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[adamsapple]

“Remember, when you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It is only painful for others.​

The same applies when you are stupid.”​

― Ricky Gervais

 

[Topher]

So we judging which generation was the greatest by the dollar amount spent?

Dammit......I forgot to adjust my opinion on games for inflation.

 

[Kokoro2020]

PS3 was worse. It had some gems but the hardware was a steaming pile of shit.

My first PS3 broke down after about a month. It glitched while I was playing a game, and I unplug it, and after I plugged it back in, it wasn't the same. Granted, I could still play discs on it, but I couldn't access the menu or play any PSN games. I could just play discs, and that was it. I ended up getting another one for free, thanks to warranty.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

This thread man...out of ALL the problematic shit/stuff discussed on a daily basis in here actually worth e-fighting for/bicker with each other and many people decided that this is one of them ? LMFAO

James Sawyer doing the usual defence force (no dude, not every game is actually better on the Pro and I'm one of the idiots that actually bought one, no need to defend a multi billion corporation so feveriously), AddamsApple's constant back and forth with him, the usual green suspects spamming laughing emojis and ballooning the poll 'cause apparently the PS5 is worse than Hitler...this thread has it all and just goes to show that people don't actually care to discuss stuff with others and instead everything is a Vs for them, disagreeing just for the sake sticking it to the other guy...

Imagine now if the topic was "which console between the Xbox and the PlayStation is the one that cemented itself as the worst" - fun times !

UFC should hold a PPV with some of you fine gents, I'd pay a pretty Eurdolllar for it

PS: bundylove and Danny Dudekisser are some of the few in here that actually have some sense

 

[hinch7]

There is virtually no reason to have a PS5 despite being over halfway into its lifecycle.
This gen sucks.

At this moment its just my early access machine with timed exclusives. I've owned nearly every PS (apart from PSVita) and not falling for this again. Sony have to prove themselves over the next few years.

Honestly I didn't think it could get any worse than PS4. Hopefully with the cancellations they get back on track.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

James Sawyer doing the usual defence force (no dude, not every game is actually better on the Pro and I'm one of the idiots that actually bought one, stop defending a multi billion corporation so feveriously)

Which games are worse on pro? How is it the worst hardware ever? It’s quite literally the best console that’s ever been made

 

[Perrott]

PS3, a good console overall, but it peaked at the first year (2007, which might be one of Sony's best years in spite of actual trash like Lair or Heavenly Sword), with only 2009 coming close.
2010-2013 is one of the weakest eras for WWS.

I'd argue that 2011 and 2013 were some of the stronger years in terms of WWS' PS3 output:

• 2011: LittleBigPlanet 2 – Killzone 3 – MotorStorm: Apocalypse – SOCOM 4 U.S. Navy SEALs – inFAMOUS 2 – Resistance 3 – God of War: Origins Collection – The Ico & Shadow of the Colossus Collection – Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One – Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
  On top of MLB The Show, several PlayStation Move titles and the Sony Online Entertainment-published PAYDAY: The Heist.
• 2013: Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time – God of War: Ascension – The Last Of Us – Puppeteer – Rain – Beyond: Two Souls – Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus – Gran Turismo 6
  On top of MLB The Show, several Wonderbook titles and the Sony Computer Entertainment-adjacent Dust 514; plus the extra merit of having this level of output in the launch year of the PS4.

 

[adamsapple]

Which games are worse on pro? How is it the worst hardware ever? It’s quite literally the best console that’s ever been made

The best console that's ever been made?

I hope you're being well compensated, Jimmy.

 

[Bojji]

Not sure what you're laughing at Bojji

Look below




Meanwhile him 3-4 years after PS3 release, read the bolded:


But yes "amazing library and wealth of new IP" that he completely ignored at the time.

I had PS3 between 2009 and 2014 and Xbox 360 between 2010 and 2014.

I barely used 360 because there were tons of PS3 exclusives that occupied my time and I already had PC for multiplatforms.

Anyway, I already told the same thing in this post:

When it comes to PS3 vs. PS5:

- PS3 was shit console to have in general vs. 360, most games performed and looked worse. BUT it had arguably the best Sony FP support ever (PS2 had better games but most of them TP).
- PS5 is great console to have, most games run and look good on it. BUT it has dreadful FP support, Sony released few big games initially and then focused on GaaS and woke bullshit...

They are making changes right now but people at charge ar the same morons that created this mess.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

The best console that's ever been made?

I hope you're being well compensated, Jimmy.

It is from a hardware standpoint, that’s simply a fact

 

[Generic]

I'd argue that 2011 and 2013 were some of the stronger years in terms of WWS' PS3 output:

• 2011: LittleBigPlanet 2 – Killzone 3 – MotorStorm: Apocalypse – SOCOM 4 U.S. Navy SEALs – inFAMOUS 2 – Resistance 3 – God of War: Origins Collection – The Ico & Shadow of the Colossus Collection – Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One – Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
  On top of MLB The Show, several PlayStation Move titles and the Sony Online Entertainment-published PAYDAY: The Heist.
• 2013: Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time – God of War: Ascension – The Last Of Us – Puppeteer – Rain – Beyond: Two Souls – Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus – Gran Turismo 6
  On top of MLB The Show, several Wonderbook titles and the Sony Computer Entertainment-adjacent Dust 514; plus the extra merit of having this level of output in the launch year of the PS4.

The PS3 had 4 Ratchet games (+multiple spin-offs) but the PS4 and PS5 only had one each

 

[Valonquar]

Sitting down to game on PS3 only to be met with a forced system update that ends up taking 3+ hours was the pinnacle of ass.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Worst is kinda the wrong word. I’d say not best. It’s not like this generation has been bad at all. We got loads of awesome games and lots of old games got patches that gave them whole new lives. We never had that before and those are big deals imo.

Has there been as many new games? No, but that’s true of everything and for loads of reasons.

The biggest piss off for me was how they managed ps+ this generation.

We also have around 3-4 years more so things will certainly improve more still

If I had to pick one though, I’d say the “least best” (which was still great) was the ps4.

 

[nial]

I'd argue that 2011 and 2013 were some of the stronger years in terms of WWS' PS3 output:

• 2011: LittleBigPlanet 2 – Killzone 3 – MotorStorm: Apocalypse – SOCOM 4 U.S. Navy SEALs – inFAMOUS 2 – Resistance 3 – God of War: Origins Collection – The Ico & Shadow of the Colossus Collection – Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One – Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
  On top of MLB The Show, several PlayStation Move titles and the Sony Online Entertainment-published PAYDAY: The Heist.
• 2013: Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time – God of War: Ascension – The Last Of Us – Puppeteer – Rain – Beyond: Two Souls – Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus – Gran Turismo 6
  On top of MLB The Show, several Wonderbook titles and the Sony Computer Entertainment-adjacent Dust 514; plus the extra merit of having this level of output in the launch year of the PS4.

2011 and 2013 don't exactly suffer in terms of quantity, but rather of quality; Killzone 3, Motorstorm: Apocalypse, Uncharted 3, Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time (I don't like the series as a whole, but this one in particular is even worse than 3), God of War Ascension and Gran Turismo 6 were all disappointing and VERY inferior sequels, with a lot of them also straight up bombing.
There are bright spots, sure; LittleBigPlanet 2, Infamous 2, Resistance 3, The Last of Us, Rain and Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus, but that's kinda it? The problem is that those years are mostly filled with actual bad to garbage games among the likes of Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One, Beyond: Two Souls, and virtually every PS Move title (as bad as the EyeToy stuff on PS2).
I may be biased for 2007, but a year with Folklore, Everybody's Golf 5, Boku no Natusyasumi 3, Warhawk, Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (which wasn't that good, but it gets points for launching such an important IP)? It's just... *chef's kiss*

 

[tr1p1ex]

older gens were more exciting. More games. MOre variation.

This gen is more about playing games you already play at better specs??

 

[nial]

Also, I really like Puppeteer, but it is kinda one of the worst Japan Studio games besides its lovely aesthetic. I don't exactly get why people pretended that it was better than Knack around the same time.
Japan Studio's (internal) output on PS3 was actually pretty weak, Astro Bot alone beats The Eye of Judgment, Siren: New Translation, The Last Guy, Kung Fu Rider, PlayStation Move Ape Escape and Puppeteer.

 

[Mattyp]

think PS2 is the worst generation.

Out.

My first PS3 broke down after about a month. It glitched while I was playing a game, and I unplug it, and after I plugged it back in, it wasn't the same. Granted, I could still play discs on it, but I couldn't access the menu or play any PSN games. I could just play discs, and that was it. I ended up getting another one for free, thanks to warranty.

I still have a 80gb PS3 that YLOD after 12 months. Over $1,000 dollars at the time and they wouldn’t warrant it, jumped to 360 from that point on. I still got a new PS3 eventually but xbox became my multiplat console of choice.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Good try, I would have believed you if you weren't constantly shitting on said games at the time.

And I stand by all of that, except Infamous 1. GoW is about epic boss fights, and if you remove the spectacle in Uncharted, it’s just a cover shooter. I have said on here infamous had a great story and characters and got the plat in it. The sequel sucked

Also, no, you wouldn’t have believed me either way, you gotta play your warrior role. Nice effort though.

 

[Barakov]

I think PS2 is the worst generation. PS5 might be worse by the end but we still got like 4 years to go.

PS3 had Uncharted and Last of Us and the good Killzones and Motor Storm 1+2 and Dragon's Crown and 3rd party games were better that generation. PS2 is the most overrated Playstation by far.

Worst post in the thread by far. Some of the games you mentioned were pretty good but they have nothing on the PS2 era. PS2 had banger after banger for years.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Ricky is awesome.

 

[Humdinger]

My PS5 is almost entirely a third-party machine. You know it's bad when you're looking forward to more Xbox "exclusives" than to Playstation ones.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

PS3, a good console overall, but it peaked at the first year (2007, which might be one of Sony's best years in spite of actual trash like Lair or Heavenly Sword), with only 2009 coming close.
2010-2013 is one of the weakest eras for WWS.

WTF? Heavenly Sword was awesome…

 

[Player Respawn]

2 3 1… 5 4

I like the new stuff but ps4 gen was a letdown and it’s kinda continuing in the same way imo. only really cared about naughty dog that gen, while I loved most of first party during previous gen’s.

 

[awwr999999]

Nintendo will have all the mindshare later this year if GTA6 doesn’t drop.

Spoiler: GTA6 isn't shipping in 2025. The reality of this probably won't hit people until late Q2/Q3 with an announcement.
DS2's likely getting a pushback as well so PS5 should have plenty of 2025 mindshare but in the form of massive letdowns.

 

[DKPOWPOW]

It's debatable between PS3 and PS5. I find the PS5 has a few more games I'm curious about though. It's also got at least 2-3 more years of life before PS6 rears it's head.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Spoiler: GTA6 isn't shipping in 2025. The reality of this probably won't hit people until late Q2/Q3 with an announcement.
DS2's likely getting a pushback as well so PS5 should have plenty of 2025 mindshare but in the form of massive letdowns.

We'll likely know by April. When we get Sony's forecast for the year, they'll have to account for supply needed for GTA6 and they'll have communicated that with T2, ensuring that supply is there and possible bundles.

If Sony isn't expecting GTA6 this year, their forecast will be something like 10-12 million units down from 18 million.

I think your mindset for GTA6 though is that we would have seen more from the game if it were coming out this year, but I think that's a misnomer. GTA6 doesn't need a marketing campaign at all. The less money they spend on marketing the better their bottomline will be.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Lovin' the hardware, and it seems built much better than PS4 was. First party has been awful this gen imo.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Spoiler: GTA6 isn't shipping in 2025. The reality of this probably won't hit people until late Q2/Q3 with an announcement.

 

[Fake]

Fuck no. SSD, 60FPS a norm now, these two things alone make it one of the best. Weird nostalgic drunks.

PC.

 

[PurePlatinum]

It depends on your definition. In terms of 1st and 2nd party output, yes the PS5 is the worst by a mile. Even the games that HAVE come out, have in my opinion been all weaker than their predecessor. Spider-Man 2, HFW, and GoW Rag are all a step down.

The saving grace IMO has been Returnal, which is the best 1st party PS game since GoW2018.

PS3/360 is in my opinion the weakest overall generation I've lived through.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

Xbox

 

[StreetsofBeige]

PS3, a good console overall, but it peaked at the first year (2007, which might be one of Sony's best years in spite of actual trash like Lair or Heavenly Sword), with only 2009 coming close.
2010-2013 is one of the weakest eras for WWS.

2007 peaked for PS3?

So MG4, LOU, and all the GOW, Resistance, KZ, GT, Infamous, and UC games which came out in 2008 and after are ho-hum?

 

[Perrott]

2011 and 2013 don't exactly suffer in terms of quantity, but rather of quality; Killzone 3, Motorstorm: Apocalypse, Uncharted 3, Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time (I don't like the series as a whole, but this one in particular is even worse than 3), God of War Ascension and Gran Turismo 6 were all disappointing and VERY inferior sequels, with a lot of them also straight up bombing.
There are bright spots, sure; LittleBigPlanet 2, Infamous 2, Resistance 3, The Last of Us, Rain and Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus, but that's kinda it? The problem is that those years are mostly filled with actual bad to garbage games among the likes of Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One, Beyond: Two Souls, and virtually every PS Move title (as bad as the EyeToy stuff on PS2).
I may be biased for 2007, but a year with Folklore, Everybody's Golf 5, Boku no Natusyasumi 3, Warhawk, Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (which wasn't that good, but it gets points for launching such an important IP)? It's just... *chef's kiss*

Another thing I'll give you in regards to 2007 is that creativity was happening in all directions at the same time: from SingStar to The Eye of Judgment, as well as with their first batch of PSN titles (the SCE-adjacent Pixeljunk series, Super Stardust HD, LocoRoco Cocoreccho!, flOw, Calling All Cars, Everyday Shooter, Pain and the iconic Super Rub 'a' Dub).

Not to mention the first ever arrival of GT5, in Prologue form, onto Japanese PS3s that December.

P.S. Lair and Heavenly Sword – as well as the 2008, Ubisoft-published Haze – were some really gourmet shit
2007 wins. Phil Harrison wins.

 

[awwr999999]

Well then even if it’s the worst generation , like sex or pizza it’s still ok

We can still spend our valuable time (in Sony's words this is what they're after, our free time) playing on better PS consoles.

Might be age talking but it's never been quite the same since PS2.

PS2 and PS1 are like playing a beautiful cartoon or a painting and everything post-PS2 has lost that "PlayStation" magic.
That and PS sold out objective experience (lowest input latency, no battery to charge) for gimmickry(wireless) when they took away wired controllers. That was a fundamental error that's never been corrected.
PS3 marks the end of "PlayStation" and the beginning of generic gaming on PlayStation branded PCs.

 

[EruditeHobo]

2007 peaked for PS3?

One of the worst opinions in this whole thread...

 

[SHA]

Ps1 100+ games I liked
PS2 200+ games I liked
Ps3 80+ games I liked
Ps4 200+ games I liked

The PS5 I could count 5 serious exclusives and 10 + 3rd party games, it's not over yet but we surely live in an age where missing anything worthy is not an option.

 

[Makki]

69% Niiiiiice

 

[awwr999999]

I think your mindset for GTA6 though is that we would have seen more from the game if it were coming out this year, but I think that's a misnomer. GTA6 doesn't need a marketing campaign at all. The less money they spend on marketing the better their bottomline will be.

GTA6 and DS2 both having vague 'next year' 12month shipping windows is a bad sign for 2025.

 

[{insert code here}]

Yes, and it's not even close imo. The output from Sony first party is so minimal they might as well not even exist. For comparison, by the PS3's fifth year you already had:
Uncharted Trilogy, Gran Turismo 5, God of War 3, Warhawk, R&C ToD, Crack in Time, Infamous 1, 2, Motorstorm Trilogy, Killzone 2, 3, LBP 1, 2, Wipeout HD, MAG, Resistance Trilogy... and more that i can't remember right now.

It's crazy that they went from this kinda output to what they have now which is completely barren outside of the moneyhats for Stellar Blade, FF7 Rebirth, and Rise of the Ronin.

 

[Perrott]

Ps1 100+ games I liked
PS2 200+ games I liked
Ps3 80+ games I liked
Ps4 200+ games I liked

The PS5 I could count 5 serious exclusives and 10 + 3rd party games, it's not over yet but we surely live in an age where missing anything worthy is not an option.

Bad comparison.

Silent Hill (1999), Silent Hill 2 (2001), Silent Hill 3 (2003) and Silent Hill 4: The Room (2004) were released in the span of five years, with that half-a-decade also encompassing the entire development cycles of the three Team Silent-developed sequels. That was all across the PS1 and PS2.

On the other hand, it took Bloober Team five whole years to develop the Silent Hill 2 remake for the PS5.

So you can't really compare these things from a quantity standpoint.

 

[nial]

2007 peaked for PS3?

So MG4, LOU, and all the GOW, Resistance, KZ, GT, Infamous, and UC games which came out in 2008 and after are ho-hum?

MGS4 is no SCE and I did say that 2009 (Uncharted 2, Infamous, R&C A Crack In Time, Killzone 2, Demon's Souls, Toro Let's Party + other stuff) was close enough.
Resistance 2, Killzone 3, Uncharted 3, GOW Ascension and Gran Turismo 5-6 all (kinda) suck; I don't like GOW3 but I would still call it good, while Infamous 2, Resistance 3 and The Last of Us are great games in otherwise mostly weak years.

One of the worst opinions in this whole thread...

C'mon, it's pretty sane compared to all the shit I've read here...

2007 wins. Phil Harrison wins.

Not to mention the PSP output that included stuff like Wipeout Pulse, Syphon Filter: Logan's Shadow (Bend Studio was pretty valuable as a handheld developer), Wild Arms XF, Patapon, Yuunama, Everybody's Golf Portable 2 and the secretly great Japan only Ape Escape spin-off (SaruSaru Big Mission).
I'm 100% a 2007 SCE WWS and Phil Harrison believer.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

PS1 & 2 were cool. Sony lost me after that. PS5 just continues my zero interest in what Sony has to offer. Ok I lie, Astrobot looks cool AF, as did the first big Spiderman.

 

[SHA]

Bad comparison.

Silent Hill (1999), Silent Hill 2 (2001), Silent Hill 3 (2003) and Silent Hill 4: The Room (2004) were released in the span of five years, with that half-a-decade also encompassing the entire development cycles of the three Team Silent-developed sequels. That was all across the PS1 and PS2.

On the other hand, it took Bloober Team five whole years to develop the Silent Hill 2 remake for the PS5.

So you can't really compare these things from a quantity standpoint.

I like the fact that Neo Gaffers share the same favorite games but at the same time I think it's weird, we should have different favorite lists.

 

[nial]

Yes, and it's not even close imo. The output from Sony first party is so minimal they might as well not even exist. For comparison, by the PS3's fifth year you already had:
Uncharted Trilogy, Gran Turismo 5, God of War 3, Warhawk, R&C ToD, Crack in Time, Infamous 1, 2, Motorstorm Trilogy, Killzone 2, 3, LBP 1, 2, Wipeout HD, MAG, Resistance Trilogy... and more that i can't remember right now.

It's crazy that they went from this kinda output to what they have now which is completely barren outside of the moneyhats for Stellar Blade, FF7 Rebirth, and Rise of the Ronin.

There's nothing different between Tools of Destruction, A Crack In Time, MotorStorm 1, LittleBigPlanet 1, Infamous 1-2, Resistance 1-3 and Rise of the Ronin/Stellar Blade.
All games developed by studios not owned by Sony.

 

[fallingdove]

This is their most successful generation you're just getting old & bitter .

Yes, and it's not even close imo. The output from Sony first party is so minimal they might as well not even exist. For comparison, by the PS3's fifth year you already had:
Uncharted Trilogy, Gran Turismo 5, God of War 3, Warhawk, R&C ToD, Crack in Time, Infamous 1, 2, Motorstorm Trilogy, Killzone 2, 3, LBP 1, 2, Wipeout HD, MAG, Resistance Trilogy... and more that i can't remember right now.

It's crazy that they went from this kinda output to what they have now which is completely barren outside of the moneyhats for Stellar Blade, FF7 Rebirth, and Rise of the Ronin.

Sony first party has been a bit slim on PS5 but people are completely ignoring God of War Ragnarok, Horizon Forbidden West, Returnal, Helldivers 2, AstroBot, Spiderman 2, Demons Souls Remake and Ratchet and Clank: RA.

With the amazing 3rd party exclusives (only Xbox/Switch/PC only owners care that they were money hatted) that have been released, this is far from the worst PlayStation generation.

The above said, it’s pretty obvious that Jim Ryan screwed up. Too much invested in GaaS, too much invested in PS4 remakes, not enough invested in smaller titles that evened out the release schedule. The dude was clueless about what PlayStation fans were interested in.

 

[SHA]

Bad comparison.

Silent Hill (1999), Silent Hill 2 (2001), Silent Hill 3 (2003) and Silent Hill 4: The Room (2004) were released in the span of five years, with that half-a-decade also encompassing the entire development cycles of the three Team Silent-developed sequels. That was all across the PS1 and PS2.

On the other hand, it took Bloober Team five whole years to develop the Silent Hill 2 remake for the PS5.

So you can't really compare these things from a quantity standpoint.

That's perfect for grown-ups who started young from the ps1, I beated the original metal gear solid and thought it's the biggest game I've ever played cause I was young at the same time it's a different time.

 

[Romulus]

Ps1 100+ games I liked
PS2 200+ games I liked
Ps3 80+ games I liked
Ps4 200+ games I liked

The PS5 I could count 5 serious exclusives and 10 + 3rd party games, it's not over yet but we surely live in an age where missing anything worthy is not an option.

Kinda makes me wish I would have waited to get ps6 and play the few ps5 exclusives backwards compatible. But then again I have enjoyed psvr2 somewhat. I just had no idea this would be similar to the ps3 in terms of exclusives.

 

[SHA]

There's nothing different between Tools of Destruction, A Crack In Time, MotorStorm 1, LittleBigPlanet 1, Infamous 1-2, Resistance 1-3 and Rise of the Ronin/Stellar Blade.
All games developed by studios not owned by Sony.

Cause there's bloody Kratos in Sony's headquarters.

 

[nial]

Cause there's bloody Kratos in Sony's headquarters.

I don't get it.

 

[AJUMP23]

I have played 3 games on my ps5 they were good but overall nothing special.