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[GinSama]

Please don't bring logic here, we should hate Sony only !!!

Lol

At least he making good points....not the victim card and blaming fanboys. Is ok to have a different opinion and don't blame fanboys, because fanboys are everywhere, don't take personally the poll mate.


Pretty much most of people are saying great stuff about hardware....about the games not so much...some people still play games not hardware.

 

[Boss Mog]

It's too early to tell. The output from Western studios has not been great on PS5 but Japanese studios have been putting out tons of quality games this gen though I will admit most of them don't really showcase the PS5's graphical prowess.

Once thing is certain though: All the people putting the PS3 near the top of their PS system hierarchy are mentally deficient.

 

[Calverz]

It’s not even a debate. The facts speak for themselves. PS5 is comfortably the worst generation. I play my PS3 more than my PS5.

 

[Emedan]

Uh what?

Plenty of games have fast loading times.

Lmao at all the "PS5 is the best cause quick loading times" meanwhile there's no games to take advantage of this. Goes for Xbox this gen too mind you.

Edit:
Since my point seem to have been missed by quite a few I'll add that there's no exclusive games worth playing. What have this feature that's being lauded actually helped in giving you more and better games? Just because games technically load faster now than before, does that make the generation better? PS2 had way slower load times but an infinitely bigger pool of good games.

I edited my OG post since you seem to have misunderstood my point.

 

[SJRB]

It's not over yet, of course, but it could probably use some more, you know.. videogames.

And I don't mean cross-gen remaster remake re-release bullshit, but actual new stuff.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

PS5 getting a GTA game automatically makes it better than the PS4 gen.

 

[64gigabyteram]

Guess they’d rather go back to not getting first party games like prior gens, huh?

We were fine without them before and we'd be fine without them now.

The most requested Playstation exclusive game for PC isn't even exclusive to the PS5 (and has already been translated to PC via ShadPS4 with increasing accuracy so )

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Bend Studio - 6 years wasted
Bluepoint Games - 4 years wasted
Firesprite - canceled GaaS games
Guerrilla Games - making Horizon 3 probably
Haven Studios - Fairgame$
Housemarque - ?
Insomniac Games - Wolverine, SM3
Malaysia Studio - support studio
Media Molecule - ?
Naughty Dog - Intergalactic, TLoU3? (in the future)
Nixxes Software - ports
Polyphony Digital - GT8?
San Diego Studio - MLB studio
San Mateo Studio - support
Santa Monica Studio - GOW next?
Sucker Punch Productions -GoY
Team Asobi - Astro Bot next?
Valkyrie Entertainment - support

Games that will come this year or 2026/2027
Games that will most likely be cross gen between PS5-PS6

So 5 games we know for sure will appear on PS5 in near future, one GaaS trash, one annual sport game, and three bigger games - GoY, Wolverine and Intergalactic.

What has Bend Studios done for PlayStation in their entire history? Can you tell me all of their standout PS2 and PS3 games? Are you confident that this is the only project they were working on? They've been on handheld duty for over a decade and few bought their handheld games (but I was on of them). They made Day's Gone which looked like a completely uninspired game. No one cared about Bend until they wanted to use their lack of production as a mechanism against Sony as a company.

Bluepoint wasn't a first party studio until PS5. They've already delivered Demon's Souls Remake, which is probably their best project ever. They'll probably deliver another remake by the end of the generation. Housemarque is similarly much better on PS5 than they were on PS4.

Firesprite again, another studio that had nothing to do with Sony until Sony bought them. Tell me more about how you love Firesprite and their history.

Haven Studios, see above. Literally a start up.

You could lament the cancellation of Factions, but those assets will almost certainly go towards a huge multiplayer mode in TLOU3... Naughty Dog's production on PS5 will match its production on PS4 if not surpass it if TLOU3 and Intergalactic release. Only 250 devs working on Intergalactic, so we know the whole studio isn't behind it.

Santa Monica is working on at least a couple of projects. They only produced two PS4 games and have produced 1 PS5 game, and will certainly produce another game or two by the end of the generation.

What exactly has been lost and what studio has been less productive significantly due to a canceled game that was a major element of PlayStation in past generations?

So part of the narrative against Sony is that they bought some new studios to expand on what they're currently doing that weren't part of them in the past, but that's some how a negative against them, when if they hadn't purchased those studios at all, there would be no narrative at all... The only real project that was canceled and wasn't net new was Factions and like I said, I would bet good money it ends up in TLOU3, it's not as if they would just hit the delete button on assets.

You ignore studios like Insomniac who has much better production now. They released 3 PS4 games. They'll do a minimum of that on PS5 with Miles Morales, Rift Apart, Spider-Man 2, and since we're counting Ratchet and Clank remake we can count Spider-Man Remastered. They'll add Wolverine and probably a cross gen title.

And of course games are going to be cross-gen with PS6, just as some games are going to be cross gen between PS6 and PS7. Cross gen would have saved multiple titles in the past like God of War 2, God of War 3, Gran Turismo 4, Gran Turismo 6, TLOU (needed an immediate remaster on PS4). People have to start looking at PlayStation as a platform like PC is a platform. Combined userbase across models is how games are going to be able to compete with PC without having to start from scratch every generation. It allows for strong launch/launch window titles.

As for what Sony has this year, we have no idea, but again at this point last year we didn't know about Astro Bot, Until Dawn remake, Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered, or Lego Horizon, which all released last year, and no one was counting on Helldivers 2 to be the hit it was.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Worth bearing in mind the drastic decline we’ve seen with western AAA this generation in terms of quality.

 

[ArtHands]

The other Playstation generation doesn't have CONCORD.

 

[Loope]

All the pc master racists voting for ps5

Guess they’d rather go back to not getting first party games like prior gens, huh?

This revisionist history is comical

I only play on pc, but analysing all the games, i struggle to find a worse generation for sony gamers than this one, albeit being a good generation for pc gamers when it comes to content.

Even so there is a lot of good content, so it's difficult to choose PS4 or PS5 as the "worse".

 

[BlueLyria]

You had to be there for early ps4 to know how bad it was, at least we still got back compat with ps5 so that alone puts it above ps4

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

This is hardly arguable. The Jim + Hermen Show has been quite something: remakes and remasters, overpriced games, GaaS, cancelations, studio shutdowns, lack of communication, moronic acquisitions, PSVR 2 abandonment...

And this extravaganza is far from finished. Coming next: Bend, Haven, and MM shutdown, Fairgames memes, and disappointing Wolverine sales. For dessert, the Bungie situation, which will explode in 2-3 years, max.

Sony will bet everything on Intergalactic becoming the new hit by the end of this gen.

 

[Schmendrick]

Best multiplat are still games. And didn't give games focus because everything is releasing on PS5 .. we don't have MS or Nintendo struggles here at Sony

If I want the best multiplats from a hardware standpoint I turn on my PC, no console can hold a candle to that thing.
I buy consoles for their first party titles.

And in the time Sony wasted on cancelled GAAS games this gen alone they`d have released 5 GOTY contenders last gen. Their output this gen has been miserable (comparatively ofc)

 

[coolmast3r]

25% (!!!) think PS3 was the worst PS gen? And with such a gap over the PS4? Huh?

Sometimes I REALLY do not understand people. This is one of those cases.

 

[Radical_3d]

copium BS. If I want the best multiplats from a hardware standpoint I turn on my PC. I buy consoles for their first party titles.
In the time Sony wasted on cancelled GAAS games this gen alone they`d have released 5 GOTY contenders last gen.

And it’s not like multiplats have been ace. All companies are in a creative crisis, it would seem.

 

[Sooner]

It's only bad if you don't count games if they also have a last-gen version.

If that's the case, every generation going forward will be terrible, as diminishing returns will result in cross-platform becoming more common and will eventually be present entire generations.

 

[seb85]

I bet my ass if it wasn't for their exclusive 2nd and 3rd party deals , PS5 would have sold like shit even below Xbox

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

I don't know how you guys even have the memory for this shit. I've had them all and couldn't tell you. They all had some major hits for me and a lot of lulls as far as I recall.

 

[adamsapple]

(Positives)
* Most Powerful base console (Best multiplat)
* Most powerful midgen.
*Rubust and balanced system with minimal loading.
*Best online and sharing functionality.
*Best Controller features and ergonomics.
*Killed Xbox

No wonder the poll results are so lop-sided, if this is the best the gen has to offer in your opinion.

The top 3 are basically the same thing, like how someone re-writes the same sentence in different ways when they want to pad out a middle-school assignment.

 

[Pelao]

Pretty much, yeah.
Longer development cycles combined with the GaaS push really did a number on this gen.

 

[Three]

What can be said about PC, exactly?

"Worse generation of games" and years later, obviously.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It's only bad if you don't count games if they also have a last-gen version.

If that's the case, every generation going forward will be terrible, as diminishing returns will result in cross-platform becoming more common and will eventually be present entire generations.

None of these games are games you'd want to play on a previous-generation system. That's how we saw the trouble with Cyberpunk 2077.

Is it a last gen game or a current gen game?

People look at these games as if they're "ps4 games" but most of them run like shit on PS4.

Who is out there wanting to play God of War Ragnarok at 1080p30? The same was true of TLOUP2.

Playable sure, but certainly not ideal and that is Sony delivering at their best unlike Cyberpunk which was unplayable.

I wouldn't want to play Hogwarts Legacy or Elden Ring on PS4 either.

 

[duck_sauce]

I use my ps5 a lot and I think gaming as a hobby is very fun right now and there are more games that I want to play but cannot due to time limits.

Not sure why there is a need to rank consoles. I’m having fun as a gamer since the PSone

 

[Kvally]

But I think things are going to turn around in the next 3 years

 

[Spiral1407]

RemasterStation 5

 

[Elog]

I am not sure I find the thread title fair since I do not connect the current state of affairs to Playstation. At least for me, this generation has been really weak across platforms (PC, PS and XBOX). That does not mean that there has been no good games at all. They have just been far fewer than I would have expected and the amount of duds have been surprisingly high.

The relative strength between PC, PS and XBOX is roughly the same as last gen for me but the overall quality is just much lower (and as a consequence, for example XBOX finds themselves in real trouble - they did not have any margin to be worse than last gen in the first place).

 

[Madflavor]

Yes, and again I would chalk this up to the amount of time it takes to develop games nowadays.

 

[Radical_3d]

It's only bad if you don't count games if they also have a last-gen version.

Ok. What should we add?
Two ok remakes and one meh Resident Evil from Capcom. Nothing burger from Activlizzard. Nada from 2K. Hi-Fi Rush without physical copy from XBox. GT SEVEN. Open world Demon’s Souls. A fan favourite: two Horizon games. The remake that everybody didn’t know they didn’t want from Square.

Some cool indie games, yes. But that’s not a healthy industry that once gambled AAA budget on a then not safe project like Bioshock. Or Mirror’s Edge. Or Dead Space. Or Assasin’s Creed (even if it was crap it was still a gamble with a lot of money). Or Lost Planet…

Edit: Oh wow, I forgot Cyberpunk! lmao, what a joke. Yeah. Worst gen ever. Maybe salvageable with some Switch titles but that’s more a PS4 gen thing.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

I'm afraid so. But what caused it?

I'm stumped. Stumped!

 

[TMLT]

Like i said, toward the end on the generation after they realised how badly they fumbled the bag. They had no choice but to build out their 1st party studios to get games going for the console, because they realised 3rd party developers didn't want to fuck around with the difficult development environment. It was a shit show, particularly for the first 3-4 years.

I agree that the early PS3 era wasnt great but by the time it was at the stage of its life that the PS5 is currently at it had Uncharted 1-2, God Of War 3, LBP, MGS4, Demons Souls, Killzone 2, Resistance 1-2, Infamous, 3D Dot Game Heroes, MAG, Heavy Rain, Yakuza 3 etc. PS Home was fun too.

 

[GHG]

PS3 had a much bigger variety of games back then. It had something for everyone. PS5 has too many ubisoft clones and not enough else. They both had really slow starts when it comes to software output.

PS3 did run like ass but I at least felt a reason to turn it on more than a few times per year.

All I can say is that's recency bias (as in you're remembering how that console ended, instead of how it started and evolved throughout it's lifecycle).

I owned a 360 and didn't even see any reason to own a PS3 until the very end of that generation. And at that point it was only to play the 1st party games - it made no sense to even attempt to play anything 3rd party on the console.

And miss me with the Ubisoft clone bollox. Is Astro Bot a Ubisoft clone? Returnal? Gran Turismo 7? Helldivers 2? Sackboy? Demons Souls?

Count up all of the PS5 1st party games thus far, what percentage of those are "Ubisoft clones"?

At least try to be sincere.

So. One game that isn’t from this generation (and it’s a derivative Demon’s Souls 11, by the way). One good game. One GaaS (love HD2, but it’s not 2008 Dead Space).

Only one year of third parties from PS360 blows this “the very best of 4 years” into the stratosphere.

So you have an issue with this generation as a whole regardless of platform then? That's a different discussion entirely.

While I some what agree with you, I had my PS3 since launch day and I loved it. Yes it had a slow start but resistance was a good blast and motorstorm was an incredible tech demo that you couldnt get on any other platform.

Then in 2007 I loved Ratchet and Clank tools of destruction, enjoyed Uncharted a lot, Little big Planet.

yeah, you know what. PS3 pissed on PS5 for first party output and the third party exclusives were better.

Not disputing that PS3 was better than the PS5 for first party output (once all was said and done it's actually between the PS3 and PS4 for which playstation console had the best overall first party output), but the experience overall was pants.

There's no way anybody could only own a PS3 that generation and be satisfied, the opposite is true for the PS5.

 

[Radical_3d]

I'm afraid so. But what caused it?

I'm stumped. Stumped!

The best generation ever: the HD generation. The efforts to innovate didn’t pay off. The Riccitello era was a financial disaster:

That’s the generation where we saw the demise of AA games. The death of medium tier publishers like THQ, Aklaim and others. Many devs flocked to mobile games as well, because the new revenue there was attractive. There where experiments to increase the value like the battle pass but the cost kept going up and the investments were more risky (~10$ increase in price with battle pass VS minimum 5x increase in development costs).

The result of all that was the mediocre PS4 generation. Where all the diversity of the golden age was burned to the ground in favour of dreadful and bland versions of everything. Playing safe with themes like cinematic, open world and GaaS (Destiny is from 2014, boys and girls). And it worked. Sales are there to show for it. Just don’t expect a Dead Space or a WipEout on your game system.

The PS5 era is just the apex of that. Even more development costs. Formulas that are proven safer. No risk in anything that has high end graphics. Indie dependence for variety. Wasteland of AA games. Welcome to the future: no loading times but no flying cars either.

 

[SweetTooth]

No wonder the poll results are so lop-sided, if this is the best the gen has to offer in your opinion.

The top 3 are basically the same thing, like how someone re-writes the same sentence in different ways when they want to pad out a middle-school assignment.

I wanted to emphasized it because they hurt, and its the best gen for simply killing Xbox lol.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

No wonder the poll results are so lop-sided, if this is the best the gen has to offer in your opinion.

The top 3 are basically the same thing, like how someone re-writes the same sentence in different ways when they want to pad out a middle-school assignment.

How would you rank the Xbox generations?

 

[ReBurn]

I think the real takeaway here is that, even at their worst, PlayStation is pretty damn good.

Exactly.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

EA in the PS360 generation was right up there with the MegaDrive days, it was quite a comeback for them.

Then, like many Western publishers last gen, went to shit again.

 

[analog_future]

\\\

All I can say is that's recency bias (as in you're remembering how that console ended, instead of how it started and evolved throughout it's lifecycle).

I owned a 360 and didn't even see any reason to own a PS3 until the very end of that generation. And at that point it was only to play the 1st party games - it made no sense to even attempt to play anything 3rd party on the console.

And miss me with the Ubisoft clone bollox. Is Astro Bot a Ubisoft clone? Returnal? Gran Turismo 7? Helldivers 2? Sackboy? Demons Souls?

Count up all of the PS5 1st party games thus far, what percentage of those are "Ubisoft clones"?

At least try to be sincere.

As has been pointed out several times in this thread already, the first 4 years of the PS3 generation included the following high-profile exclusives:

• Resistance: Fall of Man
• Resistance 2
• MotorStorm
• MotorStorm: Pacific Rift
• MotorStorm 3D Rift
• Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
• Ratchet & Clank Future: Quest for Booty
• Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time
• Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
• Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
• Ridge Racer 7
• Gran Turismo 5
• Wipeout HD
• LittleBigPlanet
• Heavenly Sword
• Demon's Souls
• Killzone 2
• Infamous
• Heavy Rain
• God of War III

... and probably more I'm missing.


It looks to me like you're the one with recency bias and are remembering the PS3 generation incorrectly.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

I think the real takeaway here is that, even at their worst, PlayStation is pretty damn good.

For all their faults this gen, I’d say Astro Bot is better than anything Sony made during the PS4 days.

It’s right up there with the best of Nintendo, something only Sega came close to during the MegaDrive Sonic days.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

We were fine without them before and we'd be fine without them now.

The most requested Playstation exclusive game for PC isn't even exclusive to the PS5 (and has already been translated to PC via ShadPS4 with increasing accuracy so )

Doesn’t sound like you’re fine. Sounds like you hate this gen across the board, given ps5 and pc share the same libraries

 

[SpokkX]

Yes Ps5 games output has almost totally stalled and PC has accelerated so much so the gen feels over before it really began.

Ps5 is, almost, as pointless as Series S/X.. not quite though since there are still some real exclusives at least

 

[GHG]

I wanted to emphasized it because they hurt, and its the best gen for simply killing Xbox lol.

I'm seeing a lot of these guys suddenly saying the PS3 generation was the best. Talk about rewriting history.

It was probably only the best to for them because it was the only generation when Xbox had a fighting chance and didn't get absolutely destroyed.

\\\


As has been pointed out several times in this thread already, the first 4 years of the PS3 generation included the following high-profile exclusives:

• Resistance: Fall of Man
• Resistance 2
• MotorStorm
• MotorStorm: Pacific Rift
• MotorStorm 3D Rift
• Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
• Ratchet & Clank Future: Quest for Booty
• Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time
• Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
• Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
• Ridge Racer 7
• Gran Turismo 5
• Wipeout HD
• LittleBigPlanet
• Heavenly Sword
• Demon's Souls
• Killzone 2
• Infamous
• Heavy Rain
• God of War III

... and probably more I'm missing.


It looks to me like you're the one with recency bias and are remembering the PS3 generation incorrectly.

And none of those games managed to significantly move the needle or were defined as the generations must have games at the time.

Were you even on this forum at the time? Most of those games got destroyed in terms of their reception. Particularly the likes of the first motorstorm (didn't live up to the tech demo) and heavenly sword. Demons Souls went largely unnoticed for years after it's initial release, there's a reason it was a cult classic.

It's like you forget that all of that stuff was competing against stuff like gears of war, halo, TES Oblivion, bioshock, mass effect, PGR, fable, peak Forza, Lost Planet etc. Then there was the added bonus of the fact that the vast majority of 3rd party games ran really poorly (along with the fact that even most of those 1st party games you listed ran poorly), which just further compounded matters.

So sorry sir, you seem to just be going back and looking at a list, but the context of what was actually happening at the time is important.

The PS3 almost wiped Sony from existence, I don't know who some of you are trying to kid.

 

[adamsapple]

I wanted to emphasized it because they hurt, and its the best gen for simply killing Xbox lol.

Oh they definitely hurt, just look at the poll. Probably didn't hurt in the way you thought though.

I'm seeing a lot of these guys suddenly saying the PS3 generation was the best. Talk about rewriting history.

It was probably only the best to for them because it was the only generation when Xbox had a fighting chance and didn't get absolutely destroyed.

The PS3 gen was the best because that's the one where Xbox had a fighting chance?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

\\\


As has been pointed out several times in this thread already, the first 4 years of the PS3 generation included the following high-profile exclusives:

• Resistance: Fall of Man
• Resistance 2
• MotorStorm
• MotorStorm: Pacific Rift
• MotorStorm 3D Rift
• Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
• Ratchet & Clank Future: Quest for Booty
• Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time
• Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
• Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
• Ridge Racer 7
• Gran Turismo 5
• Wipeout HD
• LittleBigPlanet
• Heavenly Sword
• Demon's Souls
• Killzone 2
• Infamous
• Heavy Rain
• God of War III

... and probably more I'm missing.


It looks to me like you're the one with recency bias and are remembering the PS3 generation incorrectly.

A few other notable games, LBP2 (technically 4 years and 2 months), Modnation Racers, MAG, Dead Nation.

There's also a bunch of Sony Move games in the link below throughout the entire gen. But for their VR2, they release almost no first party games. Maybe a couple tops and one of them included is always GT7 VR mode they added later.

List of Sony Interactive Entertainment video games - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[cyberheater]

I’ve owned all of them. Still have PS3/4/5. PS3 is the worse in terms of games. PS4 is worse in terms of engineering. Mine sounds like a jet engine now.

 

[nial]

A few other notable games, LBP2 (technically 4 years and 2 months), Modnation Racers, MAG, Dead Nation.

List of Sony Interactive Entertainment video games - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Half of GAF will try to tell you that #3, 6, 8, 9 and 10 do not count.

 

[GrayChild]

The first couple of years of the PS3 were much worse in comparison to PS5, yes. But Sony managed to turn things around much quicker and after 2008 the console quickly landed on its feet again. MGS 4, Uncharted 2 and Demon's Souls alone were better than anything Sony's made this generation.

We're now almost 5 years and one mid-gen refresh in, and things are looking more dire than ever.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Half of GAF will try to tell you that #3, 6, 8, 9 and 10 do not count.

The point people are trying to make isnt just pure numbers. But also unique new IPs. Compare PS3 to PS5 for new IPs. And not just the big budget games. Also, include small scale games and VR2 vs Move.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Half of GAF will try to tell you that #3, 6, 8, 9 and 10 do not count.

2, 4 and 5 sure don't.

 

[analog_future]

nm