite obvious in regards to what he does.
Anton Sugar
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I'm really curious how Dolarhyde's past will be handled. Interviews with Fuller and Armitage haven't revealed much, other than making Dolarhyde sympathetic and his interactions with (minor Red Dragon storyline spoilers)
Reba will be akin to a "tragic love story".
I still hold out hope that the show could come back sometime in the future with a TV/DVD/Netflix movie or a small 4 episode event or something. If Firefly could do it back in 2002 and come back with a movie on the big screen, and if Jericho could come back from a season 1 cancellation with 7 more episodes in 2006...
Then the Fannibals could probably do it too in this day and age.
However, the show's tie with Amazon has just complicated things - it's a crying shame that apparently Netflix was interested in picking up Hannibal but couldn't because of politics wresting the show away from them.
cagelessrat
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I just want to post some appreciation for Laurence Fishburne as Jack Crawford. He doesn't seem to get talked about as much as other characters, but I think he's great. He's a survivor, and his fights with Hannibal are some of my favorite scenes.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Definitely, I've loved his portrayal of Jack since he yelled at that guy to use the other bathroom in Episode 1.
I honestly can't think of a character I don't like on this show. Even Chilton ended up being great. Well...Chiyo was a little hit or miss for me.
VistraNorrez
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With the current speculation that
I still think
Alana is dead this season, maybe in place of Freddie,
Freddie has to die, too. No way Hannibal isn't pissed about the stunt she helped pull on them.
Zoe
Member
The last part is why I'm thinking
she could still die by wheelchair as a tribute to Hannibal.
I really missed Will's imagination with reliving the crimes and the pendulum effect.
I think it's a combination of not being on twitter and that I'd probably react like Troy Barnes did to LeVar Burton haha. But I'm glad you guys like my art!
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