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Has Sony dropped the ball with no showpiece fighter available at launch?
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Killer Instinct making a return inspires confidence. And who knows? Maybe it will suck. But it's really hard to tell with this one, and I'd rather look at it positively until we can know for sure.
It shouldn't. Like every other good game on earth, Killer Instinct was only good because it was made by a talented development team. There's nothing inherently good about any IP.
Not hearing a single negative impression of the game even though they bring it to every event they can does inspire confidence though. Wouldn't you agree? Every single person who has played the game and shared their impressions has said it's a fun game. And all of the competitive players who have tried it think it's great.
Shit, it was already voted into a road to evo tournament. And neither it, nor the console it's releasing on have come out yet.
Sure, I agree. And the Double Helix that made their previous outings is different, and their team has multiple people with experience ranging from working on games like skullgirls, street fighter 2 turbo, the original KI, and weaponlord. They've had the game playable constantly and are always open to feedback, and have shown the game a ton on stream. It's a game they're clearly confident about and the genuine enthusiasm people who have already tried it come back with instills confidence.
starwarsfan541
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Somewhat.
Some exclusive high profile fighter might make me consider getting a PS4.
Some exclusive high profile fighter might make me consider getting a PS4.
Poker Face
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What does that have to do with anything? The team is COMPLETELY different for KI and Ken Lobb is overseeing the whole project. Taking jabs at Double Helix is pointless at this point. This game has had nothing but overwhelmingly positive impressions.
Like is the ONLY argument people have against this game "lol double helix"
Ragingnight
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heres my argument against the game and why I probably wouldn't even play it if it was on ps3/ps4
Its 2D DoA.
It'd help me care more, if they had a fighter.
The only things that make me say "man, I want a PS4" are the promised JP series coming to it (as we can bet it'll be the system they develop for primarily between the two), and a few of their Indie games.
But nothing at launch really attracts me. I could care less about Killzone; I've had a PS2 and 3, and never have been fully attracted to the games. Uncharted, God of War... they don't really DO anything for me. They're the kind of games I play when they're hyped, or when I get them on a good sale... but they don't stick with me.
Sony's just pushing the same genres everything I currently own on PS3 and Xbox 360 already has armies of. I love their indie focus, but I'll play loads of them on the Vita + an eventual Vita TV.
Rime is probably the most interesting of all the early announced games I've seen.
I guess it feels odd for me. Sony keeps telling me how much their worldwide studios are working on all these varied games... but I feel like I've have access to lots of them with all the hardware I already have from them, or that they're just not making games in genres I care about as much.
Why does XB1 have the closest thing to a Hot Shots Golf between them both? Along with a Panzer Dragoon Spiritual successor, and the team that made it working for them? Why are they the ones delivering a remake on a classic fighter IP? It just seems so odd.
The only things that make me say "man, I want a PS4" are the promised JP series coming to it (as we can bet it'll be the system they develop for primarily between the two), and a few of their Indie games.
But nothing at launch really attracts me. I could care less about Killzone; I've had a PS2 and 3, and never have been fully attracted to the games. Uncharted, God of War... they don't really DO anything for me. They're the kind of games I play when they're hyped, or when I get them on a good sale... but they don't stick with me.
Sony's just pushing the same genres everything I currently own on PS3 and Xbox 360 already has armies of. I love their indie focus, but I'll play loads of them on the Vita + an eventual Vita TV.
Rime is probably the most interesting of all the early announced games I've seen.
I guess it feels odd for me. Sony keeps telling me how much their worldwide studios are working on all these varied games... but I feel like I've have access to lots of them with all the hardware I already have from them, or that they're just not making games in genres I care about as much.
Why does XB1 have the closest thing to a Hot Shots Golf between them both? Along with a Panzer Dragoon Spiritual successor, and the team that made it working for them? Why are they the ones delivering a remake on a classic fighter IP? It just seems so odd.
Have you played it?
Ragingnight
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I don't need to play it to know that the fundamentals are similar, but nice try anyways.
I mean does anybody really need to play it to know it shares a similar game mechanic/meta as DoA? The game is a guess/read game in which you have to guess/read the breaker/counter breaker.
O hey that sounds like DoA gameplan with holds.
The part where they separate is 2D vs 3D core mechanics, which changes things quite a bit, but not enough where the overall game plan is still similar. The actual game starts when you hit the other person not beforehand like in other fighting games, because you do relatively little damage from fireballs and pokes. Just watch the stream and listen to what filthyrich has said in the past. The high damage combos come from counter breakers and just avoiding getting broken. Unlike traditional fighters where the game is avoid getting hit while landing a hit.
But I guess I need to play the game to know that. Shit is annoying when non fighting game players try to talk as if they know jack shit about fighting games.
The whole "have you played it" shit is stupid when it comes to fighting games. If you are familiar enough with fighting game fundamentals, then you can probably tell what games you will like and what games you won't just by watching it.
It was just a question. No need to get your panties in a bunch.
Ragingnight
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eh, sorry. I took it the wrong way. After years of drive-by post of "have you played it?" and other really dumb rhetoric question I just assume anybody that ask is asking to be an ass.
Rhazer Fusion
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Unfortunately, I doubt any fighter would be a system seller for PS4. It would hep, but the genre seems to be fading a little. It's mostly about sports, shooters and license games now.
Project Alice
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No problem, I could have elaborated in my post a bit more.
To me it is. Looks beautiful and from the developer commentary is really deep.
I think the game looks okay, but that morphing effect looks terrible.
Jdnathan11
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SickTo me it is. Looks beautiful and from the developer commentary is really deep.
Byakuya769
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This generation's Battle Arena Toshinden. I'm calling it.
shinra-bansho
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Just a quick look at fighting game launch month sales (NPD) on consoles over the past few years.
[2011]
Marvel vs Capcom 3 (PS3, 360) - 790.2K
[2012]
Streetfighter x Tekken (PS3, 360) - greater than 230K
Soulcalibur V (PS3, 360) - between 221K and 330K
Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (PS3, 360) - between 88K and 99K (creamsugar)
Dead or Alive 5 (PS3, 360) - did not chart in launch month
PlayStation All-Stars (PS3) - less than 80K [PSV - less than 8K]
[2013]
Injustice: Gods Among Us (PS3, 360, Wii U) - 760K
It seems like unless you have a big license (DC Comics) or are Capcom, you can't really achieve great sales. Although Soulcalibur did okay.
[2011]
Marvel vs Capcom 3 (PS3, 360) - 790.2K
[2012]
Streetfighter x Tekken (PS3, 360) - greater than 230K
Soulcalibur V (PS3, 360) - between 221K and 330K
Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (PS3, 360) - between 88K and 99K (creamsugar)
Dead or Alive 5 (PS3, 360) - did not chart in launch month
PlayStation All-Stars (PS3) - less than 80K [PSV - less than 8K]
[2013]
Injustice: Gods Among Us (PS3, 360, Wii U) - 760K
It seems like unless you have a big license (DC Comics) or are Capcom, you can't really achieve great sales. Although Soulcalibur did okay.
Ragingnight
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ehhh simplifying that isn't right, you have to understand the history of those releases.
There were TONS of fighting games getting release within a 2 year window. This is the current golden age of fighting games at the moment so there is tons of saturation.
SFxT had crossassault incident + mixed reviews from the FGC.
SC5 was known to be rushed and the series has been suffering fatigue
TTT2 has been suffering fatigue as well. Also it is known to be a hard game to learn which dissuaded people from getting it.
DoA5 never really had a big following. Tons of casuals that bought the game when there weren't many fighters around but the scene was small.
Injustice had 2 things going for it. The NRS crowd and the DC license. Those two ensure that it would do well.
MvC3 was a successor to one of the most beloved fighting games ever. MvC2 has brought so much hype that people bought the game based on the name.
PSAS was never going to sell well. New IP, character selection was highly questionable and no history from the devs.
Even SF5 wouldn't sell well in the current market. Just too many fighting games out at the moment.
KI will do decently well because its the ONLY new fighting game on next gen consoles.
Muppet of a Man
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KI is a good looking game that also seems to be a fun, good playing game, as well.
Kind of wish there was an awesome True Next Gen Tekken Tag Tournament sequel a la PS2 launch style.
Kind of wish there was an awesome True Next Gen Tekken Tag Tournament sequel a la PS2 launch style.
shinra-bansho
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I agree with what you're saying; there's nuance beyond the pure numbers.
But I don't think there's necessarily a disconnect there; essentially because it's an over-saturated market, only games within that market with certain things going for them (large historical followings like Capcom fighters, appealing licensed characters like DC and Marvel comics) can survive and/or thrive.
It will be interesting to see how Killer Instinct performs.
Ragingnight
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I think it will do fine. The budget can't be that high compared to say mvc3/injustice considering their development time.
KI will have the whole F2P + first fighting game thing to help them. Casuals will want to pay the 20 bucks, get all the characters rather than just wait for the rotation. Look at League of Legends players, many of them drop money easily when a character is release because they want it the moment its available. Same thing will happen for KI.
I see it has been covered well that fighters sell like shit these days. Sony themselves attempted it a year ago and it was a major bomba.
The biggest genre is First-Person-Shooters however and the PS4 is owning it in that department with Killzone SF and highly superior multiplatform games.
The biggest genre is First-Person-Shooters however and the PS4 is owning it in that department with Killzone SF and highly superior multiplatform games.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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If they make a direct copy of Smash's gameplay, I'd buy it day one and probably never put it down. I can name many people who would do the same thing. And I'm sure those people can name some of their own.
Ultimatepancake
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Interestingly enough, people do. In fact, after playing SF4 (got for free on PS+) I've decided that I'm probably not going to play another capcom fighting game ever again (yes, it's that bad). I have, however, played other fighting games (DOA, Tekken), and I love them.
Eh, IMO PSASBR's system was better. Much harder to get your kills stolen.
This topic is basically about Killer Instinct, but with Sony pile driving the XbONE 2:1 in console pre-sales and KillZone having about a 1/4 of a million in pre-sales vs. Forza's 90 some thousand copies pre-sold just in the US no one can really say Sony dropped the ball. Sony's exclusive content is already displacing MS' in a significant way and Sony's better performance showings on multiplats isn't helping MS either.
Injustice is a good and tested fighter that will tide fighter fans over for a little while and my guess is that it will be better regarded on next gen pretty quickly. There's definitely a resurgence in the fighting game genre so Sony will have to have a significant exclusive showing in the genre to help bolster it's "Necessary Diversity in Genre" mantra.
Killer Instinct has some problems already
A.) It's not looking great and the conversation surrounding that is growing
B.) The game has a crippled cast of playable characters feature built-in where you basically only get a 5th of the game before having the Pay2Win gremlins knocking on your front door.
Injustice is a good and tested fighter that will tide fighter fans over for a little while and my guess is that it will be better regarded on next gen pretty quickly. There's definitely a resurgence in the fighting game genre so Sony will have to have a significant exclusive showing in the genre to help bolster it's "Necessary Diversity in Genre" mantra.
Killer Instinct has some problems already
A.) It's not looking great and the conversation surrounding that is growing
B.) The game has a crippled cast of playable characters feature built-in where you basically only get a 5th of the game before having the Pay2Win gremlins knocking on your front door.
AgentP
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No kidding, great game I'm double dipping on. Better than a half a fighter game made by a B level Dev.
Loved that game as a kid. Even named my anole lizard Duke Lightning in honor of the gold man.
shouamabane
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I bought a PS3 when VF5 came out. It was exclusive at the time. I hope KI is good.
Deckard Cain
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To me it is. Looks beautiful and from the developer commentary is really deep.
Are you watching the same thing I am? There are like 4 frames of animation on that spin kick. This is a freakin next gen game for god sakes.
DryEyeRelief
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1. The FGC and the general public are two different audiences. A Vs game doesn't have the same pull as a Mortal Kombat does.
2. MvC3 is only the most popular in the US.
Anticitizen One
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I think some exec at sony saw this thread and quickly jumped into bed with Capcom:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=711103
Dat speedy response time
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=711103
Dat speedy response time
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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We can look forward to Guilty Gear Xrd in 2014. If you're wondering about JP fighters I don't think that any developer would release one for the NA launch considering the PS4 isn't coming to Japan till February.
Prince Vultan
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Is that gonna be from Xbone buyers after they've actually played Killer Instinct?
I kid... the tears will obviously be from after they've played Ryse.
That's a GIF, and they're applying a lot of hitstop effects to the animation to make it freeze like that in-engine. You'll see the in-betweens when the game is running at 60FPS.