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Has the PS5 already cemented itself as the worst Playstation generation in history?

What's Sony's worst generation?

  • Playstation

    Votes: 13 1.6%
  • Playstation 2

    Votes: 8 1.0%
  • Playstation 3

    Votes: 211 25.7%
  • Playstation 4

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • Playstation 5

    Votes: 565 68.9%

  • Total voters
    820

James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
but if the first half with games like God of War III, Uncharted 1 & 2, Killzone 2, LittleBigPlanet or Infamous was ROUGH

most of those games came out barely by second half

The ps5 definitely has a bunch better lineup than that, and more consistently spread out

Demons Souls
Spider-Man miles morales
Returnal
Ratchet
Horizon FW
Gran Turismo 7
God of War Ragnarok
Spider-Man 2
Helldivers 2
Stellar Blade
AstroBot

Isn’t even close
 
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GHG

Member
Still played through it with no problem. It's still part of the library.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

If you can't see all the ubislop in so many of the 1st party games yourself, me just repeating the names of the games won't help you.

Well you're the one accusing me of not being sincere. You also disputed it being 3 games. Quintify it, should be easy for you.

You made the original statement, the onus is on you to back it up.
 
Its just a poll inflated by your peers, wont change the fact that PS5 is on its way to sell 100m and your precious Xbox is barley managing 2m/Year .. oof

If PS6 doesn’t come until late 2028 it’ll sell a lot more than that.

Worth also remembering that there will be a long cross gen period for PS5/PS6.

The thread title makes no sense, how can anything be cemented when the console is barely halfway through its lifespan?
 
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Buggy Loop

Gold Member
The facts and the poll.

Gotta love how the masquerade of fanboys downplaying and dismissing every criticism of Sony gets destroyed in one poll. We are not just the vocal minority, they are.

Didn't you see James Sawyer Ford James Sawyer Ford 's reason?

"All the pc master racists voting for ps5"

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Well you're the one accusing me of not being sincere. You also disputed it being 3 games. Quintify it, should be easy for you.

You made the original statement, the onus is on you to back it up.
Because I know where this is going. I'll list games and your next post will ask for a dissertation on each one giving details. I'm not playing that game.

Besides, we've already established the PS3 library was better and that's the main point.
 

JORMBO

Darkness no more
PS3 is the worst gen for me. There are more JRPGs coming out today then I can play. They were pretty sparse during the PS3 gen and there was "HD towns are hard to make" from SE.
 

BlackTron

Member
The cost of modern development doesn’t allow any games to be entirely exclusive anymore

These aren’t cheap games to make like they were in the past, and some of these companies have been on the verge of bankruptcy in the past

Why do you want them exclusive and why should a ps5 owner care?

PS5 owners should care because Sony leads the charge to sell its consoles with exclusive content. Once you're locked into PS, they continue to make money by selling you third party games, services and MTX on their platform, like vbucks. All that makes Sony richer so they can be strong and make more exclusive games, so more people will buy into PS...and so on.

Looking for more money by dissipating your IP is missing the big picture. Meanwhile the PC market is up while console market is down (empirical facts).

Sony fans interested in many many more quality games financed by Sony should care deeply.
 

GHG

Member
Because I know where this is going. I'll list games and your next post will ask for a dissertation on each one giving details. I'm not playing that game.

Besides, we've already established the PS3 library was better and that's the main point.

No, it's quite simple really, just list the games. That's all it takes. If not then your original statement has no basis in reality.

And no, launch aligned the PS3 library and overall ownership experience was definitely not better. At this point in time the revival was just getting started after 4 years of watching the competition be the better place to play games by a huge margin.
 

James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
PS5 owners should care because Sony leads the charge to sell its consoles with exclusive content. Once you're locked into PS, they continue to make money by selling you third party games, services and MTX on their platform, like vbucks. All that makes Sony richer so they can be strong and make more exclusive games, so more people will buy into PS...and so on.

Looking for more money by dissipating your IP is missing the big picture. Meanwhile the PC market is up while console market is down (empirical facts).

Sony fans interested in many many more quality games financed by Sony should care deeply.

PS5 is not down substantively aligned versus ps4, it’s the most successful generation Sony has had and profits are way up over the ps4
 
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SenkiDala

Member
I kinda agree. The PS5 isn't bad at all, it is a good console, but... Trying to become a leader at GaaS games is not what we expect from a PlayStation. Same with all those remasters/remakes. I'm all for remakes or remasters but not when half of your catalogue is this.

The PS1 is my fav, PS2 is second, PS3 is 3rd, PS4 4th and... PS5 last... So for me it's becoming less and less interesting, gen by gen.

PS1>PS2>PS3>PS4>PS5.

Again the PS5 isn't bad, it's the best actual console, but I miss Japan Studios, those "risky 1st party games" that only Sony dared to make, trying new concepts... Now it's all about GaaS (failures) or no risk random AAA (Horizon, Ratchet, etc), they're not bad games, they're not like "yes I expceted a good game, I had a good game" that you forget 24hours after finishing it.
 

Honey Bunny

Member
Wasn't Uncharted 2 recently named the most influential PS game or something? Was it IGN? Gamespot?

Uncharted 2, GOW3, KZ2, Uncharted 3, Infamous and TLOU are a huge reason for why Sony finished that generation strong and created a massive amount of goodwill among gamers who were frustrated with MS abandoning core gamers after Kinect launched in 2010.

Maybe some people have a memory of a goldfish but this was posted everywhere back in the day. Not just on gaf. The PS4 wasn't an accident. People wanted to play sequels to KZ, Uncharted, Infamous, TLOU and GOW.

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Fuck me, that picture was essential in the ps360 fanbowars era.
 

GHG

Member
Still waiting for them to provide a list of great PC exclusives that I should ditch my PS5 and Switch for.

They go on about PC like it’s the late 90s still.

Yeh when I look at the vast majority of games I play on my PC I can play pretty much all of them as well on my PS5 Pro to a good standard.

But that's exactly the issue, there's too much library crossover, they are pretty much identical. So if you want the absolute best then you'll end up playing pretty much everything outside of a handful of games on PC (which is what I do). But this is the grave Sony are digging for themselves.
 
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James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
But that's exactly the issue, there's too much library crossover, they are pretty much identical. So if you want the absolute best then you'll end up playing pretty much everything outside of a handful of games on PC (which is what I do).

Most people are not owning both, and the games also being on pc doesn’t diminish the entertainment value of a ps5 owner.

PS5 should be judged on its overall library, not just what is “exclusive”
 

BlackTron

Member
PS5 is not down substantively aligned versus ps4, it’s the most successful generation Sony has had and profits are way up over the ps4

For a gen that Xbox completely shit the bed, Sony should be doing better than "not down substantively compared to last time". Sony could/should have done a better job absorbing those clients.
 

James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
For a gen that Xbox completely shit the bed, Sony should be doing better than "not down substantively compared to last time". Sony could/should have done a better job absorbing those clients.

It’s basically flat with ps4 units
and selling at a much higher price, Sony cares about profits not artificially boosting their user base while subsidizing billions in losses like the ps3
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
most of those games came out barely by second half

The ps5 definitely has a bunch better lineup than that, and more consistently spread out

Demons Souls
Spider-Man miles morales
Returnal
Ratchet
Horizon FW
Gran Turismo 7
God of War Ragnarok
Spider-Man 2
Helldivers 2
Stellar Blade
AstroBot

Isn’t even close
And most of those are sequels, one is a remake and two spiderman games that are similar. It's mostly familiar ground.

What if a gamer (which Sony gamers are supposed to cherish) prefers over Nintendo and Xbox's "same games" wants lots of new IPs and games like what Sony did for PS3? Where's all the innovative IPs like past gens? And this discussion doesn't even include the tons more smaller scale games, or Move games which Sony made tons of back then, where they've barely even supported VR2. Sony even made other sports and F1 games on PS3 beyond baseball.
 
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BlackTron

Member
Most people are not owning both, and the games also being on pc doesn’t diminish the entertainment value of a ps5 owner.

PS5 should be judged on its overall library, not just what is “exclusive”

We can judge Switch by it's overall library without any first party games, and it's still a fine library.

Good look selling it. This is what would happen to Switch 2 if they went PC versions and Switch 1 crossgen phase

Switch 150 million units

Switch 2 60-80 million units

And that means less third party and MTX revenue while you sit back and do nothing.
 
No, it's quite simple really, just list the games. That's all it takes. If not then your original statement has no basis in reality.
You seem a little upset that I won't do your assignment.
And no, launch aligned the PS3 library and overall ownership experience was definitely not better. At this point in time the revival was just getting started after 4 years of watching the competition be the better place to play games by a huge margin.
PS3 had a better, bigger, more varied library. Most of GAF sees this, idk why you can't.
 

James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
We can judge Switch by it's overall library without any first party games, and it's still a fine library.

Good look selling it. This is what would happen to Switch 2 if they went PC versions and Switch 1 crossgen phase

Switch 150 million units

Switch 2 60-80 million units

And that means less third party and MTX revenue while you sit back and do nothing.

Nintendo anyways lived and died by first party offerings, they also make profit on their outdated hardware, unlike Sony.

Their business strategies are not the same
 

GHG

Member
Most people are not owning both, and the games also being on pc doesn’t diminish the entertainment value of a ps5 owner.

PS5 should be judged on its overall library, not just what is “exclusive”

They should get back to priding themselves on their exclusive library because if steamOS gathers steam (excuse the pun) then it becomes a real threat to their current business model.

While not worse than the PS3 generation up to this point, this generation they have been very fortunate that the competition have thoroughly shit the bed. It's allowed them to attempt this failed experiment with GAAS with it going largely unnoticed to the general population. They need to course correct now though, and do so quickly, because it's not sustainable and will eventually catch up with them.
 
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Jakk

Member
most of those games came out barely by second half

The ps5 definitely has a bunch better lineup than that, and more consistently spread out

Demons Souls
Spider-Man miles morales
Returnal
Ratchet
Horizon FW
Gran Turismo 7
God of War Ragnarok
Spider-Man 2
Helldivers 2
Stellar Blade
AstroBot

Isn’t even close
Well, that's your opinion. From that list, I thought Demon's Souls and Astro Bot were exceptional, Helldivers 2 and GT 7 very good, other games didn't really wow me. Also, I was criticizing mainly first party output, meaning PlayStation Studios, so Helldivers 2 and Stellar Blade don't really count. There's also a bunch of cross-gen titles - I don't want to say they don't count, but it's kind of funny coming from the company that "believes in generations". Honestly, I expected much more from this generation - PlayStation had great momentum coming from the PS4 generation and now with the GaaS fiasco it looks like it's all gone. Hopefully they learned their lesson.
 
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James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
They should get back to priding themselves on their exclusive library because if steamOS gathers steam (excuse the pun) then it becomes a real threat to their current business model.

While not worse than the PS3 generation up to this point, this generation they have been very fortunate that the competition have thoroughly shit the bed. It's allowed them to attempt this failed experiment with GAAS with it going largely unnoticed to the general population. They need to course correct now though, and do so quickly, because it's not sustainable and will eventually catch up with them.

They don’t need to do anything, their strategy works just fine, and people with PlayStation ecosystem libraries aren’t suddenly going to buy into a SteamOS
 
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James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
Well, that's your opinion. From that list, I thought Demon's Souls and Astro Bot were exceptional, Helldivers 2 and GT 7 very good, other games didn't really wow me. Also, I was criticizing mainly first party output, meaning PlayStation Studios, so Helldivers 2 and Stellar Blade don't really count. There's also a bunch of cross-gen titles - I don't want to say they don't count, but it's kind of funny coming from the company that "believes in generations". Honestly, I expected much more from this generation - PlayStation had great momentum coming from the PS4 generation and now with the GaaS fiasco it looks like it's all gone. Hopefully they learned their lesson.

Everyone has their own opinions, I didn’t think half the ps3 list is as good as people make it out to be
 

BlackTron

Member
Nintendo anyways lived and died by first party offerings, they also make profit on their outdated hardware, unlike Sony.

Their business strategies are not the same

Nintendo lived and died by first party because that's where their exclusive content came from. Sony still had exclusives but they came from third party like FF7 and MGS. So having FF7 on PC now is like if Zelda went to PC. So Sony needs to be doubly protective of exclusive games, because they're losing the ones they were handed "for free" on PS1.

If my Zelda of that generation had gone to PC, and I was playing catch up making my own exclusive IP. I wouldn't be spamming them on PC, teasing Asto Bot on PC before it even comes out. Craziness.
 

jumpship

Member
Comparing full length PlayStation generations to one only halfway through the gen including a global pandemic unlike the others?? Is this serious?

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Not to worry, I know a guy, name's Doc, has this modified DeLorean, I'll travel to the future NOV 20 2028 hangout for 6 months, play and platinum some of the best games there, try out PS6 and be back within a minute of you reading this.

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Holy fucking shit you guys I'm back. Knew it was premature calling the PS5 generation based on the first-half of the gen, those added 4 years worth of first and third-Party releases second-half has absolute bangers from what I played. PS6 is awesome. Sorry can't spoil the details, Doc told me I could break the space-time continuum or something.

I'll just say it hands down beats the first-half, like it did last-gen and the gen before that.
 

GHG

Member
You seem a little upset that I won't do your assignment.

Reminder, your statement:

PS5 has too many ubisoft clones and not enough else.

As such, the onus is on you to back it up.

But shirking away from quanifying something when questioned is the standard behavior when the original statement has no basis in reality.

PS3 had a better, bigger, more varied library. Most of GAF sees this, idk why you can't.

"most of GAF" seem to be emotional right now, are answering the question on the basis of 1st party only and also once thought the switch would be a flop. This is not the boon you think it is.

Meanwhile the console is doing far better than the PS3 did with the general populous. Funny how that works.

They don’t need to do anything, their strategy works just fine, and people with PlayStation ecosystem libraries aren’t suddenly going to buy into a SteamOS

Well that would be unfortunate, because I'd rather they get a proverbial kick up the butt.
 
All valid points if we're breaking down PlayStation from a business standpoint. As I said in another thread, Sony is very fortunate that MS has its own shares of issues this gen and therefore hasn't lost any market share.

With that said, I don't regret my PS5 purchase this gen. I have more games in my PS5 backlog than I'll ever get around to playing all of them. So just from a value standpoint, it's a device that I use almost every day and I've never not had games to play.

That's good to hear, you seeing the value in your PS5. I'll say, just because I feel there are several strongly legitimate criticisms to levy against the platform to where I can easily see why some consider it the worst PS gen, doesn't mean I think PS5 is a bad system by any stretch. It is still an amazing platform looking at it from the customer POV, especially if you missed out on some of the big titles when they initially released.

However, by that notion I could say the Series S & X are great systems too, and from that perspective I just outlined, they are. But personally, I'd say that's too easy a metric to measure a system. There's too much a recency bias and too much a micro perspective applied in that type of viewpoint IMO, but again that's just speaking to my tastes when it comes to analyzing a platform.

Cynicism of the present and romanticism of the past are taking root hard.

There is no way anyone with a straight face would compare first party output in the days of Rise of Honor and Mark of Kri to what we're getting from Sony now.

Even games like Syphon Filter are comparatively dogshit compared to the games we're getting now. I've been around every step of the way and I've played most of these games and they're largely unplayable today. There were a few gems like Legend of Dragoon, but there's a reason why most of these studios aren't around anymore, it's because their games weren't up to snuff.

This would be true if the market actually operated fully on principal of quality and sales being tied to the hip, but you and I both know that isn't true. COD is basically recycled content year over year, yet continues to sell millions annually. Many games that fail commercially don't do so because they're bad quality; it's usually because they don't have the marketing budgets to compete with the CODs, GTAs etc. in finding an audience.

Also while you may want to compare SIE's past content to current content objectively, that is not 100% possible. Even objectively, what you say about those games being unplayable now isn't completely true; you as a gamer have become de-acclimated to what those older titles provided, so you're just as responsible for them being "unplayable" in your eyes as the game is for being made during an earlier generation (thus not having modern QOL). If your take were objectively true, there wouldn't be a thriving retro community for many types of older games in the first place.

Even beyond that, you can't directly compare games then to games now when you ignore the subjective aspect of things. A lot of older games may not have the QOL polish of modern equivalents, or the visual fidelity, but they likely will have an artistic vision, style and quirkiness to them that for a subset of gamers, are infinitely more appealing than modern titles. I tend to think that gamers who are more nuanced in their tastes and see the medium more as an art form, tend to be the ones who can still appreciate & enjoy older games (yes even 5th-gen 3D titles) for what they are, and genuinely get into them, while still playing modern games as well.

Still better than anything offered by the competition.

MS? Lol

Nintendo? Kiddy toy stuck two generations behind.

And PC?

I agree, Nintendo needs to be grilled for their safe and lackluster efforts in creating new IPs.

Nintendo don't necessarily need to create new IP at the pace of SIE or Microsoft, because most of Nintendo's IP are evergreen and rather timeless. As in, they can exist for a long period of time and don't have a shelf life due to pursuing a story-heavy direction, or only appealing to older adult gamers (primarily).

When you've got an IP like TLOU, there's a natural limit to how much story you can due in that setting before it becomes a parody of itself. Even right now, I'm curious how exactly ND are going to take Part 3 story-wise in a way that feels organic and satisfying. Same can be said for several other major SIE and Microsoft IP, although I think both also have IP which are more "timeless" i.e Gran Turismo, Astro Bot, Flight Simulator, TES etc.

What Nintendo prefers to do, and it makes sense, is to expand mainstay IP into new sub-genre types. So you're still technically getting new IP, they're just wrapped up in an IP you're already familiar with like a Mario or Zelda. And honestly, if you have IP as universal, evergreen & timeless as those, it's the preferable approach to take. I do wish Nintendo showed love to a few of their more niche IP though, like F-Zero or a new (3D) Mother.
 

James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
Nintendo lived and died by first party because that's where their exclusive content came from. Sony still had exclusives but they came from third party like FF7 and MGS. So having FF7 on PC now is like if Zelda went to PC. So Sony needs to be doubly protective of exclusive games, because they're losing the ones they were handed "for free" on PS1.

If my Zelda of that generation had gone to PC, and I was playing catch up making my own exclusive IP. I wouldn't be spamming them on PC, teasing Asto Bot on PC before it even comes out. Craziness.

Nintendo games probably will go multiplatform in the future, I do not think their current business strategy will be sustainable over the long term
 
As someone who is a PS fan since the very first one, I really don’t know if I can hype myself up for the PS6 after the lackluster output of this gen.

I buy a PS for first party titles, or I would go and buy a gaming PC. So far, outside of Astrobot, their output of new experiences has been abysmal.
 

scydrex

Member
Some say this is the worst PlayStation gen but it hasn't ended. We still have 2025, 2026 and 2027. Maybe 2028? Who knows but at least 3 years left. So sony will not release more first party games? They released TLOU 1 and GT6 for ps3 in the year the PS4 launched so... i will post wait to when this gen ends.
 
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DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
All I can say is that's recency bias (as in you're remembering how that console ended, instead of how it started and evolved throughout it's lifecycle).

I owned a 360 and didn't even see any reason to own a PS3 until the very end of that generation. And at that point it was only to play the 1st party games - it made no sense to even attempt to play anything 3rd party on the console.

And miss me with the Ubisoft clone bollox. Is Astro Bot a Ubisoft clone? Returnal? Gran Turismo 7? Helldivers 2? Sackboy? Demons Souls?

Count up all of the PS5 1st party games thus far, what percentage of those are "Ubisoft clones"?

At least try to be sincere.



So you have an issue with this generation as a whole regardless of platform then? That's a different discussion entirely.



Not disputing that PS3 was better than the PS5 for first party output (once all was said and done it's actually between the PS3 and PS4 for which playstation console had the best overall first party output), but the experience overall was pants.

There's no way anybody could only own a PS3 that generation and be satisfied, the opposite is true for the PS5.

I honestly think you are the one miss remembering the PS3 generation. I loved my 60GB PS3 from the get go. Saying there is no way ANYBODY could only own a PS3 and be satisfied that gen is disingenuous in my opinion but my opinion is invalid as I owned every console, like I do every gen.

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As has been pointed out several times in this thread already, the first 4 years of the PS3 generation included the following high-profile exclusives:

  • Resistance: Fall of Man
  • Resistance 2
  • MotorStorm
  • MotorStorm: Pacific Rift
  • MotorStorm 3D Rift
  • Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
  • Ratchet & Clank Future: Quest for Booty
  • Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time
  • Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
  • Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
  • Ridge Racer 7
  • Gran Turismo 5
  • Wipeout HD
  • LittleBigPlanet
  • Heavenly Sword
  • Demon's Souls
  • Killzone 2
  • Infamous
  • Heavy Rain
  • God of War III

... and probably more I'm missing.


It looks to me like you're the one with recency bias and are remembering the PS3 generation incorrectly.

Thanks for posting, PS3 destroys the ps5, imo.


I just want to add though, saying the PS5 is Sonys worst generation is far from a complete negative. Every Sony console has been pretty damn amazing. It's just that this one is the worst, compared to those top tier consoles. I personally don't see it as a huge negative.
 
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Kronark

Member
This is really tricky to judge fairly... While I think the PS5 has definitely fucked up it's first party releases it's still a really good console / platform for third parties. PS3 was pretty much only useful for it's first party because of how dogshit most of the ports were.

I think if you were a kid that could only own 1 console for one of these gens and had to play all your games on it, the PS5 is a much better system than the PS3 just because it doesn't have a roster of fucked up ports like the PS3. There's also backwards compatibility naively on the PS5 to play the entire PS4 library kind of making it a kick ass console as a 1 off. Yes the PS3 did have backward compatibility with PS2 but only with early first generation units that had extra hardware. You had to buy in way before the price drop / slim mid gen and it also relied on you either having or finding old PS2 games.

As a supplemental console to someone who owns many / all platforms though it's hard to say I'd pick PS5 over my PC in a lot of cases for ports. I'm also not a fan of the modern AAA cinematic game, which kind of brings me to the fact that I nearly exclusively use my PS5 for Gran Turismo 7 / Astrobot... Not a resounding library.
 

jmiller180

Neo Member
Yeh when I look at the vast majority of games I play on my PC I can play pretty much all of them as well on my PS5 Pro to a good standard.

But that's exactly the issue, there's too much library crossover, they are pretty much identical. So if you want the absolute best then you'll end up playing pretty much everything outside of a handful of games on PC (which is what I do). But this is the grave Sony are digging for themselves.
I'm of a similar mindset. With a few exceptions, PS5 / PS5 Pro are good enough visually that I would be happy with them, but because there is so much crossover I wind up saying "I'll just get it for PC and get a better visual experience". I actually like the simplicity of a console, but there isn't enough of a hook to stay primarily on one nowadays. I haven't purchased a new game for my PS5 since Spider-Man 2... Had I waited for its coming PC release, the last exclusives at the time would have been Returnal and Rift Apart.... Which are now on PC. I almost wonder if Sony would have been better off keeping more games locked to PlayStation.
 
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James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
Fair enough. The thing is, I'm not calling people with different opinion trolls or PC master racists.

Neither am I

The master racists comment is just pointing out that if you think the ps5 gen is a disappointment that’s the same case for PC given that the libraries aren’t any different other than pc gets games later

So in that respect PC is worse, they still have lots of games that haven’t released on their platform yet
 

MayauMiao

Member
Nintendo games probably will go multiplatform in the future, I do not think their current business strategy will be sustainable over the long term

How long will that future be? 10 years, 50 years? Seeing that Switch 2 is going to be a success, I highly doubt it will go to other platform. They learn the hard lesson with the abomination Mario & Zelda titles on Phillip CD-i .
 

James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
How long will that future be? 10 years, 50 years? Seeing that Switch 2 is going to be a success, I highly doubt it will go to other platform. They learn the hard lesson with the abomination Mario & Zelda titles on Phillip CD-i .

Hard to predict, I’m not saying it will happen the next 10 years but I can see it happening in the next 20-30

Market will force their hand like it has everywhere else
 

TMLT

Member
At this point in time the revival was just getting started after 4 years of watching the competition be the better place to play games by a huge margin.

One of those years shouldnt even count because the 360 was running unopposed by the PS3, even with that accounted for I think you're still overstating things a little. By the end of 2008 the PS3 had two of the best games of the year as exclusives and PS Home had debuted, there was a very tangible sense that the tide was starting to turn. By the time you're talking about (Uncharted 2 release late 2009) it had Killzone 2, LBP, MGS4, Demons Souls, Uncharted 1, Resistance 1-2, Infamous etc. Thats more than a revival "just getting started". Like I said before the general feeling by then was the PS3 was winning out on exclusives while 360 tended to have the better versions of multiplats for the most part.
 
Reminder, your statement:



As such, the onus is on you to back it up.

But shirking away from quanifying something when questioned is the standard behavior when the original statement has no basis in reality.
I can give my opinion with as much or little detail as I choose. Maybe you require the game to have a hooded guy who dives off towers to be like a ubisoft game. Wasn't worth debating individual games so I moved on.
"most of GAF" seem to be emotional right now, are answering the question on the basis of 1st party only and also once thought the switch would be a flop. This is not the boon you think it is.

Meanwhile the console is doing far better than the PS3 did with the general populous. Funny how that works.
The emotional ones are the ones having trouble coping with the poll results.

Dunno why 8 year old Switch predictions are relevant considering many of the people who voted are off on another site talking about the hormone cocktails they're taking.

Also not shocking that the PS3 struggled due to being $200 more expensive than it's main competitor, arriving a year late, and facing Xbox when they were at their best. Still had a better library than the PS5 though.
 

GHG

Member
I honestly think you are the one miss remembering the PS3 generation. I loved my 60GB PS3 from the get go. Saying there is no way ANYBODY could only own a PS3 and be satisfied that gen is disingenuous in my opinion but my opinion is invalid as I owned every console, like I do every gen.

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Dude, don't make me dig up your posts from your previous account.

I know you're chatting shit.
 
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BlackTron

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Nintendo games probably will go multiplatform in the future, I do not think their current business strategy will be sustainable over the long term

Thus exposing our fundamental disagreement. In my opinion Sony will continue to shrink and Nintendo will get larger for the exact same reason. But don't get me wrong, it's not a console warrior thing. I would not suddenly flip and find the practice benign if Nintendo did it, I'd think they had gone crazy and pissed on Yamauchis grave.
 

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I'm seeing a lot of these guys suddenly saying the PS3 generation was the best. Talk about rewriting history.

It was probably only the best to for them because it was the only generation when Xbox had a fighting chance and didn't get absolutely destroyed.



And none of those games managed to significantly move the needle or were defined as the generations must have games at the time.

Were you even on this forum at the time? Most of those games got destroyed in terms of their reception. Particularly the likes of the first motorstorm (didn't live up to the tech demo) and heavenly sword. Demons Souls went largely unnoticed for years after it's initial release, there's a reason it was a cult classic.

It's like you forget that all of that stuff was competing against stuff like gears of war, halo, TES Oblivion, bioshock, mass effect, PGR, fable, peak Forza, Lost Planet etc. Then there was the added bonus of the fact that the vast majority of 3rd party games ran really poorly (along with the fact that even most of those 1st party games you listed ran poorly), which just further compounded matters.

So sorry sir, you seem to just be going back and looking at a list, but the context of what was actually happening at the time is important.

The PS3 almost wiped Sony from existence, I don't know who some of you are trying to kid.

While you are speaking some serious facts on PS vs Xbox that gen, that is not what I or many others are discussing. I was under the impression the thread is about Sony vs Sony gens, and I stand by that PS3 destroys the ps5 for originality, new IP and kick ass games.

Uncharted lead to Uncharted 2.
Motorstorm lead to Motorstorm pacific rift and apocalypse.
Warhawk online etc....


God damn the PS3 was insanely good.

To me, it seems like you decided to go 360 as your go to console and bought the PS3 at the end of its life to play some games and missed out on the awesome online and offline games (Motorstorm pacific rift was SO good online, same for warhawk)

Sony, made classics in the PS3 era...Classics that they were known for.

This gen they delivered Returnal as a game that follows the Playstation ethos IMO and that is it.
 
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